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Who are you pulling for in finals?

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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#1321 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:58 pm

GoodBehavior wrote:I think the rumors are real. There are too many sources (Woj, Jake Fischer, Stein, Bill Simmons), and these rumors have been circulating since last season's tradeline. I don't think Ayton's agent is spreading it, that doesn't seem to be their MO nor Ayton for that matter. Ayton seems to have grown very professionally since his rookie year.

Half of the rumors aren't even pro-Ayton, I would say half of the rumor indicates the Suns don't want Ayton long term. I can't imagine a smart agent would put that kind of info.

I think the Suns' organization do want Ayton. Jones and Sarver have come out in his support. But Monty doesn't. And that's pretty much the end of that. I think the Suns are going to come out of a potential deal as a real loser. I think Monty, more or less, is forcing an Ayton trade and teams know that and will take advantage. I really, really hope I am wrong but that seems to be the general feeling.


I think the Suns would rather not pay the max and would love to get him for less, and have considered looking into trading him for a quality C that makes less, though they didn't pull the trigger and it would have been better to trade him before this summer if they could, but they probably felt since he was playing so well and the team was doing so well they had a better chance with him. I do think Ayton wants to be in Phx though given all of his comments over time, his closeness to teammates, being in Phx for awhile, and I thought him and Monty originally had a decent relationship...kind of maybe a tough love one where he challenged him, but who knows.

I think it's possible had we never traded for Paul, we wouldn't even be thinking of trading Ayton or possibly having extended him, and if that's the case, that should have no relevance given Paul won't be here too much longer and we shouldn't destroy our young core for pieces, barring getting a star but that would take picks and Ayton or Bridges along with filler, so would hurt depth and future and we wouldn't know how the fit was. If it was KD for example, he's obviously very injury prone at this point too, so you're just banking on him being healthy.

I am not sure I even see Brooklyn trading him though unless it's for another star, given he extended for 4 years. It's very rare a player like that gets traded.
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#1322 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:08 am

Monty has a lot on his plate as a HC. Managing egos and the player's personal ambitions are a massive but often overlooked part of head coaching. Regarding Monty and Aytons' relationship, I don't think he's Monty's or JJ's ideal kinda player but I don't think they have a bad relationship. I do think Monty has and (should we resign him) will continue to nurture Ayton's potential because a better Ayton is a better Sun's team. In the same way, while I don't think CP3 and Ayton had a good relationship to begin with, I think over time they've become good team mates and knows where each other stands in terms of their goals.

The biggest obstacle is not whether Monty like Ayton or if Ayton likes Monty but whether Ayton is able to show continued and sustained focus game in and game out because that's what separates him from an average C and an elite C. Monty isn't an idiot, he's not going to reward someone who doesn't give 100% but he also won't bench someone for no reason either, especially if that player can help the team win. Ayton's focus and engagement is 100% in his control
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Post#1323 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:45 am

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Post#1324 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:25 am

Ridiculous. Boston has had an amazing run AND they are young. I doubt they go bust things up because of this though like the Suns may.

Get ready for a bunch of threads on the GB about what Curry's legacy is now and where he ranks all time. I am not big into all time rankings, though I always thought he was more important than KD in GS. His range and gravity is just nuts. Theoretically KD can do more overall and you could certainly argue with good reasoning he's a better player, but Curry just seems to have that IT factor where KD can never get over the hump, despite the talent around him, unless he is playing with Curry and this team who was in the finals often without him (and breaking the all time wins record).

Makes you wonder about that trade for Curry Kerr tried to make back in the day that fell through. Where would be right now if we had gotten Curry?
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Post#1325 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:34 am

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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#1326 » by darealjuice » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:40 am

Great season for the Celtics. They'll be returning their entire rotation next year, plus they'll have a chance at getting a bit deep this offseason. The East will be another tough fight next year, they'll be hungry though.

Warriors fans have to feel on top of the world. 3 top 10 picks that aren't even playing yet, owners that will definitely break the bank to keep their team together, and they just won a championship pretty handily. They're basically championship contenders as long as Steph stays continues playing at this level. Frustrating as a Suns fan, unfortunately I don't think we'd have fared much better against them.
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#1327 » by thamadkant » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:57 am

Celtics choked. That is the difference between good players and championship players. Championship players aren't phased by the pressure but instead shrugs it off and sees it ad a challenge rather than an obstacle.

Experience is the biggest factor in not choking... unless the players simply have a mental weakness that leaders and coaches can't breach.


Warriors have Green as their vocal leader and he is without a doubt Warriors co-MVP no matter how good Curry shoots. Green may put up triple singles but it's his leadership and no nonsense attitude is what makes him invaluable.

Wiggins is playing much closer to his potential both ends because of Green.


Suns don't have a player like Green... sadly.
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Post#1328 » by Jdiddy701 » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:44 am

thamadkant wrote:Celtics choked. That is the difference between good players and championship players. Championship players aren't phased by the pressure but instead shrugs it off and sees it ad a challenge rather than an obstacle.

Experience is the biggest factor in not choking... unless the players simply have a mental weakness that leaders and coaches can't breach.


Warriors have Green as their vocal leader and he is without a doubt Warriors co-MVP no matter how good Curry shoots. Green may put up triple singles but it's his leadership and no nonsense attitude is what makes him invaluable.

Wiggins is playing much closer to his potential both ends because of Green.


Suns don't have a player like Green... sadly.

As much as people dislike Jae Crowder, he’s the closest player we have to Draymond. I think losing Crowder would be a huge loss for the Suns if they were to trade him in the offseason.

It hurt watching the last two rounds. I don’t care what the result shows, Suns should have won back to back years. All we needed was an average Chris Paul type of performance against Dallas in the entire series and I like our chances vs Warriors and Boston. What a shame.


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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#1329 » by DirtyDez » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:48 am

Congrats to the long suffering Warriors fans since 2018. They really deserve it after 3 years of hardship.
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Post#1330 » by thamadkant » Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:36 am

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thamadkant wrote:Celtics choked. That is the difference between good players and championship players. Championship players aren't phased by the pressure but instead shrugs it off and sees it ad a challenge rather than an obstacle.

Experience is the biggest factor in not choking... unless the players simply have a mental weakness that leaders and coaches can't breach.


Warriors have Green as their vocal leader and he is without a doubt Warriors co-MVP no matter how good Curry shoots. Green may put up triple singles but it's his leadership and no nonsense attitude is what makes him invaluable.

Wiggins is playing much closer to his potential both ends because of Green.


Suns don't have a player like Green... sadly.

As much as people dislike Jae Crowder, he’s the closest player we have to Draymond. I think losing Crowder would be a huge loss for the Suns if they were to trade him in the offseason.

It hurt watching the last two rounds. I don’t care what the result shows, Suns should have won back to back years. All we needed was an average Chris Paul type of performance against Dallas in the entire series and I like our chances vs Warriors and Boston. What a shame.


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Closest in regards to being a strong big forward.

But Green is a star role player in a sense while Crowder is just a key role player.
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Re: Other Playoff Series 

Post#1331 » by thamadkant » Fri Jun 17, 2022 5:38 am

Warriors are going to be paying the highest luxury tax ever.... but wins the championship.

Suns on the other hand...trying to get a cheaper player than Ayton and risking going backwards.

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