Win now trade idea thread (Build around Dame!!)

[Dame Lizard]

I dunno which is worse, overpaying for Collins or overpaying for Grant. Cant help but feel this team is going to do something like that, one of the most pessimistic offseasons I've felt in a while.

At least Collins is in a reasonably long-term contract and is younger.

He has re-trade value if we blow it up. Seeing Grant walk away for nothing or overpaying to retain him would be depressing.

[Dame Lizard]

hard to win when your starting 2 guards are mediocre defenders. it's just not a championship recipe.

I hope pdx realizes this early next year.

I think what'll happen is we'll resign Simons for the long-term and roll the dice, knowing that the same Dame + CJ shortcomings are likely.

When the most likely eventuality of us not being a contender comes to fruition, that'll catalyse a discussion with Dame giving him the option of being traded to a competitor.

At least I feel decent about building around Simons. His PG play last year showed that he could have a future at the position (noting the remarkable improvement which could probably be expected to continue, e.g. as Darius Garland has shown). CJ didn't quite offer that flexibility, as he was always a slightly undersized combo guard.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

I dunno which is worse, overpaying for Collins or overpaying for Grant. Cant help but feel this team is going to do something like that, one of the most pessimistic offseasons I've felt in a while.

At least Collins is in a reasonably long-term contract and is younger.

He has re-trade value if we blow it up. Seeing Grant walk away for nothing or overpaying to retain him would be depressing.

Very true. There is probably a price range I would be willing to pay for Collins that I wouldn't for Grant but in certain regards I think Grant is more likely to add a quality defender to our mix in a more Denver type role so I may prefer him if he also comes at a lower trade price.


If we traded #7, the Milwaukee pick and like Keon or someone, getting both would maybe be the best "win-now" scenario of rumored available players.

[BlazersBroncos]

Doesnt fit w/ 'win now' but if OKC is enamored w/ Ivey / Sharpe and they are there at 7, I wonder how many future FRP they would deal to get up from 12.

Like, could we pass on:

#7

for

#12
Better of DEN / WAS / DET 2023 FRP
Better of HOU / LAC / UTA 2024 FRP

IDK, thats some real capital to move down 5 slots and OKC, if they see Ivey / Sharpe as true building blocks, may be willing to pay this type of price. It would be a real tough move to turn down.

[Case2012]

OKC has so many picks it's insane. They can't use them all so it makes sense to squeeze as many as you can out of them to move up. I would do that in a second. The players in interested in trading for aren't worth 7. However, some combo of 12, Milwaukee first, and a few more firsts plus bledsoe and our tpe's could really fill out the roster. I think you could get Grant and Turner for those. Then we sign an Otto Porter or TJ Warren with the Mle and we look pretty nice.

Dame/ Dunn
Ant/ Hart
Warren/Nas
Grant/Winslow
Turner/Eubanks

I think Ant makes way more sense in the second unit but I don't see it happening. Still though, pretty good balance of offense and defense.

[Case2012]

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Praying Portland isn't in this. Cronin has gotten bent over on every trade so far, I hope you to God he isn't sending the 7 to Utah for Collins unless the 16 comes back. I fear the worst.

[Norm2953]

I'd like the trade down to 12 move with OKC as well. Unlikely they could get two future FRP but
the better of a 2023/24 pick would be a solid incentive in a trade down.

[BlazersBroncos]

OKC has so many picks it's insane. They can't use them all so it makes sense to squeeze as many as you can out of them to move up. I would do that in a second. The players in interested in trading for aren't worth 7. However, some combo of 12, Milwaukee first, and a few more firsts plus bledsoe and our tpe's could really fill out the roster. I think you could get Grant and Turner for those. Then we sign an Otto Porter or TJ Warren with the Mle and we look pretty nice.

Dame/ Dunn
Ant/ Hart
Warren/Nas
Grant/Winslow
Turner/Eubanks

I think Ant makes way more sense in the second unit but I don't see it happening. Still though, pretty good balance of offense and defense.

I would use #12 for a win-now and sit on the 2 OKC FRP + MIL25 FRP for the inevitable true rebuild. Something that balances the (IMO false) build-around-Dame hope and keeps us stockpiled for the future.

#7 for #12, 2 Future FRP from OKC
Bledsoe, #12 for Grant
TPE for Anderson in S&T
TPE, 36 for Romeo, 25

G - Damian Lillard / Anfernee Simons / Kris Dunn
G - Anfernee Simons / Josh Hart / Keon Johnson / Romeo Langford
F - Kyle Anderson / Nas Little / Kendall Brown (25)
F - Jerami Grant / Justice Winslow / Greg Brown
C - Jusuf Nurkic / Drew Eubanks / Trendon Watford

+
Higher of DEN / WAS / DET 2023 FRP
Higher of HOU / LAC / UTA 2024 FRP
2025 MIL FRP

Big fan of that balance between win-now and win-later.

[Case2012]

That’s Olshey in a nutshell and how we got in this position in the first place.

[BlazersBroncos]

How? Olshey was dumping FRPs for role players, I think we should avoid that. And moving numerous future FRPs for a guy like Turner who is a marginal upgrade to Nurkic is more Neil'ish than stockpiling future picks.

Another interesting idea proposed on the T&T board is using OKC to create a large TPE, which would be more attractive to teams looking to move a starter w/o taking back money, IE:

Bledose, Winslow, Didi, 7 for TPE, 12, DEN 2023 FRP, UTA 2024 FRP

Creates a TPE for 25.34M, which may be more attractive to a team than paying the ECs of Eric/Winslow - then again when using TPE you cant take a dollar over the TPE amount while using EC there is a 25% cushion.

TPE 25.34M
TPE 20.86M
#12
DEN 2023 FRP (1-14 Protected)
UTA 2024 FRP (1-10 Protected)
MIL 2025 FRP (1-4 Protected)

[DeBlazerRiddem]

How? Olshey was dumping FRPs for role players, I think we should avoid that. And moving numerous future FRPs for a guy like Turner who is a marginal upgrade to Nurkic is more Neil'ish than stockpiling future picks.

Another interesting idea proposed on the T&T board is using OKC to create a large TPE, which would be more attractive to teams looking to move a starter w/o taking back money, IE:

Bledose, Winslow, Didi, 7 for TPE, 12, DEN 2023 FRP, UTA 2024 FRP

Creates a TPE for 25.34M, which may be more attractive to a team than paying the ECs of Eric/Winslow - then again when using TPE you cant take a dollar over the TPE amount while using EC there is a 25% cushion.

TPE 25.34M
TPE 20.86M
#12
DEN 2023 FRP (1-14 Protected)
UTA 2024 FRP (1-10 Protected)
MIL 2025 FRP (1-4 Protected)

I believe you would end up with 3 smaller TPE's from that, not one large one.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

How? Olshey was dumping FRPs for role players, I think we should avoid that. And moving numerous future FRPs for a guy like Turner who is a marginal upgrade to Nurkic is more Neil'ish than stockpiling future picks.

Another interesting idea proposed on the T&T board is using OKC to create a large TPE, which would be more attractive to teams looking to move a starter w/o taking back money, IE:

Bledose, Winslow, Didi, 7 for TPE, 12, DEN 2023 FRP, UTA 2024 FRP

Creates a TPE for 25.34M, which may be more attractive to a team than paying the ECs of Eric/Winslow - then again when using TPE you cant take a dollar over the TPE amount while using EC there is a 25% cushion.

TPE 25.34M
TPE 20.86M
#12
DEN 2023 FRP (1-14 Protected)
UTA 2024 FRP (1-10 Protected)
MIL 2025 FRP (1-4 Protected)

I could be wrong but I thought you would end up with 3 smaller TPE's from that, not one large one?

[Dame Lizard]

Doesnt fit w/ 'win now' but if OKC is enamored w/ Ivey / Sharpe and they are there at 7, I wonder how many future FRP they would deal to get up from 12.

Like, could we pass on:

#7

for

#12
Better of DEN / WAS / DET 2023 FRP
Better of HOU / LAC / UTA 2024 FRP

IDK, thats some real capital to move down 5 slots and OKC, if they see Ivey / Sharpe as true building blocks, may be willing to pay this type of price. It would be a real tough move to turn down.

There's a real chance that a team may fall absolutely head over heels in love with Shaedon. He's a somewhat polarising pick given his lack of games, but has huge upside that could lure someone in.

It could present some tempting offers on Draft day. OKC is a good shout - particularly given his scoring would compliment Giddey's playmaking quite well (and Shai is a very good young PG).

[Dame Lizard]

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Praying Portland isn't in this. Cronin has gotten bent over on every trade so far, I hope you to God he isn't sending the 7 to Utah for Collins unless the 16 comes back. I fear the worst.

I fear worse about Grant and Turner - expiring deals leave a real opportunity for us to have players walkaway for nothing, or walk away being seriously overpaid.

[Blazinaway]

Christian Wood traded to Dallas for 26th pick and a bunch of expirings - good deal for Dallas

[Blazers98]

Christian Wood traded to Dallas for 26th pick and a bunch of expirings - good deal for Dallas

Yes, good for Dallas, my second favorite team, but one more upgrade player we lose out on. He did not go for much so I hope this means we have other irons in the fire that we are getting good value for.

[Case2012]

Hopefully this sets the value for guys like Turner and Grant who are slightly better but similar to Wood.

[Dame Lizard]

Hopefully this sets the value for guys like Turner and Grant who are slightly better but similar to Wood.

Agreed.

[BlazersBroncos]

Dallas got a steal with Wood, but at the same time no one knows if he is a pure empty stat guy or someone who can contribute on a winner, the chicken and the egg question, does Wood end up on bad teams or are teams bad because of Wood.

Either way, he is a perfect fit for the 4 out offense they run and has enough talent to make the gamble worth it for Dallas.

I think Grant and Turner will end up costing 2-3 times as much as Wood.

[Case2012]

The way Cronin trades I wouldn't be surprised if you're right but that speaks more to his negotiation skills than their value.

If we're wrong, your OKC trade would be perfect to grab those guys. That or trading down with Charlotte.

I still think Randle and 11 would be the best move for CJs tpe and the 7. Trade for Turner with the 11th pick/ bledsoe and sign Porter or Warren for the mle.

I guess we'll find out over the next week.