Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect

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Your whole point hinges on the assumption that it was intentional and that’s open for serious debate. Maybe you’re not an innocent until proven guilty guy. Did she file a complaint?

No, the university nipped it in the bud. And I'm not turning this into a criminal prosecution. The incident brings his character into question. Which is why I asked dude if there's bases for his belief of good character. I'm curious to know.

Nope. Once the video started circulating with people hollering about it--not the dancer, mind you--Mathurin said he sent an email to the TCU athletic department attempting to reach the dancer to apologize. And no one responded.

Don't make stuff up, bro.

Not making anything up, bro. Try getting your facts straight before acting like you know what the F you're talking about. Arizona's AD contacted TCU's to try and smooth things over the next day. TCU provided an email address so he could send his apologies through their athletic department.

[Manocad]

No, the university nipped it in the bud. And I'm not turning this into a criminal prosecution. The incident brings his character into question. Which is why I asked dude if there's bases for his belief of good character. I'm curious to know.

Nope. Once the video started circulating with people hollering about it--not the dancer, mind you--Mathurin said he sent an email to the TCU athletic department attempting to reach the dancer to apologize. And no one responded.

Don't make stuff up, bro.

Not making anything up, bro. Try getting your facts straight before acting like you know what the F you're talking about. Arizona's AD contacted TCU's to try and smooth things over the next day. TCU provided an email address so he could send his apologies through their athletic department.

I researched it before I commented so I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Try telling the story factually rather than spinning it to fit your narrative, especially when you want to accuse someone of sexual assault. Wording it as "to try and smooth things over" implies that there was some level of offense taken by the dancer. And that's an outright lie. Don't make stuff up.

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Nope. Once the video started circulating with people hollering about it--not the dancer, mind you--Mathurin said he sent an email to the TCU athletic department attempting to reach the dancer to apologize. And no one responded.

Don't make stuff up, bro.

Not making anything up, bro. Try getting your facts straight before acting like you know what the F you're talking about. Arizona's AD contacted TCU's to try and smooth things over the next day. TCU provided an email address so he could send his apologies through their athletic department.

I researched it before I commented so I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Try telling the story factually rather than spinning it to fit your narrative, especially when you want to accuse someone of sexual assault. Wording it as "to try and smooth things over" implies that there was some level of offense taken by the dancer. And that's an outright lie. Don't make stuff up.

You have no idea whether offense was taken by her or not. You're making an assumption based on silence. Trying to smooth things over takes place when the AD of a university reaches out to the other school on behalf of it's athlete. There's no lie there, dimwit.

[Manocad]

Not making anything up, bro. Try getting your facts straight before acting like you know what the F you're talking about. Arizona's AD contacted TCU's to try and smooth things over the next day. TCU provided an email address so he could send his apologies through their athletic department.

I researched it before I commented so I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Try telling the story factually rather than spinning it to fit your narrative, especially when you want to accuse someone of sexual assault. Wording it as "to try and smooth things over" implies that there was some level of offense taken by the dancer. And that's an outright lie. Don't make stuff up.

You have no idea whether offense was taken by her or not. You're making an assumption based on silence. Trying to smooth things over takes place what the AD of a university reaches out to the other school of behalf of it's athlete. There's no lie there, dimwit.

You're making an assumption that there was offense taken, and if none was reported yet you're purporting that there was offense taken, YOU'RE TELLING A LIE. Stop making stuff up.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10030686-arizonas-bennedict-mathurin-tried-to-apologize-after-tcu-cheerleader-video-surfaced

The dancer did not have any visible reaction when Mathurin walked past her.

TCU's athletic department has not made any public comment, nor has the woman.

STFU.

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I researched it before I commented so I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Try telling the story factually rather than spinning it to fit your narrative, especially when you want to accuse someone of sexual assault. Wording it as "to try and smooth things over" implies that there was some level of offense taken by the dancer. And that's an outright lie. Don't make stuff up.

You have no idea whether offense was taken by her or not. You're making an assumption based on silence. Trying to smooth things over takes place what the AD of a university reaches out to the other school of behalf of it's athlete. There's no lie there, dimwit.

You're making an assumption that there was offense taken, and if none was reported yet you're purporting that there was offense taken, YOU'RE TELLING A LIE. Stop making stuff up.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10030686-arizonas-bennedict-mathurin-tried-to-apologize-after-tcu-cheerleader-video-surfaced

The dancer did not have any visible reaction when Mathurin walked past her.

TCU's athletic department has not made any public comment, nor has the woman.

STFU.

You're not as smart as you think you are.

[Manocad]

You have no idea whether offense was taken by her or not. You're making an assumption based on silence. Trying to smooth things over takes place what the AD of a university reaches out to the other school of behalf of it's athlete. There's no lie there, dimwit.

You're making an assumption that there was offense taken, and if none was reported yet you're purporting that there was offense taken, YOU'RE TELLING A LIE. Stop making stuff up.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10030686-arizonas-bennedict-mathurin-tried-to-apologize-after-tcu-cheerleader-video-surfaced

The dancer did not have any visible reaction when Mathurin walked past her.

TCU's athletic department has not made any public comment, nor has the woman.

STFU.

You're not as smart as you think you are.

This has nothing to do with how smart I think I am. It's reported information vs what you want to believe. Now, if you've got a link to an article showing that the dancer or TCU made an issue of this incident rather than Mathurin reaching out with an attempt to apologize simply due to some sort of "woke" internet outcry, link it or STFU.

This is not difficult. Do the work.

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You're making an assumption that there was offense taken, and if none was reported yet you're purporting that there was offense taken, YOU'RE TELLING A LIE. Stop making stuff up.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10030686-arizonas-bennedict-mathurin-tried-to-apologize-after-tcu-cheerleader-video-surfaced


STFU.

You're not as smart as you think you are.

This has nothing to do with how smart I think I am. It's reported information vs what you want to believe. Now, if you've got a link to an article showing that the dancer or TCU made an issue of this incident rather than Mathurin reaching out with an attempt to apologize simply due to some sort of "woke" internet outcry, link it or STFU.

This is not difficult. Do the work.

I've already explained. If you don't understand, that's your problem. The dancer doesn't have to make an issue out of it for it to be an issue. It's on video. Everyone saw it. Crying STFU isn't going to help you.

[Manocad]

You're not as smart as you think you are.

This has nothing to do with how smart I think I am. It's reported information vs what you want to believe. Now, if you've got a link to an article showing that the dancer or TCU made an issue of this incident rather than Mathurin reaching out with an attempt to apologize simply due to some sort of "woke" internet outcry, link it or STFU.

This is not difficult. Do the work.

I've already explained. If you don't understand, that's your problem. The dancer doesn't have to make an issue out of it for it to be an issue. It's on video. Everyone saw it. Crying STFU isn't going to help you.

It's only an issue for you. Stop making stuff up.

[coolness]

You're making an assumption that there was offense taken, and if none was reported yet you're purporting that there was offense taken, YOU'RE TELLING A LIE. Stop making stuff up.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10030686-arizonas-bennedict-mathurin-tried-to-apologize-after-tcu-cheerleader-video-surfaced


STFU.

You're not as smart as you think you are.

This has nothing to do with how smart I think I am. It's reported information vs what you want to believe. Now, if you've got a link to an article showing that the dancer or TCU made an issue of this incident rather than Mathurin reaching out with an attempt to apologize simply due to some sort of "woke" internet outcry, link it or STFU.

This is not difficult. Do the work.

Man, that was def wrong of Mathurin. I'm trying to be self-aware enough not to simp, and I promise people who know me irl don't consider me woke. If it's what I saw it as, maybe she gets a payment when Mathurin gets that bigboy contract. As an aside, I think people, including the vast majority of women are, in the end, okay with a copped feel if they get a big check out of it. She will have the "power" argument, since cheerleaders are pretty much just hawt civilians and NCAA stars are the reason for the season raking in millions for their schools and being idolized. At least, her lawyer would use the power thing. If a payment happens, then of course we might never hear of it. I can't think of how I'm wrong either, because I think "in between the tits" is a violation. I would only argue that she probably wasn't hurt by it enough to get 200k or something (and for a little emphasis I could totally see her being hurt), but irl, I wouldn't even say that around most people to avoid that conversation. Anyways, tell me HOW I'm wrong if you do though please. And, I'm pretty sure we'd all be pissed as hell if our bystander daughters were touched disrespectfully by the popular kid. LOL, I can't stop talking, but I think this all started with talking about Mathurin's character, and I'm gonna try not to think about that, because I don't know him obvi, and everyone's done bad things. It could totally be an impulse control thing that is perfectly normal for young people like him. He didn't have to plan anything or think anything, but it's still a flaw.

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This has nothing to do with how smart I think I am. It's reported information vs what you want to believe. Now, if you've got a link to an article showing that the dancer or TCU made an issue of this incident rather than Mathurin reaching out with an attempt to apologize simply due to some sort of "woke" internet outcry, link it or STFU.

This is not difficult. Do the work.

I've already explained. If you don't understand, that's your problem. The dancer doesn't have to make an issue out of it for it to be an issue. It's on video. Everyone saw it. Crying STFU isn't going to help you.

It's only an issue for you. Stop making stuff up.

Right, that's why Arizona's AD reached out in the first place. Don't be so obtuse.

[Manocad]

I've already explained. If you don't understand, that's your problem. The dancer doesn't have to make an issue out of it for it to be an issue. It's on video. Everyone saw it. Crying STFU isn't going to help you.

It's only an issue for you. Stop making stuff up.

Right, that's why Arizona's AD reached out in the first place. Don't be so obtuse.

So you've agreed that Arizona's AD reached out and not TCU or the dancer. You just supported my point.

[Manocad]

You're not as smart as you think you are.

This has nothing to do with how smart I think I am. It's reported information vs what you want to believe. Now, if you've got a link to an article showing that the dancer or TCU made an issue of this incident rather than Mathurin reaching out with an attempt to apologize simply due to some sort of "woke" internet outcry, link it or STFU.

This is not difficult. Do the work.

Man, that was def wrong of Mathurin. I'm trying to be self-aware enough not to simp, and I promise people who know me irl don't consider me woke. If it's what I saw it as, maybe she gets a payment when Mathurin gets that bigboy contract. As an aside, I think people, including the vast majority of women are, in the end, okay with a copped feel if they get a big check out of it. She will have the "power" argument, since cheerleaders are pretty much just hawt civilians and NCAA stars are the reason for the season raking in millions for their schools and being idolized. At least, her lawyer would use the power thing. If a payment happens, then of course we might never hear of it. I can't think of how I'm wrong either, because I think "in between the tits" is a violation. I would only argue that she probably wasn't hurt by it enough to get 200k or something (and for a little emphasis I could totally see her being hurt), but irl, I wouldn't even say that around most people to avoid that conversation. Anyways, tell me HOW I'm wrong if you do though please. And, I'm pretty sure we'd all be pissed as hell if our bystander daughters were touched disrespectfully by the popular kid. LOL, I can't stop talking, but I think this all started with talking about Mathurin's character, and I'm gonna try not to think about that, because I don't know him obvi, and everyone's done bad things. It could totally be an impulse control thing that is perfectly normal for young people like him. He didn't have to plan anything or think anything, but it's still a flaw.

You have already made a bigger deal of this than the dancer did.

[dezzie_33]

This is fun, isn't it?

[JerseyJungle]

Hey guys, with the "other" Pistons forum closed, this is my first post of substance here.

and I believe a good character.

Do you have a basis for your belief in his good character? It's not typically an overriding concern of mine. But Mathurin is the kid who copped a feel off the TCU cheerleader while leaving the court during the tournament. Not a 'high character' look.

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I do not have a good basis for my belief, that is why I characterized it as a belief. It has more to do with reviews of him being a hard worker, and not content to just be in the NBA, but to continue to improve. Much like Cade, Bay and Stew.

I had not seen the dancer thing, its a little concerning, It could have been an accident, who knows. I did find this:

After Arizona’s 85–80 victory over TCU on Sunday, a video surfaced on social media showing Arizona star Bennedict Mathurin celebrating the win with his arms spread out, and as he heads back to to the locker room, his left hand approaches a TCU cheerleader’s chest. Mathurin has reached out to apologize to the TCU cheerleader that was involved in the incident.

[whitehops]

just over a week away and i'm more and more settling in on murray being the best fit for us. his hustle, instincts, skill, physicality, etc. give him a pretty darn high floor and he still has a good scoring skill set to build on, working on his dribble could really unlock more ways to his get his good shot off or get to the basket and use his physicality. you can also tell with how he plays that he just wants to win. at iowa he was a pure role player in his freshman year and this past season you could tell, as he was still doing the dirty work while carrying the offensive load with his improved skills.

ivey would be okay as a consolation imo but his relative lack of feel for the game and not-really-natural skills makes me think his ceiling is more victor oladipo than morant, wade or whatever other uber-athletic guard one could compare him to.

[buzzkilloton]

Edwards in todays article seems to be favoring Mathurin. I have him under Sharpe/Ivey/Daniels but I dont hate the idea of taking him as much as say Murray. I think Mathurin might have a tad bit more upside at least he gives us a diff dimension as a athlete that we dont have. Obv hes not Ivey or Sharpe even.

https://theathletic.com/3365005/2022/06/15/pistons-nba-draft-cade-cunningham/

"In all, Mathurin is a great fit. He doesn’t carry the upside of Ivey or Sharpe, but, like Murray, there’s no question in my mind that he’ll be an effective NBA player for a long time. Also, I do think he carries more upside as a self-creator on the offensive end than people give him credit for. In my mind, Mathurin is the perfect blend of the upside of a Sharpe or Ivey and the reliability of a Murray."

[Manocad]

This is fun, isn't it?

It reminds of "woke" white people fighting for the rights of black people who aren't claiming that their rights are being violated.

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It's only an issue for you. Stop making stuff up.

Right, that's why Arizona's AD reached out in the first place. Don't be so obtuse.

So you've agreed that Arizona's AD reached out and not TCU or the dancer. You just supported my point.

Lol. If it makes you feel better to believe that, then have at it. Congratulations.

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This has nothing to do with how smart I think I am. It's reported information vs what you want to believe. Now, if you've got a link to an article showing that the dancer or TCU made an issue of this incident rather than Mathurin reaching out with an attempt to apologize simply due to some sort of "woke" internet outcry, link it or STFU.

This is not difficult. Do the work.

Man, that was def wrong of Mathurin. I'm trying to be self-aware enough not to simp, and I promise people who know me irl don't consider me woke. If it's what I saw it as, maybe she gets a payment when Mathurin gets that bigboy contract. As an aside, I think people, including the vast majority of women are, in the end, okay with a copped feel if they get a big check out of it. She will have the "power" argument, since cheerleaders are pretty much just hawt civilians and NCAA stars are the reason for the season raking in millions for their schools and being idolized. At least, her lawyer would use the power thing. If a payment happens, then of course we might never hear of it. I can't think of how I'm wrong either, because I think "in between the tits" is a violation. I would only argue that she probably wasn't hurt by it enough to get 200k or something (and for a little emphasis I could totally see her being hurt), but irl, I wouldn't even say that around most people to avoid that conversation. Anyways, tell me HOW I'm wrong if you do though please. And, I'm pretty sure we'd all be pissed as hell if our bystander daughters were touched disrespectfully by the popular kid. LOL, I can't stop talking, but I think this all started with talking about Mathurin's character, and I'm gonna try not to think about that, because I don't know him obvi, and everyone's done bad things. It could totally be an impulse control thing that is perfectly normal for young people like him. He didn't have to plan anything or think anything, but it's still a flaw.

You have already made a bigger deal of this than the dancer did.

Okay, you're funny, but I'm just a rambler and I didn't get hurt and she probably was a little bit. If it occurs to her, and that might be unlikely, or if she has a lawyer family friend contact her with a plan, she might make a bigger deal of it than I did. I'm not asking the fella for money. Seriously, I don't wanna be the maudlin dude, but are you saying my "if it happened to our daughter" comment was worth nothing?

[Manocad]

Right, that's why Arizona's AD reached out in the first place. Don't be so obtuse.

So you've agreed that Arizona's AD reached out and not TCU or the dancer. You just supported my point.

Lol. If it makes you feel better to believe that, then have at it. Congratulations.

Like I said, if you don't like the kid's game and think he'd be a reach at 5, just say it. Ain't nobody gonna be mad at ya. You don't need to accuse him of sexual assault. Assuming you're not the dancer, obviously.