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Post#701 » by emunney » Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:47 pm

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He has some functional strength, which is good to see, but he does need to add some weight. I do think his perimeter skills and the spacing in the NBA will help his game a lot more.


He's going to get a lot stronger in a hurry between his age and getting acquainted with professional training. How much less does he weigh than Mobley at USC? Like 10-15 lbs? Probably put that on in a month of deadlifting.
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Post#702 » by soxperry » Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:50 pm

Got some down time at work so i'm just going to take the prospects from that list, 16 to 30, watch a portion of their highlight reel, and offer stream of consciousness feedback from the perspective of someone who has barely paid attention to college basketball or the nba draft process for most of their life.

here we go:

16. Branham: Pull up jumper looks pretty pure, seems to have a balanced array of offensive skills. Not elite athleticism but maybe just enough for the NBA level? Not sure about finishing ability.

Bottom Line: Probably not dropping to 24, but if he is we could use someone with his offensive abilities at SG. Smash.

17. Eason: Holy ****. This guy jumps off the screen. Super athletic. Super long. Plays with attitude. Has that Giannis thing around the rim where it doesn't look like he's in position to be able to dunk but somehow does. 3 point shooting not great but jumped from .241 to .359 in one season. Seems to want to take the big shots. Potential issue: does he see himself as a number 1 option and will it be a problem if he's a role player? Just my intuition, no evidence.

Bottom Line: Still, Double Smash

18. Jalen Williams: Couldn't watch more than a few minutes of highlights. The measurables are there. 6'6" with a 7'2" wingspan, but not very skilled or coordinated. Every shot he made was rolling around the rim before going down. Nothing pure. Unless we think this guy has a Giannis-like work ethic, i dont see it. Swiping Left.

19. Kessler: Okay.. so we've got a 7'1" center who shoots 3s at a 20% clip... Has some post moves. I mean.. I guess if you need a center he's probably high floor as a non shooting big and you cross your fingers that he develops a shot. Still. Pass

20. Wesley: 6'5" wire thin combo guard with great athleticism, shiftiness and energy. Crafty around the rim. The kind of player the Bucks just never have. Jumper not great. I feel like we see these guys in every draft and very few of them develop into playoff rotation players. Still, the upside is intriguing. Perhaps this is what guys like Jordan Poole and Tyrese Maxey looked like in college. There's no way of knowing... All up in my feels on this one, i can't call it.

21. TyTy: Feels like i just watched a poor man's version of Wesley with a slightly better jumper. Lowkey not interested.

22. Chandler: OOOh. Everything is pretty. Has it all EXCEPT for height. 6'0." I like his feel for the game. His stop start, toying with defenders. Didn't get to see his passing ability but if he has that, i'm in. **** it.

23. Hardy: Oh good, another 6'4 guard hitting 30% from 3. This should be fun... Okay, actually, his jumper looks better to me than both Wesley and TyTy. His feet are at least facing the basket and his arms aren't doing wild things. Doesn't seem to be as athletic or explosive as the other two though. Not really beating his man consistently, just pulling up contested. I dont know.. Just feels like at this point in the draft you are always going to sacrifice something. I dont like this game. Oh, he can pass! Interesting. Good defensive instincts too. Alright, i'm In. I think I would actually take him over Wes and TyTy based on the shooting and passing.

24. Jovic: Feels like i'm a run down store and some company is trying to scam me into buying their replica of a name brand item but the name is spelled wrong and the graphics are slightly off. Nikola Jovic? Hahaha.

I dont think i'm equipped to diagnose what i'm seeing with him. Shoots from his chest like Brogdon. We know Bud liked Mirotic, but we also have Bobby now who is a similar but different stretch 4. If we think he has a work ethic and we believe in his ability to shoot in the NBA and become a well rounded player, then a guy that size that can do it all would be very valuable. I would be intrigued if we picked him, but it feels like a project pick. Call me, maybe.

25. Liddell: This is what I'm talking about! 6'7", can shoot, can pass, and although i'm not sure if his on ball defense is actually good or he's just taking advantage of less athletic college players on the catch up blocks, i do like what i'm seeing. If he's there, this is 100% a guy i could see us taking and would be very excited to do so. Draft him and put his locker next to Khris's.

26. Beauchamp: 28% from 3. Cool.

27. Terry: Do you enjoy the length, shooting, playmaking and defense of Liddell? Try new Liddell Light! All the things you love about Liddell, just slightly less impressive! (i'd probably take him)

the bit has gone dry, i can't make it to 30. enough meat on the bones here where i think we could end up with a good player if the trade market can't provide us a proven vet.
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Post#703 » by emunney » Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:51 pm

Wouldn't necessarily call this a trend yet, but it's something to watch and it feels rational.

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Post#704 » by RiotPunch » Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:53 pm

Terry being a less impressive playmaker than Liddell is a new take.
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Post#705 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:14 pm

RiotPunch wrote:Terry being a less impressive playmaker than Liddell is a new take.


And yet I think it may be fair? My one big concern with Terry is that they had him playing a lot more off-ball at Arizona than I originally thought. I kinda liken him to a lengthier George Hill, but that's also why I think his best role is as a secondary play-maker next to a shot-making guard. Kind of like a Shaun Livingston type.

Liddell on the other hand was out there making all kinds of passes in all kinds of situations. High post, low post, pick & roll, initiating at top of the key. I think he's an incredibly underrated passer. Relative to their position, I don't think it's crazy to suggest he's got better court vision/instincts.
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Post#706 » by SupremeHustle » Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:33 pm

Seems like most mocks have us taking Kessler.
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Post#707 » by MVP2110 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:43 pm

SupremeHustle wrote:Seems like most mocks have us taking Kessler.


He makes so much sense for us, I really hope so
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Post#708 » by emunney » Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:52 pm

SupremeHustle wrote:Seems like most mocks have us taking Kessler.


I think just the ringer now. They did for a minute though.

nbadraft.net: Kendall Brown
tankathon: Jaden Hardy
the ringer: Kessler
espn: Nikola Jovic
bleacherreport: Blake Wesley
cbs1 (boone): Caleb Houston
cbs2 (parrish): E.J. Liddell
cbs3 (cobb): Johnny Davis (!!)
yahoo: Liddell
usa today: Jovic
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Post#709 » by msiris » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:04 pm

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SupremeHustle wrote:Seems like most mocks have us taking Kessler.


I think just the ringer now. They did for a minute though.

nbadraft.net: Kendall Brown
tankathon: Jaden Hardy
the ringer: Kessler
espn: Nikola Jovic
bleacherreport: Blake Wesley
cbs1 (boone): Caleb Houston
cbs2 (parrish): E.J. Liddell
cbs3 (cobb): Johnny Davis (!!)
yahoo: Liddell
usa today: Jovic
Liddell and Jovic would be the only ones I care for. The rest are blah. If those two are gone I would move back and get an extra pick. Pick Wendell Moore and a high upside pick in the 2nd. Moore can play right away and for a jr is only 20 years old.
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Post#710 » by jschligs » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:05 pm

Hard pass on Kessler. Can't switch (not that we'd ask him to), 60% FT shooter, not a good mid-range and beyond shooter, easily gets it knocked out of his hands in the post, not great at passing out of the post. I'd much rather take a flier on some of the other guys that will likely be available.
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Post#711 » by machu46 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:11 pm

Hollinger's top 75 is out now with plenty of discussion around his philosophy and how it applies to this year's draft. Always a fun read for me even if I don't necessarily agree with it all.
https://theathletic.com/3365655/2022/06/16/nba-draft-2022-top-75-prospects/

Tier 1:
1. Jabari Smith
2. Paolo Banchero

Tier 2:
3. Jaden Ivey
4. Chet Holmgren

Tier 3:
5. Bennedict Mathurin
6. Shaedon Sharpe
7. Keegan Murray

Tier 4:
8. Jeremy Sochan
9. Dyson Daniels
10. Josh Minott
11. Blake Wesley

Tier 5:
12. Jalen Duren
13. AJ Griffin
14. TyTy Washington
15. Kendall Brown
16. Tari Eason
17. EJ Liddell
18. Dalen Terry
19. Mark Williams
20. Jake LaRavia

Tier 6:
21. Ryan Rollins
22. Wendell Moore
23. Jalen Williams

Tier 7:
24. Ousmane Dieng
25. Malaki Branham
26. Kennedy Chandler
27. Justin Lewis
28. Julian Champagnie

Tier 8:
29. Johnny Davis
30. Trevor Keels
31. Christian Braun
32. Dereon Seabron
33. Gabriele Procida
34. Ochai Agbaji

Tier 9:
35. Nikola Jovic
36. Kenneth Lofton Jr.
37. Walker Kessler
38. Ziga Samar
39.John Butler
40. David Roddy
41. MarJon Beauchamp

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Post#712 » by SupremeHustle » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:17 pm

emunney wrote:
SupremeHustle wrote:Seems like most mocks have us taking Kessler.


I think just the ringer now. They did for a minute though.

nbadraft.net: Kendall Brown
tankathon: Jaden Hardy
the ringer: Kessler
espn: Nikola Jovic
bleacherreport: Blake Wesley
cbs1 (boone): Caleb Houston
cbs2 (parrish): E.J. Liddell
cbs3 (cobb): Johnny Davis (!!)
yahoo: Liddell
usa today: Jovic


I saw this and thought it was "most". I'm not good at math.

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Re: 2022 NBA Draft 

Post#713 » by MVP2110 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:21 pm

I keep coming back to 3 guys. Kessler, Liddell, and Braun. I think all 3 are perfect fits for the Bucks. If we take one of those 3 or trade 24 for a solid win now guy I'll leave draft night pretty damn happy.
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Post#714 » by machu46 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:25 pm

jschligs wrote:Hard pass on Kessler. Can't switch (not that we'd ask him to), 60% FT shooter, not a good mid-range and beyond shooter, easily gets it knocked out of his hands in the post, not great at passing out of the post. I'd much rather take a flier on some of the other guys that will likely be available.


I don't particularly want Kessler, but the argument in favor would be something like (and I'm going to make it as rosy as possible here):

1. His defensive numbers this year were pretty much unprecedented. The only guys that racked up blocks and steals at the rates that he did at his age are your Anthony Davis/Joel Embiid types. And he did that while playing the same type of role that we seemingly want our C to do.

2. He actually moves pretty well considering his size. I don't think switching him onto guards would be ideal by any means, but I think people overestimate the lack of switchability with him. He generally survived pretty well when he did switch at Auburn but certainly had moments where guys were able to blow by.

3. On the Adidas AAU circuit, he shot around 40% from 3 (granted it was only like 20-25 three point attempts). And it's often said that three point attempts is a better barometer for a player's shooting ability than the actual percentages in college and Kessler/his coach were not shy about letting him take 3's (my personal opinion: his shot looks like crap and his free throws are so much worse than the percentages; I don't think there's really any baseline to work with in terms of his shooting, but that's just me).

4. He's a rare college player that actually boxes out and boxes out well; could easily see him being one of those guys like Brook that doesn't necessarily get a lot of rebounds but improves your team rebounding a lot.

5. He just dunks everything, which is why his percentages inside are crazy high. He's big and long enough that he's able to just dunk the ball very quickly/go up for lobs for quickly with minimal effort.

My personal opinion: The offensive fit would be rough for sure, though I don't buy the notion that shooting is an absolute requirement to play with Giannis. I'd rather take my chances on a wing at #24. But if we're going to stick with the drop defense (which seems likely), I think he makes a lot of sense as he could learn from Brook for a year (while helping to manage Brook's load as well) and potentially replace him in the starting lineup the following year.
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Post#715 » by leroyjw10 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:31 pm

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RiotPunch wrote:Terry being a less impressive playmaker than Liddell is a new take.


And yet I think it may be fair? My one big concern with Terry is that they had him playing a lot more off-ball at Arizona than I originally thought. I kinda liken him to a lengthier George Hill, but that's also why I think his best role is as a secondary play-maker next to a shot-making guard. Kind of like a Shaun Livingston type.

Liddell on the other hand was out there making all kinds of passes in all kinds of situations. High post, low post, pick & roll, initiating at top of the key. I think he's an incredibly underrated passer. Relative to their position, I don't think it's crazy to suggest he's got better court vision/instincts.


The more I watch Terry, the more enamored I become. Feels like the perfect glue guy for this team. While his body isn't there yet, he gives off Iggy vibes. His shooting is the biggest question mark, but it seems like he can do everything else at a high level. I could totally see him (eventually) being part of a closing 5.
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Post#716 » by MVP2110 » Thu Jun 16, 2022 3:50 pm

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jschligs wrote:Hard pass on Kessler. Can't switch (not that we'd ask him to), 60% FT shooter, not a good mid-range and beyond shooter, easily gets it knocked out of his hands in the post, not great at passing out of the post. I'd much rather take a flier on some of the other guys that will likely be available.


I don't particularly want Kessler, but the argument in favor would be something like (and I'm going to make it as rosy as possible here):

1. His defensive numbers this year were pretty much unprecedented. The only guys that racked up blocks and steals at the rates that he did at his age are your Anthony Davis/Joel Embiid types. And he did that while playing the same type of role that we seemingly want our C to do.

2. He actually moves pretty well considering his size. I don't think switching him onto guards would be ideal by any means, but I think people overestimate the lack of switchability with him. He generally survived pretty well when he did switch at Auburn but certainly had moments where guys were able to blow by.

3. On the Adidas AAU circuit, he shot around 40% from 3 (granted it was only like 20-25 three point attempts). And it's often said that three point attempts is a better barometer for a player's shooting ability than the actual percentages in college and Kessler/his coach were not shy about letting him take 3's (my personal opinion: his shot looks like crap and his free throws are so much worse than the percentages; I don't think there's really any baseline to work with in terms of his shooting, but that's just me).

4. He's a rare college player that actually boxes out and boxes out well; could easily see him being one of those guys like Brook that doesn't necessarily get a lot of rebounds but improves your team rebounding a lot.

5. He just dunks everything, which is why his percentages inside are crazy high. He's big and long enough that he's able to just dunk the ball very quickly/go up for lobs for quickly with minimal effort.

My personal opinion: The offensive fit would be rough for sure, though I don't buy the notion that shooting is an absolute requirement to play with Giannis. I'd rather take my chances on a wing at #24. But if we're going to stick with the drop defense (which seems likely), I think he makes a lot of sense as he could learn from Brook for a year (while helping to manage Brook's load as well) and potentially replace him in the starting lineup the following year.


His defense is exactly why I want him. The Bucks have been waiting for the last few years to find the long term Brook replacement on defense that will allow Giannis to keep doing what he does on that end. Kessler is that guy. Kessler brings so many of the same things that Brook does and if we have a chance to grab that guy with a late 1st round pick we should absolutely take it. His offense does need work but this is also the same coaching staff that got Robin Lopez & John Henson to become passable 3 point shooters, and guys like Pat Connaughton & Bobby Portis have become snipers under this staff. I believe in our staffs ability to make Kessler a passable shooter and if he does that then he can be our starting center and anchor for a top defense for a very long time
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Post#717 » by midranger » Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:05 pm

I could see Kessler having a Bogut like career trajectory. Like 12/9/1 with 2.5 bpg. Maybe shades of Larry Sanders and Myles Turner as well.
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Post#718 » by Brewhoopfan » Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:12 pm

Walker Kessler's last game was a 79-61 upset loss in the NCAA tournament to Miami.

2 pts, 0-6 from the field, 2 rbd, 2 Blk, 13 Minutes

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Post#719 » by emunney » Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:25 pm

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jschligs wrote:Hard pass on Kessler. Can't switch (not that we'd ask him to), 60% FT shooter, not a good mid-range and beyond shooter, easily gets it knocked out of his hands in the post, not great at passing out of the post. I'd much rather take a flier on some of the other guys that will likely be available.


I don't particularly want Kessler, but the argument in favor would be something like (and I'm going to make it as rosy as possible here):

1. His defensive numbers this year were pretty much unprecedented. The only guys that racked up blocks and steals at the rates that he did at his age are your Anthony Davis/Joel Embiid types. And he did that while playing the same type of role that we seemingly want our C to do.

2. He actually moves pretty well considering his size. I don't think switching him onto guards would be ideal by any means, but I think people overestimate the lack of switchability with him. He generally survived pretty well when he did switch at Auburn but certainly had moments where guys were able to blow by.

3. On the Adidas AAU circuit, he shot around 40% from 3 (granted it was only like 20-25 three point attempts). And it's often said that three point attempts is a better barometer for a player's shooting ability than the actual percentages in college and Kessler/his coach were not shy about letting him take 3's (my personal opinion: his shot looks like crap and his free throws are so much worse than the percentages; I don't think there's really any baseline to work with in terms of his shooting, but that's just me).

4. He's a rare college player that actually boxes out and boxes out well; could easily see him being one of those guys like Brook that doesn't necessarily get a lot of rebounds but improves your team rebounding a lot.

5. He just dunks everything, which is why his percentages inside are crazy high. He's big and long enough that he's able to just dunk the ball very quickly/go up for lobs for quickly with minimal effort.

My personal opinion: The offensive fit would be rough for sure, though I don't buy the notion that shooting is an absolute requirement to play with Giannis. I'd rather take my chances on a wing at #24. But if we're going to stick with the drop defense (which seems likely), I think he makes a lot of sense as he could learn from Brook for a year (while helping to manage Brook's load as well) and potentially replace him in the starting lineup the following year.


I feel like if all we want from our pick is to play ~1000 passable regular season minutes next year, Kessler is right up there. The question in my mind is whether he has what it takes to break out of that small role.
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Post#720 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:35 pm

Kessler isn't nearly the kind of talent that guys like AD, Embiid, or even Bogut were, so the block numbers aren't really all that relevant to me when evaluating his pro prospects.

High end projection: Jakob Poeltl.
Low end projection: Hasheem Thabeet.

If even your high end projection isn't exactly an ideal fit with the roster, I'm not using one of my only 3 first round picks in the next 6 years on you. I don't get the Kessler hype in general, but it's even weirder that so many mocks have him going to us at #24 simply because of the "drop defense" stuff. Because when has Bud ever trotted out a Center who can't shoot next to Giannis? He had Henson and RoLo launching 3's and our other "backup 5's" over the last 4 years have been Portis, Ersan, Boogie, Ibaka, and Mirotic. Bud just doesn't value strictly rim-running Centers next to Giannis, and never has.

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