Top 10 GOAT Ceiling Raisers vs Top 10 GOAT Floor Raisers

[trex_8063]

Hmmm....

Ceiling, I'm probably looking at:

LeBron
Jordan
Duncan
Garnett
Russell
Curry
Bird
Magic
.....then I'm not sure. Could round out the list any two of Shaq, Kareem, Oscar, Dirk, maybe Hakeem [skeptical, though]; maybe Kobe or West.


Floor raising will be some of the same names; something like:

LeBron
Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Robinson
Hakeem
Duncan
Shaq
probably Kobe
idk.....possibly round it out with Garnett again (HM to Chris Paul, Dirk, maybe Durant and Dr. J).


Something like that.

[Lou Fan]

I'm honestly floored at some people putting LBJ as GOAT ceiling raiser. The only possible justification I can see for that is his floor raising is so high it surpasses the ceiling of any other player which to me is an absolutely wild claim. It seems obvious to me that there are better options on most stacked rosters than LeBron.

[dygaction]

Ceiling

LeBron
Kareem
Jordan
Russell
Garnett
Duncan
Hakeem
Shaq
Wilt
Magic

Floor

LeBron
Kareem
Jordan
Russell
Duncan
Hakeem
Wilt
Garnett
Shaq (unknown)
Kobe

Don't think the differences are big enough to move the needle that much, other than moving guys who I have as basically tied (the 5 to 9 big man, Kobe/Magic) a couple placings.

Careee value, obviously.

Will take most of Westbrook, Harden, Luka, Giannis, and Jokic over Kobe and all over Garnett for floor raisers.

[falcolombardi]

Ceiling

LeBron
Kareem
Jordan
Russell
Garnett
Duncan
Hakeem
Shaq
Wilt
Magic

Floor

LeBron
Kareem
Jordan
Russell
Duncan
Hakeem
Wilt
Garnett
Shaq (unknown)
Kobe

Don't think the differences are big enough to move the needle that much, other than moving guys who I have as basically tied (the 5 to 9 big man, Kobe/Magic) a couple placings.

Careee value, obviously.

Will take most of Westbrook, Harden, Luka, Giannis, and Jokic over Kobe and all over Garnett for floor raisers.

garnett is one of the greatest floor raisers ever, look at the 2004 wolves,

he is probably a better floor raiser (remember floor and ceilibg raising is on both halfs of the court) than all those guys except jokic and giannis

[dygaction]

Ceiling

LeBron
Kareem
Jordan
Russell
Garnett
Duncan
Hakeem
Shaq
Wilt
Magic

Floor

LeBron
Kareem
Jordan
Russell
Duncan
Hakeem
Wilt
Garnett
Shaq (unknown)
Kobe

Don't think the differences are big enough to move the needle that much, other than moving guys who I have as basically tied (the 5 to 9 big man, Kobe/Magic) a couple placings.

Careee value, obviously.

Will take most of Westbrook, Harden, Luka, Giannis, and Jokic over Kobe and all over Garnett for floor raisers.

garnett is one of the greatest floor raisers ever, look at the 2004 wolves,

he is probably a better floor raiser (remember floor and ceilibg raising is on both halfs of the court) than all those guys except jokic and giannis

When you have peak/prime Westbrook, Harden, or Luka, you can throw bunch of players around them and they are not likely missing playoffs, no way three years in a row. No way I am taking a player who passed 1st round 1 time in 12 years as one of the best floor raiser. Floor raiser by my definition is you are guaranteed reasonable team success with that player, no matter how bad the team is.

[An Unbiased Fan]

Ceiling

LeBron
Kareem
Jordan
Russell
Garnett
Duncan
Hakeem
Shaq
Wilt
Magic

Floor

LeBron
Kareem
Jordan
Russell
Duncan
Hakeem
Wilt
Garnett
Shaq (unknown)
Kobe

Don't think the differences are big enough to move the needle that much, other than moving guys who I have as basically tied (the 5 to 9 big man, Kobe/Magic) a couple placings.

Careee value, obviously.

Will take most of Westbrook, Harden, Luka, Giannis, and Jokic over Kobe and all over Garnett for floor raisers.

garnett is one of the greatest floor raisers ever, look at the 2004 wolves,

he is probably a better floor raiser (remember floor and ceilibg raising is on both halfs of the court) than all those guys except jokic and giannis

2004 Wolves was a good squad. What happened the next 3 seasons in Minny?

[Jaivl]

Ceiling

LeBron
Kareem
Jordan
Russell
Garnett
Duncan
Hakeem
Shaq
Wilt
Magic

Floor

LeBron
Kareem
Jordan
Russell
Duncan
Hakeem
Wilt
Garnett
Shaq (unknown)
Kobe

Don't think the differences are big enough to move the needle that much, other than moving guys who I have as basically tied (the 5 to 9 big man, Kobe/Magic) a couple placings.

Career value, obviously.

Will take most of Westbrook, Harden, Luka, Giannis, and Jokic over Kobe and all over Garnett for floor raisers.

[jalengreen]

heres a question

say u hypothetically ranked everyone on their floor raising and then on their ceiling raising

who would have the biggest difference in ranking (in either direction)? who most exemplifies being good at one but not the other? (if such a thing exists)

[Lou Fan]

Will take most of Westbrook, Harden, Luka, Giannis, and Jokic over Kobe and all over Garnett for floor raisers.

garnett is one of the greatest floor raisers ever, look at the 2004 wolves,

he is probably a better floor raiser (remember floor and ceilibg raising is on both halfs of the court) than all those guys except jokic and giannis

2004 Wolves was a good squad. What happened the next 3 seasons in Minny?

05 Wolves had a higher SRS and expected W/L than 17 Thunder and KG had a worse cast. Don't see how winning one playoff game makes a guy like Westbrook better at floor raising.

[Lou Fan]

heres a question

say u hypothetically ranked everyone on their floor raising and then on their ceiling raising

who would have the biggest difference in ranking (in either direction)? who most exemplifies being good at one but not the other? (if such a thing exists)

Best ceiling raiser with little floor raising value: Klay Thompson
Best floor raiser with little ceiling raising value: Allen Iverson

[dygaction]

Ceiling

LeBron
Kareem
Jordan
Russell
Garnett
Duncan
Hakeem
Shaq
Wilt
Magic

Floor

LeBron
Kareem
Jordan
Russell
Duncan
Hakeem
Wilt
Garnett
Shaq (unknown)
Kobe

Don't think the differences are big enough to move the needle that much, other than moving guys who I have as basically tied (the 5 to 9 big man, Kobe/Magic) a couple placings.

Career value, obviously.

Will take most of Westbrook, Harden, Luka, Giannis, and Jokic over Kobe and all over Garnett for floor raisers.

KG had 12 years to demonstrate floor raising ability, after joining team it turned to ceiling raising