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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#3041 » by buzzkilloton » Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:29 am

MotownMadness wrote:Maybe Kings will feel a little forced into taking Murray after Ivey publicly announcing he doesn't want to play there.

Murray fits their needs well and might be BPA to them now. Teams will want to trade up for Ivey but if Kings drop past us then they risk not being able to get Murray cause we also like him.


If the feel is that the Kings are going to trade the pick or take Ivey im willing to offer up Grant to move up. I take it we would have to take injury prone Holmes bad contract for a couple seasons. I think its a deal that makes sense for both sides actually.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#3042 » by vic » Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:32 am

This could be the last opportunity to draft a homegrown star under 25 for Cade.

You can get a smart role player any other year. IMO this is the year to get someone athletic and electric to get an unstoppable offensive attack.

I'm hoping we get Sharpe/Ivey and even Ayton if we can do it without a trade.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#3043 » by buzzkilloton » Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:43 am

Hollinger updated his big board today. I am going to post the guys we are looking at in the spoilers if interested. Hes very high on Ivey #3 and Mathurin 5.

https://theathletic.com/3365655/2022/06/16/nba-draft-2022-top-75-prospects/

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3. Jaden Ivey | 6-4 sophomore | SG | Purdue

Ivey is the one player in this draft who is most reminiscent of Ja Morant, with a blast-off first step that sends him rocketing toward the rim. It should be even more effective in the open space of the NBA versus a Purdue approach that was heavily geared toward entering the ball to its two behemoth post players.

Alas, the Morant comparisons break down once we get into the decision-making realm. Ivey barely averaged more assists than turnovers in Big Ten play; his good clips are ridiculous, but there is a lot of head-scratching chaff to work through before you get to that wheat. His shooting is also a question mark, with a below-the-shoulder set shot similar to Morant’s that yielded 32.2 percent from 3 and 73.98 percent from the line in his two years with the Boilermakers. Put simply, Ivey is going to be an offensive skill-development challenge for whatever team picks him, but the upside reward is an All-Star-caliber shot creator from the guard spot.

Defensively it’s a similar story. The physical toolset is there, but the application of those tools is a bit inconsistent. Ivey can get caught upright and blown by at times but doesn’t concede space and can still stay with dribblers. Opponents rarely went at him in isolation, perhaps because of the giant dude waiting in the paint behind him, but also because it didn’t look profitable the few times opponents tried. Ivey can slide his feet and explodes off the floor to challenge shots, sometimes surprising shooters who thought they had themselves a nice pull-up.

He needs the defensive output to be more consistent, especially if he’s juggling a prominent offensive role at the same time. The tape from his freshman year is actually even better, perhaps because less was being asked of him at the other end.

Overall, this is an eye-test call. Ivey’s college track record is wartier than you’d prefer for a pick this high, especially from a sophomore, but nobody else in this draft is in Ivey’s league as an off-the-dribble creative force.

5. Bennedict Mathurin | 6-6 sophomore | SF | Arizona

One can argue it’s a reach to take Mathurin at No. 5, since it’s unlikely he’ll ever be the best player on his team. But because of his positional value and skill set, even his mid-tier scenarios make him a $20 million player in today’s NBA. Few players have more obvious 3-and-D utility than Mathurin, an athletic 6-6 Canadian of Haitian extraction who came through the NBA’s development academy in Mexico City. He’s still evolving into his game, but in two years at Arizona, he shot 38.7 percent from 3 and 78.9 percent from the line.

Mathurin still needs to tighten his handle and improve his feel, factors that could limit him from moving beyond a 3-and-D role at the next level, but his size and plus athleticism give him outs even if he never turns into a ballhandling wizard. Additionally, he doubled his assist rate as a sophomore at Arizona, showing visible progress as an on-ball creator.

Defensively, Mathurin might be more “solid” than true stopper. He’ll get into the ball but is not quite as fluid laterally as you might hope. He also can sit up in his stance at times, permitting blow-bys. More often, he’s able to stay solid and use his size and length to contest late, but he’s rarely an active disruptor on that end.

6. Shaedon Sharpe | 6-6 freshman | SG/SF | Kentucky

Teams have a lot of questions about Sharpe, questions that aren’t going to get answered by seeing him work out against a chair in Chicago at the combine. Why didn’t he play at all for Kentucky this year? How much did that set him back?

While teams comb through background parts and go back through his EYBL tape, the inevitably of the upside scenarios is what’s likely to see him chosen high. He could fail spectacularly, but the bar for this player archetype is pretty low as far as eventual success goes. Sharpe is 6-6 with a 6-11 wingspan and can really shoot; watching him work out on the floor before Kentucky’s NCAA Tournament game, I found it pretty clear he’ll be a viable NBA floor spacer from Day 1.

He’s also athletic enough that he was ranked as the top prospect in the Class of 2023 before reclassifying. How many guys like that, who also had elite shooting ability, have failed? Yes, there are questions about his feel and other, secondary lines of inquiry given that nobody has seen him play top-drawer competition. If he were a center or point guard, I’d have him several places lower. But a 6-6 wing who can shoot? Even if he “fails” in terms of achieving stardom, that still becomes a decent value proposition.

7. Keegan Murray | 6-8 sophomore | SF/PF | Iowa

Murray is probably the most head-scratching player in this draft. On the one hand, he’s a 6-8 forward who put up video-game stats in the Big Ten. Don’t overthink this, right? But on the other hand, he was a much older player (turning 22 in August, he’s the second-oldest player on my list today), and his tape isn’t quite as alluring as his stats. Murray is neither a high-wire athlete nor a knockdown shooter. He’s fine and all — 37.3 percent from 3 and 74.9 percent from the line in two years at Iowa — but it’s his all-around wiles as a scorer that provide his real value.

It’s fair to question how much daylight that part of his game will receive at the NBA level, because he doesn’t create easy separation and isn’t a great distributor.

Defensively, it’s more of the same. His size and length help him get hands on balls, but he’s not some elite stopper out there. He offers some secondary rim protection but didn’t always show great awareness, and his team’s defense was consistently its undoing. Murray has long arms and can slide his feet on the ball, so he should hold up decently enough against wings and fours.

What I get back to is that we’ve seen this movie before with guys like T.J. Warren and Cedric Ceballos — smooth forwards who lacked top-drawer athleticism but had crazy feel for scoring and finding buckets in the flow of the game. The league undervalues guys like this sometimes because they don’t have an easy box to slide into, but I’m pretty confident Murray can be a rotation forward at worst, and the upside is a 20-point scorer.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#3044 » by Canadafan » Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:48 am

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10038962-woj-jaden-ivey-targeted-by-teams-in-trade-calls-with-kings-ahead-of-nba-draft

I'd luv if we could give something minor to move up and grab Ivey.
Also am more interested in saving Grant to get Ayton.
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Post#3045 » by dezzie_33 » Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:48 am

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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#3046 » by Manocad » Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:48 am

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I guess you see a big difference between pick 3 to 5, I don't. Its only around a mil difference. And the risk of getting hurt or not playing well is totally not worth it.

You're disregarding the possibility that he could have played next year, dominated, and gone #1.


Even if he did he wouldn't jump Wemba or Scoot. Lower competition.

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Post#3047 » by The Moose » Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:50 am

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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#3048 » by buzzkilloton » Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:56 am

Canadafan wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10038962-woj-jaden-ivey-targeted-by-teams-in-trade-calls-with-kings-ahead-of-nba-draft

I'd luv if we could give something minor to move up and grab Ivey.
Also am more interested in saving Grant to get Ayton.


We dont have anything else decent to offer TBH. Next up is Bey/Stewart
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Post#3049 » by The Moose » Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:58 am

only trade that really makes sense is Grant/5 for Holmes/4
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#3050 » by buzzkilloton » Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:01 am

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Weaver about to trade Grant and 5 and get us Ivey. Hes a fkn maestro if he does.

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I'm assuming the offer to beat would be 6 and Brogdon from the Pacers. Brogdon is under contract so i guess it depends on who the Kings like. Also if the Kings are in love with Murray they might feel more inclined to stick at 5 and not miss him.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#3051 » by The Moose » Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:16 am

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Weaver about to trade Grant and 5 and get us Ivey. Hes a fkn maestro if he does.

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I'm assuming the offer to beat would be 6 and Brogdon from the Pacers. Brogdon is under contract so i guess it depends on who the Kings like. Also if the Kings are in love with Murray they might feel more inclined to stick at 5 and not miss him.


Yeah this was my theory for why we have so much smoke around Murray. I'm sure we like Keegan, but if we know the Kings do to, it makes sense to give the impression that they can't drop back behind us to get him
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#3052 » by buzzkilloton » Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:35 am

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Weaver about to trade Grant and 5 and get us Ivey. Hes a fkn maestro if he does.

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I'm assuming the offer to beat would be 6 and Brogdon from the Pacers. Brogdon is under contract so i guess it depends on who the Kings like. Also if the Kings are in love with Murray they might feel more inclined to stick at 5 and not miss him.


Yeah this was my theory for why we have so much smoke around Murray. I'm sure we like Keegan, but if we know the Kings do to, it makes sense to give the impression that they can't drop back behind us to get him


Very well could be a meta game play by Weaver. Hes likely smoking a cigar and drinking some bourbon right now while hes watching some Ivey tape.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#3053 » by The Moose » Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:40 am

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Weaver about to trade Grant and 5 and get us Ivey. Hes a fkn maestro if he does.

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I'm assuming the offer to beat would be 6 and Brogdon from the Pacers. Brogdon is under contract so i guess it depends on who the Kings like. Also if the Kings are in love with Murray they might feel more inclined to stick at 5 and not miss him.


Yeah this was my theory for why we have so much smoke around Murray. I'm sure we like Keegan, but if we know the Kings do to, it makes sense to give the impression that they can't drop back behind us to get him


Very well could be a meta game play by Weaver. Hes likely smoking a cigar and drinking some bourbon right now while hes watching some Ivey tape.


I think if the Kings stay where they are though, they'll just end up taking Ivey
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#3054 » by MotownMadness » Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:48 am

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If Portland gets #12 maybe we can get that for Grant?
Assuming we dont use him to trade up
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#3055 » by buzzkilloton » Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:53 am

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Yeah this was my theory for why we have so much smoke around Murray. I'm sure we like Keegan, but if we know the Kings do to, it makes sense to give the impression that they can't drop back behind us to get him


Very well could be a meta game play by Weaver. Hes likely smoking a cigar and drinking some bourbon right now while hes watching some Ivey tape.


I think if the Kings stay where they are though, they'll just end up taking Ivey


I want them to take Murray but expect them to take Ivey. Hes the BAP if nobody offers up extra value take him and trade one of the guards later. Thing is though why do all that if you can move down 1 spot get the guy you need and Grant on top. Kings just want a playoff series that type of roster could do it for them.
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Post#3056 » by buzzkilloton » Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:55 am

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If Portland gets #12 maybe we can get that for Grant?
Assuming we dont use him to trade up


Of course if thats on the table we do it. I think I hold 12 if we could get it and miss Ivey. That said if we did trade it for Ivey I wouldnt be mad or anything.
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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#3057 » by buzzkilloton » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:45 am

Check these highlights from Ivey in Fiba

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Re: Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect 

Post#3058 » by Snakebites » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:56 am

What is the most you’d give up to move to four and get Ivey?

If the Kings like Keegan we are the only team that can offer a pick that is likely to yield him.
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Post#3059 » by zeebneeb » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:06 am

I'm losing my mind about moving up to select Ivey. If the Pistons move up, it better be to the top three to select Chet, or Paolo.

Use Grant, and 5 for Ivey? I need to redo my offseason nightmare post....
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Post#3060 » by buzzkilloton » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:09 am

Snakebites wrote:What is the most you’d give up to move to four and get Ivey?

If the Kings like Keegan we are the only team that can offer a pick that is likely to yield him.


For me Killian+Grant+5. Now if we were talking one of the 3 bigs I'm willing to talk Bey or Stewart in there.

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