The case of Chet Holmgren for the Magic

[fendilim]

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So many questions with this rumor....

1st, it's hard to believe that he doesn't want to be the first pick... and if he doesn't want to be the 1st pick, why is he here today? But it is also hard to believe that him passing on the league heart screening is fake. That would be too easy to confirm/debunk so that is probably true. And for the big reach: if he doesn't want to be here, what is Suggs telling him about the team?

would the NBA even allow him to play without knowing his heart’s condition? That would be a PR nightmare for them.

[Skybox]

I heard Paolo loses something crazy like 10 lbs per game because of his excessive sweating. If Chet lost 10 lbs in a game you'd have to dial 911.

I just wonder if playing 4 games in 6 nights might be too much for him until he gains a little more weight.



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Have you ever seen a husky dude win the Boston Marathon or the Tour de France?

That's a good point.

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There aren’t any 240 lb runners trying to bump them off the track

[yoyojw17]

Not gonna lie... Watching the personalities of Steph, Klay, and dray... You gotta understand how big that strong personality, doggy dog, confidence, drive and desire means to being great. And that's one of the things I loved about Chet.

[Bensational]

Not gonna lie... Watching the personalities of Steph, Klay, and dray... You gotta understand how big that strong personality, doggy dog, confidence, drive and desire means to being great. And that's one of the things I loved about Chet.

Not many people saw that within Steph during his rookie contract. It took the experience of overcoming injuries, some big wins and the growth of his own confidence and unstoppable shot before that happened.

Defensive dawgs are easier to identify (like Smart/Barnes/Suggs). Finding the offensive minded guys who can will themselves to being on fire is rare. I sense that potential within Jabari and his 3pt shot.

[pepe1991]

Not gonna lie... Watching the personalities of Steph, Klay, and dray... You gotta understand how big that strong personality, doggy dog, confidence, drive and desire means to being great. And that's one of the things I loved about Chet.

Not many people saw that within Steph during his rookie contract. It took the experience of overcoming injuries, some big wins and the growth of his own confidence and unstoppable shot before that happened.

Defensive dawgs are easier to identify (like Smart/Barnes/Suggs). Finding the offensive minded guys who can will themselves to being on fire is rare. I sense that potential within Jabari and his 3pt shot.

I will never understand " rookie injuries" and Steph in same context. He had ONE injury in 3rd year.
He played 80 games in rookie year, 74 games in sophmore year, injury year -26 games and last year of contract deal 78 games.

Look at his shooting at college, look at his rookie shooting season. Player who is not feasting on own confidence can't shoot like that.

Curry just isn't barking ( nor does Klay), it's Green who is loud mouth, but silent dogs still bite.


Imo, Curry's biggest leader atribute is fact that he impowers other, lesser players. It comes as no suprise that guys like Igoudala, Bogut, Wiggins, Poole, Otto Porter, Loony even Durant in past had massive seasons with him.
He is player other players enjoy playing with. Something that can't be said for guys like Lebron or even Kobe or Mj for that matter.
Curry could have been 30 ppg scorer every single season if he wanted to be, but despite being the greatest shooter ever, he still doesn't have that "i eat first" mentality. Matter of fact he is most off-ball- superstar ballhandler probably in history.
Fact that guy is easly top 30 of all time and still works his tail off to run without ball says a lot about his will to play basketball in right fashion.

He is anti-Westbrook in that matter. Westbrook even in his best days simply refused to do anything when ball wasn't in his hands, rather just kept staying on perimeter waiting to get ball back. But that's difference between 3 nba championships and 0.

[Bensational]

Not gonna lie... Watching the personalities of Steph, Klay, and dray... You gotta understand how big that strong personality, doggy dog, confidence, drive and desire means to being great. And that's one of the things I loved about Chet.

Not many people saw that within Steph during his rookie contract. It took the experience of overcoming injuries, some big wins and the growth of his own confidence and unstoppable shot before that happened.

Defensive dawgs are easier to identify (like Smart/Barnes/Suggs). Finding the offensive minded guys who can will themselves to being on fire is rare. I sense that potential within Jabari and his 3pt shot.

I will never understand " rookie injuries" and Steph in same context. He had ONE injury in 3rd year.
He played 80 games in rookie year, 74 games in sophmore year, injury year -26 games and last year of contract deal 78 games.

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Curry just isn't barking ( nor does Klay), it's Green who is loud mouth, but silent dogs still bite.

His injury was significant enough to drop him from a max contract to $11M per season on his first extension. It was clearly thought to be a long term concern when that deal was inked. It wasn’t until his 4th season that he emerged as a high volume shooter either, almost doubling his 3pt attempts that year.

Green is like Smart/Beverly - loud and easy to identify as a defensive stopper. That still didn’t get him on the court until Kerr took over. We’re in agreement about Steph and Klay being silent killers, but I think that makes them harder to identify when recruiting and it can take time to show itself. Chet is a similar quiet type, but with obvious fire in his drive. Jabari is so confident with his outside shot they almost all feel like good looks when he lets them fly. Keegan Murray also fits the mould of someone with quiet confidence who reliably executes.

[pepe1991]

Not many people saw that within Steph during his rookie contract. It took the experience of overcoming injuries, some big wins and the growth of his own confidence and unstoppable shot before that happened.

Defensive dawgs are easier to identify (like Smart/Barnes/Suggs). Finding the offensive minded guys who can will themselves to being on fire is rare. I sense that potential within Jabari and his 3pt shot.

I will never understand " rookie injuries" and Steph in same context. He had ONE injury in 3rd year.
He played 80 games in rookie year, 74 games in sophmore year, injury year -26 games and last year of contract deal 78 games.

<snip>

Curry just isn't barking ( nor does Klay), it's Green who is loud mouth, but silent dogs still bite.

His injury was significant enough to drop him from a max contract to $11M per season on his first extension. It was clearly thought to be a long term concern when that deal was inked. It wasn’t until his 4th season that he emerged as a high volume shooter either, almost doubling his 3pt attempts that year.

Green is like Smart/Beverly - loud and easy to identify as a defensive stopper. That still didn’t get him on the court until Kerr took over. We’re in agreement about Steph and Klay being silent killers, but I think that makes them harder to identify when recruiting and it can take time to show itself. Chet is a similar quiet type, but with obvious fire in his drive. Jabari is so confident with his outside shot they almost all feel like good looks when he lets them fly. Keegan Murray also fits the mould of someone with quiet confidence who reliably executes.

Imo front office was just smart and proactive to take adventage of situation.
He signed exstension after 3rd year, not fourth. So they pretty much elected to make him at times top 30 highest player after 3 year, preventing him to outplay that contract and be in position where they have to sign him on max next year.

Opposite of i don't know, Ingram, who wasn't signed after 3 years, in 4th year he blows up to 24 ppg scorer, and Pelicans had to pay him 5 years, $160M full max, instad of bit lower, year earlier.

[drsd]

Has any player ever, in league history, tried to "Force their way to OKC"????

What weird space-alien world does Mr. Holmgren live in?

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[pepe1991]

Has any player ever, in league history, tried to "Force their way to OKC"????

What weird space-alien world does Mr. Holmgren live in?

..

Well this is nothing but internet rumors, but if you are young player you probably want to go to a team that drafted and developed Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka, SGA and many others in 15 years of their existence and only missed playoffs 4 times since 2007-08 , than team that in 11 years went to playoffs- twice and helped ruining incredible amount of picks and didn't draft allstar since you were 2 years old ( born in 2002, Magic drafted Howard in 2004).

In general, if you are born in 2002 or 2003, in your lifetime, at least part of your lifetime you remember ,Magic were always trash.
If you are born in 2003, you started watching basketball around age 8,9, than your first nba finals were - OKC- Heat. You lived through Durant's prime, Westbrook show, Paul George was there, Chris Paul was there, SGA is still there and Presti is still viewed as nba mastermind. So it makes more sense to go there than in lottery pick wasteland that Orlando is , from that perpsective.

Let's not fool ourselfs, since Dwight left Magic menaged to f**ed:
2# pick
4th pick
5th pick
6th pick

and they seems to be in poleposition to sucessfully ruined another 5th pick from 2021.

And in terms of asset menagment, if OKC feels comfortable building around Giddey, Holmgren & SGA ,they have about 5000000 picks to make a trade for superstar.

[drsd]

Not gonna lie... Watching the personalities of Steph, Klay, and dray... You gotta understand how big that strong personality, doggy dog, confidence, drive and desire means to being great. And that's one of the things I loved about Chet.

Not many people saw that within Steph during his rookie contract. It took the experience of overcoming injuries, some big wins and the growth of his own confidence and unstoppable shot before that happened.

Defensive dawgs are easier to identify (like Smart/Barnes/Suggs). Finding the offensive minded guys who can will themselves to being on fire is rare. I sense that potential within Jabari and his 3pt shot.

I will never understand " rookie injuries" and Steph in same context. He had ONE injury in 3rd year.
He played 80 games in rookie year, 74 games in sophmore year, injury year -26 games and last year of contract deal 78 games.

Look at his shooting at college, look at his rookie shooting season. Player who is not feasting on own confidence can't shoot like that.

Curry just isn't barking ( nor does Klay), it's Green who is loud mouth, but silent dogs still bite.


Imo, Curry's biggest leader atribute is fact that he impowers other, lesser players. It comes as no suprise that guys like Igoudala, Bogut, Wiggins, Poole, Otto Porter, Loony even Durant in past had massive seasons with him.
He is player other players enjoy playing with. Something that can't be said for guys like Lebron or even Kobe or Mj for that matter.
Curry could have been 30 ppg scorer every single season if he wanted to be, but despite being the greatest shooter ever, he still doesn't have that "i eat first" mentality. Matter of fact he is most off-ball- superstar ballhandler probably in history.
Fact that guy is easly top 30 of all time and still works his tail off to run without ball says a lot about his will to play basketball in right fashion.

He is anti-Westbrook in that matter. Westbrook even in his best days simply refused to do anything when ball wasn't in his hands, rather just kept staying on perimeter waiting to get ball back. But that's difference between 3 nba championships and 0.

And-2 on every pixel.


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[drsd]

Has any player ever, in league history, tried to "Force their way to OKC"????

What weird space-alien world does Mr. Holmgren live in?

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Well this is nothing but internet rumors, .

I mean this at a more metaphysical level. If you are a young millionaire, do you want to live in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma - which has direct airtravel to almost nowhere and is culturally irrelevant (and is a three-plus hour drive to Dallas), or Orlando Florida which has direct flights to every airport in the world, and has "some" culture. Plus: the drive to Miami is basically the same as the OKC drive to Dallas in time.

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I mean if you look at what the actual information here is, the only info is Chet has not provided his medical info to most teams. Thats it. And thats pretty stock standard for this time of year.

The rest is just speculation, opinion, drama.

[pepe1991]

Has any player ever, in league history, tried to "Force their way to OKC"????

What weird space-alien world does Mr. Holmgren live in?

..

Well this is nothing but internet rumors, .

I mean this at a more metaphysical level. If you are a young millionaire, do you want to live in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma - which has direct airtravel to almost nowhere and is culturally irrelevant (and is a three-plus hour drive to Dallas), or Orlando Florida which has direct flights to every airport in the world, and has "some" culture. Plus: the drive to Miami is basically the same as the OKC drive to Dallas in time.

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They won't "live" there tho, that's like most nba player do nowdays, even if they play on smaller markets, in offseason most of them live in LA or whenever they want. Their scheadule in regular season does not allow them to "live" anywhere but on plane, they just sleep from time to time "home".

But imo, if you are young player you should approach your team situation like a college situation, what do you prefer more? Be in major city because of "buzz" or go to small city where college is elite?

Those guys are young millionaires, but in same time their career tragjectory will be defined in first couple of years, so if their attention is more focused on where they want to go out , well, they will be bounced out very soon ( look Josh Jackson and his partylife and how to go from 4th pick to out of nba in 5 years ).

[pepe1991]

Since we mentioned Steph, this is best quality , to me, about him. During interview tonight he got maaaad at first question what finals MVP means to him. He pretty much said it's 4th championship and team achivment and was very upset that media is trying to make it about him, not Warrors.

[drsd]

Since we mentioned Steph, this is best quality , to me, about him. During interview tonight he got maaaad at first question what finals MVP means to him. He pretty much said it's 4th championship and team achivment and was very upset that media is trying to make it about him, not Warrors.

I don't get the Curry hype: all he does is win Championships. What's the big deal????

Spoiler:

[pepe1991]

Since we mentioned Steph, this is best quality , to me, about him. During interview tonight he got maaaad at first question what finals MVP means to him. He pretty much said it's 4th championship and team achivment and was very upset that media is trying to make it about him, not Warrors.

I don't get the Curry hype: all he does is win Championships. What's the big deal????

Spoiler:

But did he average triple double ?

[drsd]

Since we mentioned Steph, this is best quality , to me, about him. During interview tonight he got maaaad at first question what finals MVP means to him. He pretty much said it's 4th championship and team achivment and was very upset that media is trying to make it about him, not Warrors.

I don't get the Curry hype: all he does is win Championships. What's the big deal????

Spoiler:

But did he average triple double ?

31/5/6 in the finals.

Yeh: what a bum!


Edit: I mean really, he was only party to 10-0 in the 21-0 run that won this game for the Warriors.

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I mean if you look at what the actual information here is, the only info is Chet has not provided his medical info to most teams. Thats it. And thats pretty stock standard for this time of year.

The rest is just speculation, opinion, drama.

Did Chet work out for OKC yet? Or he schedules to work out for OKC and others than Magic?

[tiderulz]

Not gonna lie... Watching the personalities of Steph, Klay, and dray... You gotta understand how big that strong personality, doggy dog, confidence, drive and desire means to being great. And that's one of the things I loved about Chet.

Not many people saw that within Steph during his rookie contract. It took the experience of overcoming injuries, some big wins and the growth of his own confidence and unstoppable shot before that happened.

Defensive dawgs are easier to identify (like Smart/Barnes/Suggs). Finding the offensive minded guys who can will themselves to being on fire is rare. I sense that potential within Jabari and his 3pt shot.

see, i dont see that with Jabari, only because the 3 seems to be the only scoring threat in his arsenal and im not sure how much more of his game can develop. Paolo seems more that offensive guy that can will a basket, because he has so many more ways to score.

I also still like Keegan, who showed he can score from all levels. really want to see what his real height is.