2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pic: Poll added

[Jvaughn]

Watching Horford really makes me want to take a guy like Liddell.

We tried that already. He was traded to Orlando along with 2 lottery picks.

[gobullschi]

I do not understand the love fest for Liddell.

[Jvaughn]

I do not understand the love fest for Liddell.

I'm there with ya. I would be very surprised if he was even a rotational player at the next level. Very underwhelming prospect to me. Which is why I'm going to be pissed when we draft him.

[sco]

The Rockets seems like a decent trade partner for the Bulls. The Bulls could send them White and 18 for 17 and 26.
Jalen Williams and Dominik Barlow would be a solid return.

The flaw there is that White is worth #26.

I'd be happy if we could direct the 34th pick from OKC for Coby.

[Brothaman33]

I do not understand the love fest for Liddell.

I'm there with ya. I would be very surprised if he was even a rotational player at the next level. Very underwhelming prospect to me. Which is why I'm going to be pissed when we draft him.

My main problem with Liddell is size. He was 6'5" and a half barefoot. I think he is just too short, even with a great wingspan. And at 245 lbs, I think he is all the makings of a bad tweener.

[BahamaBull]

The Rockets seems like a decent trade partner for the Bulls. The Bulls could send them White and 18 for 17 and 26.
Jalen Williams and Dominik Barlow would be a solid return.

The flaw there is that White is worth #26.

I'd be happy if we could direct the 34th pick from OKC for Coby.

im impressed how you guys value coby that low...jump one spot at the draft and a 26th pick? id rather keep him...he is our best shooter by far...yes he sucked late in the season but at one time during last season he was our #2 best player. No way I would do that trade.

[TeamMan]

I do not understand the love fest for Liddell.

I'm there with ya. I would be very surprised if he was even a rotational player at the next level. Very underwhelming prospect to me. Which is why I'm going to be pissed when we draft him.

My main problem with Liddell is size. He was 6'5" and a half barefoot. I think he is just too short, even with a great wingspan. And at 245 lbs, I think he is all the makings of a bad tweener.

IMO there are a lot of negatives and positives for Liddell.

But the thing that sticks out is that he shot 37% on 3Ps taking about 4 shots/game. The NBA game is moving more, and more, to stretch-4 power forwards.

And most likely, the player that he'd be replacing on the roster is Javonte Green.

So, Liddell compares very favorably with Green, and gives BD the option of moving P-Will to SF when DDR is out of the game.

IF the Bulls organization doesn't want to go in this direction, then I can see a trade coming, where they package the pick to trade up in the draft.

[Dresden]

I do not understand the love fest for Liddell.

I'm there with ya. I would be very surprised if he was even a rotational player at the next level. Very underwhelming prospect to me. Which is why I'm going to be pissed when we draft him.

My main problem with Liddell is size. He was 6'5" and a half barefoot. I think he is just too short, even with a great wingspan. And at 245 lbs, I think he is all the makings of a bad tweener.

He plays much taller than his height though. If you watch tape on him, he's blocking shots all over the place. 2.6 per game. He's got the best vertical out of any front court player in the draft if I remember correctly. He's strong too- he can score inside, and he has a good 3 point shot. He's intelligent, a hard worker, has all the intangibles you'd want. High motor. Good passer. Honestly I don't see why he isn't projected higher. Draymond Green is only 6'6".

[DuckIII]

Of all the names that could be legitimately available where the Bulls pick, Liddell is the only one I feel strongly about avoiding. His floor and his ceiling are as an 8th guy off the bench who buys you some minutes.

He’s the definition of a safe, uninspired pick who will never bring you anything you can’t get in free agency at a value price.

[gardenofsound]

I'm there with ya. I would be very surprised if he was even a rotational player at the next level. Very underwhelming prospect to me. Which is why I'm going to be pissed when we draft him.

My main problem with Liddell is size. He was 6'5" and a half barefoot. I think he is just too short, even with a great wingspan. And at 245 lbs, I think he is all the makings of a bad tweener.

He plays much taller than his height though. If you watch tape on him, he's blocking shots all over the place. 2.6 per game. He's got the best vertical out of any front court player in the draft if I remember correctly. He's strong too- he can score inside, and he has a good 3 point shot. He's intelligent, a hard worker, has all the intangibles you'd want. High motor. Good passer. Honestly I don't see why he isn't projected higher. Draymond Green is only 6'6".

Is he, defensively, in the Rodman/Draymond mold? Rodman was around 6'6" also. Or even PJ Tucker?

Does he have true DPOY potential as a PF? Because, consider that that means he's got to be as impactful a defender as Giannis.

That just seems... too good to be true.

[Jvaughn]

My main problem with Liddell is size. He was 6'5" and a half barefoot. I think he is just too short, even with a great wingspan. And at 245 lbs, I think he is all the makings of a bad tweener.

He plays much taller than his height though. If you watch tape on him, he's blocking shots all over the place. 2.6 per game. He's got the best vertical out of any front court player in the draft if I remember correctly. He's strong too- he can score inside, and he has a good 3 point shot. He's intelligent, a hard worker, has all the intangibles you'd want. High motor. Good passer. Honestly I don't see why he isn't projected higher. Draymond Green is only 6'6".

Is he, defensively, in the Rodman/Draymond mold? Rodman was around 6'6" also. Or even PJ Tucker?

Does he have true DPOY potential as a PF? Because, consider that that means he's got to be as impactful a defender as Giannis.

That just seems... too good to be true.

He does not have DPOY potential. He's a good defender in college, but he's going to get blown by on the perimeter and bodied in the paint. I'm confidently feel like he'll be someone that you'll have to strategically play. And like Duck said, his ceiling might be spot minute bench player. If he became Grant Williams I'd be pleasantly surprised.

[gobullschi]

Of all the names that could be legitimately available where the Bulls pick, Liddell is the only one I feel strongly about avoiding. His floor and his ceiling are as an 8th guy off the bench who buys you some minutes.

He’s the definition of a safe, uninspired pick who will never bring you anything you can’t get in free agency at a value price.

Exactly. He’s the type of pick Id expect from GarPax.

I prefer to draft high upside talent. Comparing Liddell to Draymond is also absurd. Part of what makes Draymond such an impactful player is his passing ability. Liddell doesn’t have that type of skill set. His ceiling is PJ Tucker.

[Dresden]

We'll see what kind of pro he turns out to be. I am not going to argue against you guys. Just from what I've read about him, and seen on his tape, he looks like he's got a lot of skills, very good on defense, and can also score.

GarPax did not always draft "safe" players either. They took Tyrus Thomas, they took that little guard out of Kentucky, they took Tony Snell (the next Kwahi), they took Jimmy Butler. And one of the safe picks they did take, Bobby Portis, ended up being the 6th man on a championship team.

[TeamMan]

Of all the names that could be legitimately available where the Bulls pick, Liddell is the only one I feel strongly about avoiding. His floor and his ceiling are as an 8th guy off the bench who buys you some minutes.

He’s the definition of a safe, uninspired pick who will never bring you anything you can’t get in free agency at a value price.

Exactly. He’s the type of pick Id expect from GarPax.

I prefer to draft high upside talent. Comparing Liddell to Draymond is also absurd. Part of what makes Draymond such an impactful player is his passing ability. Liddell doesn’t have that type of skill set. His ceiling is PJ Tucker.

Gar/Pax passed on Dramond Green.

They would have went for a freshman to max out the Lux Tax options.

We would never even have DDR.

[Andi Obst]

Of all the names that could be legitimately available where the Bulls pick, Liddell is the only one I feel strongly about avoiding. His floor and his ceiling are as an 8th guy off the bench who buys you some minutes.

He’s the definition of a safe, uninspired pick who will never bring you anything you can’t get in free agency at a value price.

I think the reason Liddell is mocked in our range and the reason I’d be kinda fine with drafting him is that there seem to be so few guys in this draft who seem to have a reasonable path to become more than your 8th guy in your rotation. Very few guys with real upside as high level rotation players IMO. Which is also why I’d be fine with moving the pick in the right deal (if Tari is gone) and why I’m liking some very risky prospects (Wesley and Hardy) more and more.

[gobullschi]

Of all the names that could be legitimately available where the Bulls pick, Liddell is the only one I feel strongly about avoiding. His floor and his ceiling are as an 8th guy off the bench who buys you some minutes.

He’s the definition of a safe, uninspired pick who will never bring you anything you can’t get in free agency at a value price.

I think the reason Liddell is mocked in our range and the reason I’d be kinda fine with drafting him is that there seem to be so few guys in this draft who seem to have a reasonable path to become more than your 8th guy in your rotation. Very few guys with real upside as high level rotation players IMO. Which is also why I’d be fine with moving the pick in the right deal (if Tari is gone) and why I’m liking some very risky prospects (Wesley and Hardy) more and more.

IMO, Liddell is getting mocked to Chicago because the Bulls need a power forward. That’s drafting for need and not BPA.

[Andi Obst]

Of all the names that could be legitimately available where the Bulls pick, Liddell is the only one I feel strongly about avoiding. His floor and his ceiling are as an 8th guy off the bench who buys you some minutes.

He’s the definition of a safe, uninspired pick who will never bring you anything you can’t get in free agency at a value price.

I think the reason Liddell is mocked in our range and the reason I’d be kinda fine with drafting him is that there seem to be so few guys in this draft who seem to have a reasonable path to become more than your 8th guy in your rotation. Very few guys with real upside as high level rotation players IMO. Which is also why I’d be fine with moving the pick in the right deal (if Tari is gone) and why I’m liking some very risky prospects (Wesley and Hardy) more and more.

IMO, Liddell is getting mocked to Chicago because the Bulls need a power forward. That’s drafting for need and not BPA.

Definitely agree that fit plays a role here. Always tempting to overvalue fit in a mock, which is why I’m generally not a fan.

[IWannaGoHIGHER]

Bummed to see Ousmane Dieng keep moving up draft boards. He was my favorite prospect for the Bulls. Really hope he goes to the right situation to develop. Watched a few of those Breakers games, man that dude is a smooth athlete, and at his size. He's main concern is his shot, but his form looks pretty good, pretty quick release, especially at 6'10. Recently turned 19, think he's still growing into his body. If he's got the work ethic/drive, really think he could be a special player.

If he falls to the late lottery, I'm calling some of those teams to see if the 18th plus White is enough to move up 4 or 5 spots.

Other players in our range I'm in a big fan of:
- Jeremy Sochan: five position defender, who's got some good handle, and great feel. Again, shot is a concern. But I'm always willing to bet on a guy whom works hard, and is under 20.
- TyTy Washington: Convinced if he doesn't get hurt, he's a top ten pick. Has some Jalen Brunson in him, and I think can develop into a plus defender, has the want to.
- Kendall Brown: Another Baylor freshman, just flashed athletically watching that team. Another very strong, mature defender for his age. Was efficient on the shots he did take. A project on offense, but I think one well worth a 18th pick.
- MarJon Beauchamp: Anyone else remember the Bulls former savior MarShon Brooks (those old heads on the board might remember)? Defiantly got some shades of his game, big rangy off guard, also the name. But he's a good motor, and some grit to him. He feels like someone Memphis would take.
- Jaylin Williams - Surprised I don't see his name in more first round mocks, so perhaps he's a second round guy. But the dude hustles, and makes winning plays. Really smart defender, has great feet for a guy his size, rebounds well. Show decent and improved shooting form. Think he can develop into a winning role player on a great team.

Of all the names that could be legitimately available where the Bulls pick, Liddell is the only one I feel strongly about avoiding. His floor and his ceiling are as an 8th guy off the bench who buys you some minutes.

He’s the definition of a safe, uninspired pick who will never bring you anything you can’t get in free agency at a value price.

100% agree. The draft (IMO) is about taking swings at guys we projectable tool/roles in the NBA. EJ Liddell's are a dime a dozen in the NBA. Feel similar to guys like Agabji as well. Just don't see very high ceilings for either.

Don't get me wrong, role players are important. But talent wins in the this league, always. Doesn't matter if you have a really strong 8th man off the bench in the playoffs.

[Chi town]

Bummed to see Ousmane Dieng keep moving up draft boards. He was my favorite prospect for the Bulls. Really hope he goes to the right situation to develop. Watched a few of those Breakers games, man that dude is a smooth athlete, and at his size. He's main concern is his shot, but his form looks pretty good, pretty quick release, especially at 6'10. Recently turned 19, think he's still growing into his body. If he's got the work ethic/drive, really think he could be a special player.

If he falls to the late lottery, I'm calling some of those teams to see if the 18th plus White is enough to move up 4 or 5 spots.

Other players in our range I'm in a big fan of:
- Jeremy Sochan: five position defender, who's got some good handle, and great feel. Again, shot is a concern. But I'm always willing to bet on a guy whom works hard, and is under 20.
- TyTy Washington: Convinced if he doesn't get hurt, he's a top ten pick. Has some Jalen Brunson in him, and I think can develop into a plus defender, has the want to.
- Kendall Brown: Another Baylor freshman, just flashed athletically watching that team. Another very strong, mature defender for his age. Was efficient on the shots he did take. A project on offense, but I think one well worth a 18th pick.
- MarJon Beauchamp: Anyone else remember the Bulls former savior MarShon Brooks (those old heads on the board might remember)? Defiantly got some shades of his game, big rangy off guard, also the name. But he's a good motor, and some grit to him. He feels like someone Memphis would take.
- Jaylin Williams - Surprised I don't see his name in more first round mocks, so perhaps he's a second round guy. But the dude hustles, and makes winning plays. Really smart defender, has great feet for a guy his size, rebounds well. Show decent and improved shooting form. Think he can develop into a winning role player on a great team.

Of all the names that could be legitimately available where the Bulls pick, Liddell is the only one I feel strongly about avoiding. His floor and his ceiling are as an 8th guy off the bench who buys you some minutes.

He’s the definition of a safe, uninspired pick who will never bring you anything you can’t get in free agency at a value price.

100% agree. The draft (IMO) is about taking swings at guys we projectable tool/roles in the NBA. EJ Liddell's are a dime a dozen in the NBA. Feel similar to guys like Agabji as well. Just don't see very high ceilings for either.

Don't get me wrong, role players are important. But talent wins in the this league, always. Doesn't matter if you have a really strong 8th man off the bench in the playoffs.

I said months ago that Dieng has the highest ceiling in the draft due to age, skills, and size. His floor isn’t all that high though. He could be out of the league if he doesn’t get stronger and his shot doesn’t develop.

[BigUps]

Big Mark Williams fan myself. Would be ecstatic if we could figure out a way to get him somehow.