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Re: The case of Chet Holmgren for the Magic 

Post#661 » by tiderulz » Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:44 pm

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Not many people saw that within Steph during his rookie contract. It took the experience of overcoming injuries, some big wins and the growth of his own confidence and unstoppable shot before that happened.

Defensive dawgs are easier to identify (like Smart/Barnes/Suggs). Finding the offensive minded guys who can will themselves to being on fire is rare. I sense that potential within Jabari and his 3pt shot.


I will never understand " rookie injuries" and Steph in same context. He had ONE injury in 3rd year.
He played 80 games in rookie year, 74 games in sophmore year, injury year -26 games and last year of contract deal 78 games.

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Curry just isn't barking ( nor does Klay), it's Green who is loud mouth, but silent dogs still bite.


His injury was significant enough to drop him from a max contract to $11M per season on his first extension. It was clearly thought to be a long term concern when that deal was inked. It wasn’t until his 4th season that he emerged as a high volume shooter either, almost doubling his 3pt attempts that year.

Green is like Smart/Beverly - loud and easy to identify as a defensive stopper. That still didn’t get him on the court until Kerr took over. We’re in agreement about Steph and Klay being silent killers, but I think that makes them harder to identify when recruiting and it can take time to show itself. Chet is a similar quiet type, but with obvious fire in his drive. Jabari is so confident with his outside shot they almost all feel like good looks when he lets them fly. Keegan Murray also fits the mould of someone with quiet confidence who reliably executes.

dont forget that they had Monta Ellis who was demanding the ball early in Curry's career. Monta took 22 FGA/game Curry's rookie year and 20 his 2nd year, but was inefficient. Monta was then traded and GS drafted Klay.
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Re: The case of Chet Holmgren for the Magic 

Post#662 » by tiderulz » Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:49 pm

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drsd wrote:Has any player ever, in league history, tried to "Force their way to OKC"????

What weird space-alien world does Mr. Holmgren live in?

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Well this is nothing but internet rumors, .




I mean this at a more metaphysical level. If you are a young millionaire, do you want to live in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma - which has direct airtravel to almost nowhere and is culturally irrelevant (and is a three-plus hour drive to Dallas), or Orlando Florida which has direct flights to every airport in the world, and has "some" culture. Plus: the drive to Miami is basically the same as the OKC drive to Dallas in time.

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as someone who used to fly into OKC a lot, that is just not true. Now, the other stuff, absolutely, but they do have non-stop air travel to a lot of big cities
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Re: The case of Chet Holmgren for the Magic 

Post#663 » by tiderulz » Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:51 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Since we mentioned Steph, this is best quality , to me, about him. During interview tonight he got maaaad at first question what finals MVP means to him. He pretty much said it's 4th championship and team achivment and was very upset that media is trying to make it about him, not Warrors.

no. Curry is one of the most braggart, on-court egotistical players. easily on par with MJ in that. shimmy, point at his ring finger in the middle of the game. big time front runner
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Re: The case of Chet Holmgren for the Magic 

Post#664 » by tiderulz » Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:52 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:Since we mentioned Steph, this is best quality , to me, about him. During interview tonight he got maaaad at first question what finals MVP means to him. He pretty much said it's 4th championship and team achivment and was very upset that media is trying to make it about him, not Warrors.


I don't get the Curry hype: all he does is win Championships. What's the big deal????


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he doesnt do it alone though. he has had some of the best supporting casts.
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Re: The case of Chet Holmgren for the Magic 

Post#665 » by Def Swami » Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:20 pm

I don't know if the Holmgren holding his medicals out story is true. There's so much misinformation out there. If it's not from Woj or Givony, I don't really buy into it. But, if it is true, that would be a dealbreaker for me. That's also how you could end up dropping far in the draft like Michael Porter Jr. It would be a weird decision by him unless the agency is hiding something. I can understand withholding it from certain teams to get to teams you prefer. I can't imagine we'd be one of those teams they'd not give that info.
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Re: The case of Chet Holmgren for the Magic 

Post#666 » by basketballRob » Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:36 pm

Def Swami wrote:I don't know if the Holmgren holding his medicals out story is true. There's so much misinformation out there. If it's not from Woj or Givony, I don't really buy into it. But, if it is true, that would be a dealbreaker for me. That's also how you could end up dropping far in the draft like Michael Porter Jr. It would be a weird decision by him unless the agency is hiding something. I can understand withholding it from certain teams to get to teams you prefer. I can't imagine we'd be one of those teams they'd not give that info.
Have a feeling we might find out today. The locked-on Magic guy said something was going to happen today but he couldn't tell us what it was. He said the same thing the day before Jabari's interview. I think it's going to be a media session with Chet.

Getting the feeling we're picking Chet.
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Re: The case of Chet Holmgren for the Magic 

Post#667 » by 3ddman23 » Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:52 pm

So do we have any official word if chet worked out or not already? If he worked out already for orlando and there is no peep of it that is pretty interesting. Unless of course he is gonna work out today or this weekend.
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Re: The case of Chet Holmgren for the Magic 

Post#668 » by Def Swami » Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:58 pm

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Re: The case of Chet Holmgren for the Magic 

Post#669 » by Xatticus » Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:59 pm

Def Swami wrote:I don't know if the Holmgren holding his medicals out story is true. There's so much misinformation out there. If it's not from Woj or Givony, I don't really buy into it. But, if it is true, that would be a dealbreaker for me. That's also how you could end up dropping far in the draft like Michael Porter Jr. It would be a weird decision by him unless the agency is hiding something. I can understand withholding it from certain teams to get to teams you prefer. I can't imagine we'd be one of those teams they'd not give that info.


It's a non-story to me unless I hear he is withholding his medical information from us.

The tweet:
"I also heard Chet Holmgren has not provided his medical information to teams (at least most of them)...


No ****? He isn't going to provide his medical information to every team. That isn't happening. Just as teams don't give out medical information to other teams for players involved in potential trades until said trades are nearly finalized.

If Chet is trying to steer himself elsewhere, then what the hell is he doing working out for Orlando? This is all much ado about nothing to me.
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Re: The case of Chet Holmgren for the Magic 

Post#670 » by drsd » Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:19 pm

Xatticus wrote:If Chet is trying to steer himself elsewhere, then what the hell is he doing working out for Orlando? This is all much ado about nothing to me.


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The overall #1 will make 28,631,600 over three years, and the overall #2 will make 25,617,400 over three years.

There is no way in friggen heck that a young person "forces" their way to 3M less in salary. Nope.


(( the overall #3 will make 5.6M less than the #1 over these three years, by the way ))
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Re: The case of Chet Holmgren for the Magic 

Post#671 » by drsd » Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:21 pm

tiderulz wrote:
drsd wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Since we mentioned Steph, this is best quality , to me, about him. During interview tonight he got maaaad at first question what finals MVP means to him. He pretty much said it's 4th championship and team achivment and was very upset that media is trying to make it about him, not Warrors.


I don't get the Curry hype: all he does is win Championships. What's the big deal????


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he doesnt do it alone though. he has had some of the best supporting casts.


Wiggins and Poole were outstanding. And Green made his jumpers.

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Re: The case of Chet Holmgren for the Magic 

Post#672 » by Def Swami » Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:22 pm

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Def Swami wrote:I don't know if the Holmgren holding his medicals out story is true. There's so much misinformation out there. If it's not from Woj or Givony, I don't really buy into it. But, if it is true, that would be a dealbreaker for me. That's also how you could end up dropping far in the draft like Michael Porter Jr. It would be a weird decision by him unless the agency is hiding something. I can understand withholding it from certain teams to get to teams you prefer. I can't imagine we'd be one of those teams they'd not give that info.


It's a non-story to me unless I hear he is withholding his medical information from us.

The tweet:
"I also heard Chet Holmgren has not provided his medical information to teams (at least most of them)...


No ****? He isn't going to provide his medical information to every team. That isn't happening. Just as teams don't give out medical information to other teams for players involved in potential trades until said trades are nearly finalized.

If Chet is trying to steer himself elsewhere, then what the hell is he doing working out for Orlando? This is all much ado about nothing to me.

Yah, I can't imagine this is happening. Otherwise he wouldn't spend his week in Orlando and Orlando wouldn't even entertain him.
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Post#673 » by ucfmay2000 » Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:24 pm

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Def Swami wrote:I don't know if the Holmgren holding his medicals out story is true. There's so much misinformation out there. If it's not from Woj or Givony, I don't really buy into it. But, if it is true, that would be a dealbreaker for me. That's also how you could end up dropping far in the draft like Michael Porter Jr. It would be a weird decision by him unless the agency is hiding something. I can understand withholding it from certain teams to get to teams you prefer. I can't imagine we'd be one of those teams they'd not give that info.

Totally agree. I don’t buy in any rumors out there.

It's a non-story to me unless I hear he is withholding his medical information from us.

The tweet:
"I also heard Chet Holmgren has not provided his medical information to teams (at least most of them)...


No ****? He isn't going to provide his medical information to every team. That isn't happening. Just as teams don't give out medical information to other teams for players involved in potential trades until said trades are nearly finalized.

If Chet is trying to steer himself elsewhere, then what the hell is he doing working out for Orlando? This is all much ado about nothing to me.

Yah, I can't imagine this is happening. Otherwise he wouldn't spend his week in Orlando and Orlando wouldn't even entertain him.
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Re: The case of Chet Holmgren for the Magic 

Post#674 » by tiderulz » Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:33 pm

drsd wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
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I don't get the Curry hype: all he does is win Championships. What's the big deal????


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he doesnt do it alone though. he has had some of the best supporting casts.


Wiggins and Poole were outstanding. And Green made his jumpers.

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and prime Klay and Green, and then prime Klay and Green and KD. so yes, Curry has won championships, but he didnt do it alone or completely carry GSW. great player, probably top-20 all time when its all said and done and i wouldnt fight anyone if they pushed for him to be ranked higher. but he didnt win any of his titles alone.
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Post#675 » by thelead » Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:55 pm

The only rumor I care about is him not taking the NBA heart screening. But like I said yesterday, I find that hard to believe. It should be pretty easy for someone to confirm/deny that rumor.
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Post#676 » by Blue_and_Whte » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:02 pm

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Def Swami wrote:I don't know if the Holmgren holding his medicals out story is true. There's so much misinformation out there. If it's not from Woj or Givony, I don't really buy into it. But, if it is true, that would be a dealbreaker for me. That's also how you could end up dropping far in the draft like Michael Porter Jr. It would be a weird decision by him unless the agency is hiding something. I can understand withholding it from certain teams to get to teams you prefer. I can't imagine we'd be one of those teams they'd not give that info.


It's a non-story to me unless I hear he is withholding his medical information from us.

The tweet:
"I also heard Chet Holmgren has not provided his medical information to teams (at least most of them)...


No ****? He isn't going to provide his medical information to every team. That isn't happening. Just as teams don't give out medical information to other teams for players involved in potential trades until said trades are nearly finalized.

If Chet is trying to steer himself elsewhere, then what the hell is he doing working out for Orlando? This is all much ado about nothing to me.

And why should he? A lot of guys do this but Chets so polarizing this very common occurrence is getting blow out of proportion.
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Post#677 » by fendilim » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:15 pm

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Spent longer time than the two hr workout of Jabari.

Please check on Rob.
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Post#678 » by fendilim » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:17 pm

thelead wrote:The only rumor I care about is him not taking the NBA heart screening. But like I said yesterday, I find that hard to believe. It should be pretty easy for someone to confirm/deny that rumor.

I think that is bull. I’m not sure if the NBA would allow it.

And like I said previously, if he wants to play for a certain team, and directing his ship already to that team, that means he has a promise. Would a team even promise if he isnt healthy? Lol
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Post#679 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:23 pm

fendilim wrote:
Def Swami wrote:
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Spent longer time than the two hr workout of Chet.

Please check on Rob.

Jabari also was in town for 3 days.. he was wandering around on instagram live downtown the day after his workout

Rob's going to go bonkers if it's not Smith though
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Re: The case of Chet Holmgren for the Magic 

Post#680 » by CarraT » Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:27 pm

tiderulz wrote:
drsd wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Since we mentioned Steph, this is best quality , to me, about him. During interview tonight he got maaaad at first question what finals MVP means to him. He pretty much said it's 4th championship and team achivment and was very upset that media is trying to make it about him, not Warrors.


I don't get the Curry hype: all he does is win Championships. What's the big deal????


Spoiler:
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he doesnt do it alone though. he has had some of the best supporting casts.


Well, who did?

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