Draft Thread - Kings move up to #4

[OxAndFox]

The chat on D-Lo & KC with James Ham regarding Ivey's camp not wanting him here, it shows there will be pressure put on teams by their representation, ie CAA IMO to move up to #4.
It was a really interesting write-up by Givony. Leading with "The Kings aren't Ivey's preferred destination but have proved willing to take players without the benefit of workouts and medical information in the past"
It's interesting on two fronts. A) he still had Ivey going #4 and B) in the latter part of that, James Ham mentioned Ivey would be meeting (via zoom) next week, as with many of the top players.

Is it something, nothing, or?

[BoogieTime]

The chat on D-Lo & KC with James Ham regarding Ivey's camp not wanting him here, it shows there will be pressure put on teams by their representation, ie CAA IMO to move up to #4.
It was a really interesting write-up by Givony. Leading with "The Kings aren't Ivey's preferred destination but have proved willing to take players without the benefit of workouts and medical information in the past"
It's interesting on two fronts. A) he still had Ivey going #4 and B) in the latter part of that, James Ham mentioned Ivey would be meeting (via zoom) next week, as with many of the top players.

Is it something, nothing, or?

I wouldn't take Givony at face value

First he's been beating the Knicks trading up to take Ivey drum for weeks, and it's just something he can simply infer - make up. I can make up that Houston aren't his preferred destination and be 70% right at least by odds. I doubt he has any inside info.

[OxAndFox]

The chat on D-Lo & KC with James Ham regarding Ivey's camp not wanting him here, it shows there will be pressure put on teams by their representation, ie CAA IMO to move up to #4.
It was a really interesting write-up by Givony. Leading with "The Kings aren't Ivey's preferred destination but have proved willing to take players without the benefit of workouts and medical information in the past"
It's interesting on two fronts. A) he still had Ivey going #4 and B) in the latter part of that, James Ham mentioned Ivey would be meeting (via zoom) next week, as with many of the top players.

Is it something, nothing, or?

I wouldn't take Givony at face value

First he's been beating the Knicks trading up to take Ivey drum for weeks, and it's just something he can simply infer - make up. I can make up that Houston aren't his preferred destination and be 70% right at least by odds. I doubt he has any inside info.

That's fair enough.
It really just screamed of Ivey's agent leaking that he wants Jaden in Detroit, Indiana or OKC. The last one is random, considering the players he put in there were Grant, Turner and Dort.
I don't see what else the Kings would be interested in on top of Dort for OKC to move up from #12, unless there are future picks and Monte has something planned.
I also don't see why the Kings would want expiring contracts in Grant or Turner instead of, in the Pacers case, Duarte/Smith/#6 (Murray) for #4 (Ivey)/Holiday. This is considering you need to match salaries with Turner so that means you're wasting the asset of Holmes.

[BoogieTime]

The chat on D-Lo & KC with James Ham regarding Ivey's camp not wanting him here, it shows there will be pressure put on teams by their representation, ie CAA IMO to move up to #4.
It was a really interesting write-up by Givony. Leading with "The Kings aren't Ivey's preferred destination but have proved willing to take players without the benefit of workouts and medical information in the past"
It's interesting on two fronts. A) he still had Ivey going #4 and B) in the latter part of that, James Ham mentioned Ivey would be meeting (via zoom) next week, as with many of the top players.

Is it something, nothing, or?

I wouldn't take Givony at face value

First he's been beating the Knicks trading up to take Ivey drum for weeks, and it's just something he can simply infer - make up. I can make up that Houston aren't his preferred destination and be 70% right at least by odds. I doubt he has any inside info.

That's fair enough.
It really just screamed of Ivey's agent leaking that he wants Jaden in Detroit, Indiana or OKC. The last one is random, considering the players he put in there were Grant, Turner and Dort.
I don't see what else the Kings would be interested in on top of Dort for OKC to move up from #12, unless there are future picks and Monte has something planned.
I also don't see why the Kings would want expiring contracts in Grant or Turner instead of, in the Pacers case, Duarte/Smith/#6 (Murray) for #4 (Ivey)/Holiday. This is considering you need to match salaries with Turner so that means you're wasting the asset of Holmes.

The Kings didn't care one iota that Davion didn't want to be drafted here last year.

Not only didn't he work out here, but he was pissed on the conference call and couldn't hide his disdain for being drafted here.

I'm not sure if the Kings loved him it would matter, even if Given is right.

I'm still a bit high on Turner, and would be sort of interested in what a defensive coach like Brown could do. Any fit with with Sabonis is going to be cumbersome to some degree given his unusual profile. My hope would be that there would be a wink/extension if that route went down. Ofcourse that would be dependent on not adding another big man with the assets

[BoogieTime]

But let me say, personally, give me the kid that wants to be here, if everything is equal. I'm for trading the pick, as the team is in a win now sphere, and I haven't studied Dyson Daniels game to support him even if the team wasnt in a win now direction other than a passing minute of highlights where I was far more impressed than what I saw with Sharpe, but points that he wants to be here. He was asked where he fit and he said Sacramento and the Spurs

Ofcourse I'm not saying Ivey and Daniels are equal, I haven't studied it

[OxAndFox]

But let me say, personally, give me the kid that wants to be here, if everything is equal. I'm for trading the pick, as the team is in a win now sphere, and I haven't studied Dyson Daniels game to support him even if the team wasnt in a win now direction other than a passing minute of highlights where I was far more impressed than what I saw with Sharpe, but points that he wants to be here. He was asked where he fit and he said Sacramento and the Spurs

Ofcourse I'm not saying Ivey and Daniels are equal, I haven't studied it

Like Hali? haha j/k
I'm probably leaning the other way TBH. Draft the player you want regardless if they want to be here or not. Having said that I agree with you to some extent. I'm for trading the pick too, but it needs to be for a star or budding star, if not just draft Ivey and worst case you have a terrific asset to trade when/if the next big star gets disgruntled during the season.

[SelfishPlayer]

Have they invested in someone playing off Sabonis? I like Barnes but someone has to be protecting the rim, and Harrison can play SF although its questionable his best position. Whats wrong with Murray?

The Kings are bad obviously, but they also aren't very young. They can use the versatility Eason projects to bring. They traded away Haliburton, who they should've kept. The Kings should simply finally invest in the small forward position. Murray is an older prospect that projects as an NBA PF. I don't believe he should be in high lottery consideration.

What have Sabonis and Barnes produced while at the center and PF positions together?

I agree with your logic I think you're spot on. But is Eason a SF tho? His size/length and Offensive game tells me PF.

He is IMO a true SF. A true SF in college can play center, like he has. His offensive game? He can isolate on the perimeter and get to the rim. Remember Tayshaun Prince?

[blind prophet]

But let me say, personally, give me the kid that wants to be here, if everything is equal. I'm for trading the pick, as the team is in a win now sphere, and I haven't studied Dyson Daniels game to support him even if the team wasnt in a win now direction other than a passing minute of highlights where I was far more impressed than what I saw with Sharpe, but points that he wants to be here. He was asked where he fit and he said Sacramento and the Spurs

Ofcourse I'm not saying Ivey and Daniels are equal, I haven't studied it

Like Hali? haha j/k
I'm probably leaning the other way TBH. Draft the player you want regardless if they want to be here or not. Having said that I agree with you to some extent. I'm for trading the pick too, but it needs to be for a star or budding star, if not just draft Ivey and worst case you have a terrific asset to trade when/if the next big star gets disgruntled during the season.

Reminds me of when we traded Billy O for Mitch.

Mitch was upset too lol.

No one wants to come here I'd think. Unless you are in a contract year perhaps and you think playing here would help the cause. Or we over pay for ya like we normally do.

[BoogieTime]

And Keegan said he met and has been in contact with the Kings and would be a good fit here:

Watch on YouTube

starting at the 16 minute mark

I already liked Murray for the safety and the fact this team has options at starting SG, potentially Davion but Donte can rehab to that, and I dont trust Givony at all (he has been spreading Ivey being traded down by the Kings to the Knicks and others for weeks https://heavy.com/sports/new-york-knicks/new-york-knicks-draft-trade-rumors/), but if Ivey is truly saying he doesn't want to be here in actuality while others like Murray and Davis are saying they do, Ivey might be making the decision easier for the staff if they aren't trading the pick. But then I don't see Ivey on another tier than Keegan, and the team might, which means they might not care about Ivey preference

But again, I'm not trusting the rumor Ivey doesn't want to be here as of now

If the Kings aren't trading the pick, and are picking at #4, this might be an unexciting pick if the rumor has any wings at all. But its a big if that they wont be moving the pick in some win now fashion

[BoogieTime]

Dyson of course wants to be here as well, and if the team liked him would be a trade down candidate with the Pacers (and he would be there at 6 most likely , and the Pacers might like Ivey)

Fox
Davion/DDV
Dyson
Sabonis
Turner (extended)

If the team wasnt trading out of this range, which they might as a win now team

I need to find a place for Barnes

[BoogieTime]

And I know that NBAdraft isnt trusted by some, but their newest big board has Chet at 6, and Keegan at 3, so who knows how this draft will shape up anyhoo!

[KF10]

The Kings will need a player that can compliment the Fox & Sabonis pairing. Murray is the best fit & possibly the best player at 4, imo. I'm not too fond of Ivey but I can see this kid blowing up if he works on his weaknesses. The Kings gave McNair a "win-now" mandate. I don't see McNair swing for the fences for Ivey, or Sharpe.

If it isn't Murray, I'm inclined to trade the pick all together.

[OxAndFox]

Dyson of course wants to be here as well, and if the team liked him would be a trade down candidate with the Pacers (and he would be there at 6 most likely , and the Pacers might like Ivey)

Fox
Davion/DDV
Dyson
Sabonis
Turner (extended)

If the team wasnt trading out of this range, which they might as a win now team

I need to find a place for Barnes

That is some terrible, terrible shooting. I like Dyson's game, but the shooting does worry me. His playmaking, size, length and defensive ability are incredibly intriguing though.
Not sure I want to do the Turner/Sabonis thing. Don't we already know it doesn't work? Mike Brown doesn't seem like a coach that will unlock it either.
Having said that, the Kings need talent overall, and Turner is just that and perhaps experience has taught them something?

[Madd Squabbles]

But let me say, personally, give me the kid that wants to be here, if everything is equal. I'm for trading the pick, as the team is in a win now sphere, and I haven't studied Dyson Daniels game to support him even if the team wasnt in a win now direction other than a passing minute of highlights where I was far more impressed than what I saw with Sharpe, but points that he wants to be here. He was asked where he fit and he said Sacramento and the Spurs

Ofcourse I'm not saying Ivey and Daniels are equal, I haven't studied it

I'm a Pels fan. I would love to see the Pels trade up for this pick. Would you consider the following?

Pels get:

Kings pick #4


Kings get:

Pels pick #8

Jaxson Hayes

2 future Pels FRPs (next year's pick can be swapped with the Lakers if Pels choose but I would top 10 protect this pick)

[donkeylips]

the future picks wont mean much to mcnair. he could be fired by the time the picks convey. hayes isnt enough to drop 4 spots for me.

[Madd Squabbles]

the future picks wont mean much to mcnair. he could be fired by the time the picks convey. hayes isnt enough to drop 4 spots for me.

Do you have a reasonable counteroffer?

[codydaze]

the future picks wont mean much to mcnair. he could be fired by the time the picks convey. hayes isnt enough to drop 4 spots for me.

Do you have a reasonable counteroffer?

Hayes doesn't do it either. I would ask for Herb Jones and 8 but Pels probably pass on that.

[Madd Squabbles]

the future picks wont mean much to mcnair. he could be fired by the time the picks convey. hayes isnt enough to drop 4 spots for me.

Do you have a reasonable counteroffer?

Hayes doesn't do it either. I would ask for Herb Jones and 8 but Pels probably pass on that.

I believe Pels would pass as well. Its possible that the Pels would trade Trey Murphy and 8 (although I wouldn't). Would you consider that?

[City of Trees]

Ham says it's a bidding war for #4. He thinks the asking price is #5, Bey, and a future pick for #4. Or #5, an extended Grant, future pick for #4.


He thinks the Kings will get exactly what they want from whichever team they deal with

[blind prophet]

Ham says it's a bidding war for #4. He thinks the asking price is #5, Bey, and a future pick for #4. Or #5, an extended Grant, future pick for #4.


He thinks the Kings will get exactly what they want from whichever team they deal with

Thanks man.

2 things for us.

I guess we will have to wait awhile after our pick because who knows what will happen with trades.

And unfortunately, be prepared to be disappointed. Assume lots of smoke right now.