Jaden Ivey

[Big J]

If he didn't want to go to a small market he'd be saying the same **** to OKC or Orlando, but he's not. He'd happily go to those teams. Sac is just a dumpster fire.

[TyFrekey]

I do think his desire not to be drafted by Sacramento has to do with the Fox and Mitchell, although Sacramento has had its fair share of history playing three guard lineups in the past. They haven't had success, but how many Kings' lineups in the last 15 years have had success? It'll all boil down to Ivey's shooting, in my opinion. As has been discussed, he is strongest moving off the ball and is at best a secondary initiator. Obviously Fox is ball dominant and a lot of offense will flow through Sabonis, but if his shot is solid, he'll feast off of Fox drives and cutting off of Sabonis at the elbow. That, paired with Davion being pretty ball dominant when on the floor, probably means Ivey wouldn't be initiating the offense with the ball in his hands as much as he'd like.

[Big J]

I do think his desire not to be drafted by Sacramento has to do with the Fox and Mitchell, although Sacramento has had its fair share of history playing three guard lineups in the past. They haven't had success, but how many Kings' lineups in the last 15 years have had success? It'll all boil down to Ivey's shooting, in my opinion. As has been discussed, he is strongest moving off the ball and is at best a secondary initiator. Obviously Fox is ball dominant and a lot of offense will flow through Sabonis, but if his shot is solid, he'll feast off of Fox drives and cutting off of Sabonis at the elbow. That, paired with Davion being pretty ball dominant when on the floor, probably means Ivey wouldn't be initiating the offense with the ball in his hands as much as he'd like.

Probably more to do with how you guys did Hali dirty last year.

[whitehops]

ivey has also mentioned he has ties to detroit and indiana. he's from indiana and his mother played in the WNBA and played for detroit one season so he spent time there. his grandfather also played in the NFL for the detroit lions.

not sure if it's specifically because the kings have fox and mitchell since the pacers have haliburton, brogdon, hield and duarte locked up for the next 2+ seasons. with the pistons though there's nothing standing in his way of minutes, he'd probably get 30 MPG off the bat.

[Knicks365247]

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/insider/story/_/id/34089687/2022-nba-mock-draft-first-round-changes-include-lottery-movement



Sounds like Ivey isn’t working out/ speaking to the kings

I would take that as red flag for all small market teams. He is probably asking for a trade after rookie extension.
I would enjoy him droping to #10 because of that attitude but sadly its not happening...

Kobe Bryant refused to play for the Hornets and he turned out OK. I see no reason to knock Ivey for not wanting to go to terrible franchise that is also a bad fit for him.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Kobe's agent said he was only going to play for the LAKERS so do not draft him (even threatening that he might go play in Europe for a little while). Coach Cal with the Nets really liked him, and even SAID SO before the draft on TV, but decided not to draft Kobe because of that threat and took Kerry Kittles instead.

The Hornets selected him with a deal in place for Vlade Divac.

Kobe said many years later that was just his agent being his agent, and that he would have played on MARS if it meant playing in the NBA.

[Dame Lizard]

I would take that as red flag for all small market teams. He is probably asking for a trade after rookie extension.
I would enjoy him droping to #10 because of that attitude but sadly its not happening...

Kobe Bryant refused to play for the Hornets and he turned out OK. I see no reason to knock Ivey for not wanting to go to terrible franchise that is also a bad fit for him.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Kobe's agent said he was only going to play for the LAKERS so do not draft him (even threatening that he might go play in Europe for a little while). Coach Cal with the Nets really liked him, and even SAID SO before the draft on TV, but decided not to draft Kobe because of that threat and took Kerry Kittles instead.

The Hornets selected him with a deal in place for Vlade Divac.

Kobe said many years later that was just his agent being his agent, and that he would have played on MARS if it meant playing in the NBA.

Of course he said that about his agent, but there's a very good chance that he felt that way too.

[The-Power]

not sure if it's specifically because the kings have fox and mitchell since the pacers have haliburton, brogdon, hield and duarte locked up for the next 2+ seasons. with the pistons though there's nothing standing in his way of minutes, he'd probably get 30 MPG off the bat.

Fox and Mitchell are ball-dominant Guards with questionable jumpers and Sabonis is an interior big who needs the ball. That's not even remotely comparable to Indiana. For the guys you mentioned: Haliburton is a pass-first Guard with a great jumper, Brogdon is not in their rebuilding plans, Hield is mostly an off-ball shooter who is not in their rebuilding plans, and Duarte is a complementary shooter/scorer with the occasional on-ball play.

Haliburton – Ivey – Duarte – Jackson – Turner ––– even if no major trades happen, that's a great start for the retooling effort and Ivey fits that line-up perfectly. He has space, he has an athletic big he can hit, he can attack off passes from Haliburton, he can even run the PnR as the ball handler in that line-up, and on defense there is rim protection behind him that allows him to play more aggressively. He's a great fit in Detroit next to Cade as well, so it completely makes sense that he wants to avoid the Kings and be drafted either by the Pacers or the Pistons.

[NYPiston]

If he didn't want to go to a small market he'd be saying the same **** to OKC or Orlando, but he's not. He'd happily go to those teams. Sac is just a dumpster fire.

How is Sacramento a dumpster fire but OKC and Orlando aren't? Hell, I'd classify my Pistons as a dumpster fire too.
It's likely more about role and opportunity, not the Kings as a franchise/market. He probably sees the guard logjam in Sacramento and sees himself in a diminished role compared to Detroit and Indiana where he'll get a bigger role. He also pointed out that he has ties to Detroit and Indianapolis because of his mom and the hometown factor.

If the Kings were smart, they'd draft Ivey and sort the other stuff out later or trade it to the highest bidder. You always take BPA, never draft for current need.

[Big J]

If he didn't want to go to a small market he'd be saying the same **** to OKC or Orlando, but he's not. He'd happily go to those teams. Sac is just a dumpster fire.

How is Sacramento a dumpster fire but OKC and Orlando aren't? Hell, I'd classify my Pistons as a dumpster fire too.
It's likely more about role and opportunity, not the Kings as a franchise/market. He probably sees the guard logjam in Sacramento and sees himself in a diminished role compared to Detroit and Indiana where he'll get a bigger role. He also pointed out that he has ties to Detroit and Indianapolis because of his mom and the hometown factor.

If the Kings were smart, they'd draft Ivey and sort the other stuff out later or trade it to the highest bidder. You always take BPA, never draft for current need.

Bigger role is overrated. You really think that Kuminga or Moody would rather have put up 20 points on a trash Orlando team playing for nothing, or playing meaningful games and winning a championship?

[buzzkilloton]

I would take that as red flag for all small market teams. He is probably asking for a trade after rookie extension.
I would enjoy him droping to #10 because of that attitude but sadly its not happening...

Kobe Bryant refused to play for the Hornets and he turned out OK. I see no reason to knock Ivey for not wanting to go to terrible franchise that is also a bad fit for him.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Kobe's agent said he was only going to play for the LAKERS so do not draft him (even threatening that he might go play in Europe for a little while). Coach Cal with the Nets really liked him, and even SAID SO before the draft on TV, but decided not to draft Kobe because of that threat and took Kerry Kittles instead.

The Hornets selected him with a deal in place for Vlade Divac.

Kobe said many years later that was just his agent being his agent, and that he would have played on MARS if it meant playing in the NBA.

His agent being his agent? The agent is his employee not his boss. Kobe painted it this way make himself sound good.

[Pelon chingon]

If he didn't want to go to a small market he'd be saying the same **** to OKC or Orlando, but he's not. He'd happily go to those teams. Sac is just a dumpster fire.

How is Sacramento a dumpster fire but OKC and Orlando aren't? Hell, I'd classify my Pistons as a dumpster fire too.
It's likely more about role and opportunity, not the Kings as a franchise/market. He probably sees the guard logjam in Sacramento and sees himself in a diminished role compared to Detroit and Indiana where he'll get a bigger role. He also pointed out that he has ties to Detroit and Indianapolis because of his mom and the hometown factor.

If the Kings were smart, they'd draft Ivey and sort the other stuff out later or trade it to the highest bidder. You always take BPA, never draft for current need.

Exactly Kings should simply take Ivey if they aren't trading the pick for an all star.

[NO-KG-AI]

Kobe Bryant refused to play for the Hornets and he turned out OK. I see no reason to knock Ivey for not wanting to go to terrible franchise that is also a bad fit for him.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Kobe's agent said he was only going to play for the LAKERS so do not draft him (even threatening that he might go play in Europe for a little while). Coach Cal with the Nets really liked him, and even SAID SO before the draft on TV, but decided not to draft Kobe because of that threat and took Kerry Kittles instead.

The Hornets selected him with a deal in place for Vlade Divac.

Kobe said many years later that was just his agent being his agent, and that he would have played on MARS if it meant playing in the NBA.

His agent being his agent? The agent is his employee not his boss. Kobe painted it this way make himself sound good.

It doesn’t even matter what he would or wouldn’t have done. Kobe threatened it and it made teams fearful enough to not take him.

[clyde21]

not sure if it's specifically because the kings have fox and mitchell since the pacers have haliburton, brogdon, hield and duarte locked up for the next 2+ seasons. with the pistons though there's nothing standing in his way of minutes, he'd probably get 30 MPG off the bat.

Fox and Mitchell are ball-dominant Guards with questionable jumpers and Sabonis is an interior big who needs the ball. That's not even remotely comparable to Indiana. For the guys you mentioned: Haliburton is a pass-first Guard with a great jumper, Brogdon is not in their rebuilding plans, Hield is mostly an off-ball shooter who is not in their rebuilding plans, and Duarte is a complementary shooter/scorer with the occasional on-ball play.

Haliburton – Ivey – Duarte – Jackson – Turner ––– even if no major trades happen, that's a great start for the retooling effort and Ivey fits that line-up perfectly. He has space, he has an athletic big he can hit, he can attack off passes from Haliburton, he can even run the PnR as the ball handler in that line-up, and on defense there is rim protection behind him that allows him to play more aggressively. He's a great fit in Detroit next to Cade as well, so it completely makes sense that he wants to avoid the Kings and be drafted either by the Pacers or the Pistons.

the beauty of Hali, fits next to everyone.

[Shock Defeat]

If he didn't want to go to a small market he'd be saying the same **** to OKC or Orlando, but he's not. He'd happily go to those teams. Sac is just a dumpster fire.

How is Sacramento a dumpster fire but OKC and Orlando aren't? Hell, I'd classify my Pistons as a dumpster fire too.
It's likely more about role and opportunity, not the Kings as a franchise/market. He probably sees the guard logjam in Sacramento and sees himself in a diminished role compared to Detroit and Indiana where he'll get a bigger role. He also pointed out that he has ties to Detroit and Indianapolis because of his mom and the hometown factor.

If the Kings were smart, they'd draft Ivey and sort the other stuff out later or trade it to the highest bidder. You always take BPA, never draft for current need.

Bigger role is overrated. You really think that Kuminga or Moody would rather have put up 20 points on a trash Orlando team playing for nothing, or playing meaningful games and winning a championship?

Yes. I believe that a rookie would rather be getting playing time than be on the bench while a team wins championships.

[tyguy]

not sure if it's specifically because the kings have fox and mitchell since the pacers have haliburton, brogdon, hield and duarte locked up for the next 2+ seasons. with the pistons though there's nothing standing in his way of minutes, he'd probably get 30 MPG off the bat.

Fox and Mitchell are ball-dominant Guards with questionable jumpers and Sabonis is an interior big who needs the ball. That's not even remotely comparable to Indiana. For the guys you mentioned: Haliburton is a pass-first Guard with a great jumper, Brogdon is not in their rebuilding plans, Hield is mostly an off-ball shooter who is not in their rebuilding plans, and Duarte is a complementary shooter/scorer with the occasional on-ball play.

Haliburton – Ivey – Duarte – Jackson – Turner ––– even if no major trades happen, that's a great start for the retooling effort and Ivey fits that line-up perfectly. He has space, he has an athletic big he can hit, he can attack off passes from Haliburton, he can even run the PnR as the ball handler in that line-up, and on defense there is rim protection behind him that allows him to play more aggressively. He's a great fit in Detroit next to Cade as well, so it completely makes sense that he wants to avoid the Kings and be drafted either by the Pacers or the Pistons.

the beauty of Hali, fits next to everyone.

Except for D’Aaron Fox.

[nynj2k]

I'm a Knicks fan they talking about them trading up with Kings for #4. But any chance this guy goes #1?

[MotownMadness]

I'm a Knicks fan they talking about them trading up with Kings for #4. But any chance this guy goes #1?

He wont go #1, curious though as to what a Knicks package might look like?

[MemphisX]

I'm a Knicks fan they talking about them trading up with Kings for #4. But any chance this guy goes #1?

He wont go #1, curious though as to what a Knicks package might look like?

Kings should be trying to get a lightly protected 2023 pick from one of these bum teams (Top 4ish).

[clyde21]

Fox and Mitchell are ball-dominant Guards with questionable jumpers and Sabonis is an interior big who needs the ball. That's not even remotely comparable to Indiana. For the guys you mentioned: Haliburton is a pass-first Guard with a great jumper, Brogdon is not in their rebuilding plans, Hield is mostly an off-ball shooter who is not in their rebuilding plans, and Duarte is a complementary shooter/scorer with the occasional on-ball play.

Haliburton – Ivey – Duarte – Jackson – Turner ––– even if no major trades happen, that's a great start for the retooling effort and Ivey fits that line-up perfectly. He has space, he has an athletic big he can hit, he can attack off passes from Haliburton, he can even run the PnR as the ball handler in that line-up, and on defense there is rim protection behind him that allows him to play more aggressively. He's a great fit in Detroit next to Cade as well, so it completely makes sense that he wants to avoid the Kings and be drafted either by the Pacers or the Pistons.

the beauty of Hali, fits next to everyone.

Except for D’Aaron Fox.

sounds like a Fox problem

[King Ken]

I definitely believe Ivey will be the 4th overall pick. Just not to SAC. Teams I like to get #4 overall are Indiana and Brooklyn.