Who do you want us to take at #1?

[Dadouv47]

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Interesting...

If that were the case, wouldn’t Paolo be a better fit as a grab and go/initiator option? Draft Duren or Walker with the 12 and the front court is set.

Personally I’d have thought they’d want the ball in the hands of Giddey and SGA more, rather than adding another ball operator. Chet would still be a great fit with them. I just wonder if Chet and Duffy are getting the sense he could slip on draft night and fall to that #3 pick, so they’re just trying to cement a top 2 spot for him?

I really hate Paolo fit in OKC and his lack of defense is gonna be a major problem for us. I think there's a decent chance Presti goes crazy and picks Ivey so Chet to OKC isn't a lock at all if you guys take Jabari (well Paolo is possible too)

[yoyojw17]

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Magic motto... Pace, space, and the shot... Things that Chet can do all of. I'm calling this as smokescreen by someone. And if that's the case.... And we have Chet at the top of our board as well.... I pick him and guess what... OKC can use their draft caption to pry our hands open if the want.... Otherwise he Chet is reliving his old school days on our court with suggs. Lol

[drsd]

I am really enjoying these debates. The discussion on Smith/Banchero/Holmgren, and that none are a roster fit, is wonderful. Orlando was most likely to be drafting at #5, and all our discussion would have been on, should Davis or Mathurin be considered at #5. Might Ivey drop. Etc. That is an elevator-floor drop in discussion quality.

Orlando looks to gain a nice asset that might be more than that. I had not expected that pre-lottery.

[drsd]

Magic motto... Pace, space, and the shot... Things that Chet can do all of. I'

It is also what Banchero and Smith can offer. There is no "bad pick" for management and coach is gonna be happy in training camp, I am sure.

[basketballRob]

Hopefully, Weltman gives us some clues in his Monday press conference.

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[PrimeThyme]

That's not a mock, it's his big board.

What a bizarre rationale for having Chet at 4.

Of all things to attack, he decides to die on the "Chet's defense is overrated hill" and says his offense is trending toward Myles Turner despite not providing evidence of that and despite Chet being a far more skilled/polished offensive player who can score off the dribble.

I suppose having Chet far below the consensus at 4 gets people to click. It did for me. There's a reason I only trust a few media draft guys though and Hollinger is not one of them.

[OrlChamps2030]

That's not a mock, it's his big board.

What a bizarre rationale for having Chet at 4.

Of all things to attack, he decides to die on the "Chet's defense is overrated hill" and says his offense is trending toward Myles Turner despite not providing evidence of that and despite Chet being a far more skilled/polished offensive player who can score off the dribble.

I suppose having Chet far below the consensus at 4 gets people to click. It did for me. There's a reason I only trust a few media draft guys though and Hollinger is not one of them.

Tbh, Chet wasn't really scoring off the dribble in the half court at the college level.

[Nyce_1]

Ringer updated MOCK (6/17) with some intel

1. Jabari
I’m still not 100 percent convinced the Magic take Jabari Smith Jr. here, even though all indications are he’ll be the selection. There’s just too much chatter about teams trying to trade for this pick. If the Magic play their cards right, they might be able to land Smith at a lower pick while accumulating additional assets. Sort of like how the Celtics effectively flipped Markelle Fultz for Jayson Tatum back in 2017. Fultz has turned into a solid player with the Magic, but he’s not the best player on a Finals team. Orlando needs that type of player. So for now, Smith is the first choice. The 6-foot-10 forward provides the type of defensive versatility and shotmaking this roster sorely lacks. Even though his ability to create is unproven, he’d be joining a team with ball handlers who need a target now. While he’s thriving off-ball, he can still work on his dribbling to hopefully someday become a player who can run the show late in the fourth quarter. At a minimum, he’s a potential All-Defensive team guy who can shoot over 40 percent from 3. If he improves his handle, he could become one of the league’s best players.

2. Chet
ESPN’s Jonathan Givony reported earlier this week that the Thunder are “aggressively pursuing” trades to move up from the 12th pick to land a second high lottery selection and take Jaden Ivey or Shaedon Sharpe. I have heard the same. It is also worth considering the possibility of another move down. Or what if the goal is to land both Ivey and Sharpe? Oklahoma City could use the second pick to take Ivey and move up from 12th to grab Sharpe. All that said, Holmgren is no lock here. But he keeps the spot in the mock for now since he fills a need in the frontcourt with his rim protection and shot-altering defense. The Thunder already have playmakers in Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Josh Giddey, so Holmgren can feast off their creativity as a spot-up shooter and paint finisher. Holmgren displayed some passing chops of his own at Gonzaga, so he could be utilized as a creator from the perimeter, elbows, and on the short roll. We’ll see what happens. Sam Presti has a lot of options.

3. Paolo
The Rockets traded Christian Wood to the Mavericks earlier this week, so now they have the 26th pick in addition to the third and 17th picks. With three firsts, a bunch of future picks, and youth on the roster, they’ve inquired about moving up into one of the two top spots. Whether they’re targeting Smith, Holmgren, or Banchero, Jalen Green showed during his rookie year that he’s a rising star in need of a running mate. The Rockets’ choice here will help define Green’s path. Banchero is someone who could help him carry the offense since they can both work with or without the ball. Of all the top picks, Banchero is the most ready to get buckets as soon as he steps foot on an NBA floor. But he’s the furthest away from contributing on defense, which raises questions about his frontcourt fit next to Alperen Sengun and his ability to lead a top defense with Green. Drafting Banchero is a bet that he’ll become a leader on offense and good enough on defense.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft/

[PrimeThyme]

Tbh, Chet wasn't really scoring off the dribble in the half court at the college level.

Part of that was by design and his role in offense.

I’m a firm believer that it’s something which is in his skillset, just underutilized by Few in Gonzaga’s system. A lot of the offense ran through Timme, && they were talented enough not to need Chet’s creation of the dribble. He flashed it far more in high school, && I’m convinced that with increased space at the next level the right team will be able to further develop it. The handle is there.

The overall point though is he’s a far more skilled offensive player then Turner, imo.

[yoyojw17]

Tbh, Chet wasn't really scoring off the dribble in the half court at the college level.

Part of that was by design and his role in offense.

I’m a firm believer that it’s something which is in his skillset, just underutilized by Few in Gonzaga’s system. A lot of the offense ran through Timme, && they were talented enough not to need Chet’s creation of the dribble. He flashed it far more in high school, && I’m convinced that with increased space at the next level the right team will be able to further develop it. The handle is there.

The overall point though is he’s a far more skilled offensive player then Turner, imo.

I feel like many see Paolo as Mr. Offense, holmgren as Mr. Defense, and Smith as somewhere in between. But chet has not just upside... But known offensive skills which to me makes him one of the most unique of prospects and 2 way players.

[FrightCoward]

Ringer updated MOCK (6/17) with some intel

1. Jabari
I’m still not 100 percent convinced the Magic take Jabari Smith Jr. here, even though all indications are he’ll be the selection. There’s just too much chatter about teams trying to trade for this pick. If the Magic play their cards right, they might be able to land Smith at a lower pick while accumulating additional assets. Sort of like how the Celtics effectively flipped Markelle Fultz for Jayson Tatum back in 2017. Fultz has turned into a solid player with the Magic, but he’s not the best player on a Finals team. Orlando needs that type of player. So for now, Smith is the first choice. The 6-foot-10 forward provides the type of defensive versatility and shotmaking this roster sorely lacks. Even though his ability to create is unproven, he’d be joining a team with ball handlers who need a target now. While he’s thriving off-ball, he can still work on his dribbling to hopefully someday become a player who can run the show late in the fourth quarter. At a minimum, he’s a potential All-Defensive team guy who can shoot over 40 percent from 3. If he improves his handle, he could become one of the league’s best players.

2. Chet
ESPN’s Jonathan Givony reported earlier this week that the Thunder are “aggressively pursuing” trades to move up from the 12th pick to land a second high lottery selection and take Jaden Ivey or Shaedon Sharpe. I have heard the same. It is also worth considering the possibility of another move down. Or what if the goal is to land both Ivey and Sharpe? Oklahoma City could use the second pick to take Ivey and move up from 12th to grab Sharpe. All that said, Holmgren is no lock here. But he keeps the spot in the mock for now since he fills a need in the frontcourt with his rim protection and shot-altering defense. The Thunder already have playmakers in Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Josh Giddey, so Holmgren can feast off their creativity as a spot-up shooter and paint finisher. Holmgren displayed some passing chops of his own at Gonzaga, so he could be utilized as a creator from the perimeter, elbows, and on the short roll. We’ll see what happens. Sam Presti has a lot of options.

3. Paolo
The Rockets traded Christian Wood to the Mavericks earlier this week, so now they have the 26th pick in addition to the third and 17th picks. With three firsts, a bunch of future picks, and youth on the roster, they’ve inquired about moving up into one of the two top spots. Whether they’re targeting Smith, Holmgren, or Banchero, Jalen Green showed during his rookie year that he’s a rising star in need of a running mate. The Rockets’ choice here will help define Green’s path. Banchero is someone who could help him carry the offense since they can both work with or without the ball. Of all the top picks, Banchero is the most ready to get buckets as soon as he steps foot on an NBA floor. But he’s the furthest away from contributing on defense, which raises questions about his frontcourt fit next to Alperen Sengun and his ability to lead a top defense with Green. Drafting Banchero is a bet that he’ll become a leader on offense and good enough on defense.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft/

If Orlando trades down past #2 they aren’t getting Smith. He is going either 1 or 2, he won’t slide past that.

[basketballRob]

Tbh, Chet wasn't really scoring off the dribble in the half court at the college level.

Part of that was by design and his role in offense.

I’m a firm believer that it’s something which is in his skillset, just underutilized by Few in Gonzaga’s system. A lot of the offense ran through Timme, && they were talented enough not to need Chet’s creation of the dribble. He flashed it far more in high school, && I’m convinced that with increased space at the next level the right team will be able to further develop it. The handle is there.

The overall point though is he’s a far more skilled offensive player then Turner, imo.

I think people watch the highlights and think that's the player Chet is. I've seen a lot of reports that he had a loose handle and wasn't a good passer.

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[Nyce_1]

Ringer updated MOCK (6/17) with some intel

1. Jabari
I’m still not 100 percent convinced the Magic take Jabari Smith Jr. here, even though all indications are he’ll be the selection. There’s just too much chatter about teams trying to trade for this pick. If the Magic play their cards right, they might be able to land Smith at a lower pick while accumulating additional assets. Sort of like how the Celtics effectively flipped Markelle Fultz for Jayson Tatum back in 2017. Fultz has turned into a solid player with the Magic, but he’s not the best player on a Finals team. Orlando needs that type of player. So for now, Smith is the first choice. The 6-foot-10 forward provides the type of defensive versatility and shotmaking this roster sorely lacks. Even though his ability to create is unproven, he’d be joining a team with ball handlers who need a target now. While he’s thriving off-ball, he can still work on his dribbling to hopefully someday become a player who can run the show late in the fourth quarter. At a minimum, he’s a potential All-Defensive team guy who can shoot over 40 percent from 3. If he improves his handle, he could become one of the league’s best players.

2. Chet
ESPN’s Jonathan Givony reported earlier this week that the Thunder are “aggressively pursuing” trades to move up from the 12th pick to land a second high lottery selection and take Jaden Ivey or Shaedon Sharpe. I have heard the same. It is also worth considering the possibility of another move down. Or what if the goal is to land both Ivey and Sharpe? Oklahoma City could use the second pick to take Ivey and move up from 12th to grab Sharpe. All that said, Holmgren is no lock here. But he keeps the spot in the mock for now since he fills a need in the frontcourt with his rim protection and shot-altering defense. The Thunder already have playmakers in Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Josh Giddey, so Holmgren can feast off their creativity as a spot-up shooter and paint finisher. Holmgren displayed some passing chops of his own at Gonzaga, so he could be utilized as a creator from the perimeter, elbows, and on the short roll. We’ll see what happens. Sam Presti has a lot of options.

3. Paolo
The Rockets traded Christian Wood to the Mavericks earlier this week, so now they have the 26th pick in addition to the third and 17th picks. With three firsts, a bunch of future picks, and youth on the roster, they’ve inquired about moving up into one of the two top spots. Whether they’re targeting Smith, Holmgren, or Banchero, Jalen Green showed during his rookie year that he’s a rising star in need of a running mate. The Rockets’ choice here will help define Green’s path. Banchero is someone who could help him carry the offense since they can both work with or without the ball. Of all the top picks, Banchero is the most ready to get buckets as soon as he steps foot on an NBA floor. But he’s the furthest away from contributing on defense, which raises questions about his frontcourt fit next to Alperen Sengun and his ability to lead a top defense with Green. Drafting Banchero is a bet that he’ll become a leader on offense and good enough on defense.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft/

If Orlando trades down past #2 they aren’t getting Smith. He is going either 1 or 2, he won’t slide past that.

anything is possible. If OKC has Paolo 1, Ivey 2....Orlando can get Smith w/ #3.

[basketballRob]

Jabari moved up on Fanduel from -145 to -170.

https://sportsbook.fanduel.com/navigation/nba?tab=nba-draft

Betonline down to -180 from -200.


https://sportsbook.fanduel.com/navigation/nba?tab=nba-draft

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Interesting take by Tate Frazier. Almost comes off as if he had some inside "scoop."

I actually have come around on the idea of Banchero. I think he's going to be good in the NBA, and I'd probably lean his way over Smith.

[Magicman125]

I can be talked into any of the top 3, but still am leaning Jabari > Chet >> Paolo in terms of my personal preference.

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screams bust for me and whoever takes him will have some issues to deal with.

[IllMagic04]

Cool to see Jaden Ivey's name getting mentioned in the top 3 now. Ivey is still number 2 on my board behind Banchero.

[MagicTownBaller]

Did Paolo work out for us? I wouldn't mind him either.