This is OBVIOUSLY Steph's era- not Lebron's.

[Homer38]

Yes Steph change the game more that LBJ but it don't make him better that LBJ,unless if you think that Lamar Jackson is a better QB that Peyton Manning in his prime because he change the game way more in the NFL....

[infinite11285]

Bron stans have COMPLETELY erased Warriors-Rockets from their memory in 2018 because they know that should've been the Real NBA Finals if things were fair. Warriors probably shouldn't have won that series. Lol.

They overcame that challenge and scrimmaged Eastern Conference bums to a ring and they're suddenly unbeatable

No one in this thread made that argument. Don't distort discussion to troll.

You are not correct. There is someone clearly making that argument.

Curry has 2 titles playing with a way more talented team then Lebron ever had, and the 2015 title is easier then Lebron ever had.

As for conference play, 2016 is the only year Curry had a tough trip to the finals

Fine that was a tough series. Doesn't rank all that high from me overall considering how much more talented Golden state was, that Paul missed the last 2 games and Curry didn't have that great a series, or need to, in order to win.

For example in 2018 Lebron averaged 34.5/10/8 on 65 TS% in a first round series against Indiana where his team only averaged 95 ppg. Dropped 45 in the clinching game 7.That's a tougher series for Lebron as an individual despite Indiana not being as talented

That's one poster, not "LeBron stans"; therein lies the trolling element. Further, that one poster certainly didn't erase the Warriors-Rockets from memory under the hypothetical of "that should've been the Real NBA Finals if things were fair."

In short, don't put words in another poster's mouth or thoughts in their head for the sake of calling someone a LeBron stan, which adds nothing to the discussion.

[infinite11285]

Bron stans saying the quiet parts loud in this thread. The media has slipped up this year too.

By listening to people talk about Bron, you'd think that basketball isn't necessarily about winning, but about individual accomplishments.

The entire premise of your OP is rooted in the individual greatness of Steph. If your arguments are truly about winning, several players have won titles in the 7-year window since Steph won his first title in 2015, which doesn't bode well for Steph's era of dominance, as you see it.

Again, don't insult posters that retort or fundamentally disagree with your premise.

[Jonny Blaze]

No one in this thread made that argument. Don't distort discussion to troll.

You are not correct. There is someone clearly making that argument.

Curry has 2 titles playing with a way more talented team then Lebron ever had, and the 2015 title is easier then Lebron ever had.

As for conference play, 2016 is the only year Curry had a tough trip to the finals

Fine that was a tough series. Doesn't rank all that high from me overall considering how much more talented Golden state was, that Paul missed the last 2 games and Curry didn't have that great a series, or need to, in order to win.

For example in 2018 Lebron averaged 34.5/10/8 on 65 TS% in a first round series against Indiana where his team only averaged 95 ppg. Dropped 45 in the clinching game 7.That's a tougher series for Lebron as an individual despite Indiana not being as talented

That's one poster, not "LeBron stans"; therein lies the trolling element. Further, that one poster certainly didn't erase the Warriors-Rockets from memory under the hypothetical of "that should've been the Real NBA Finals if things were fair."

In short, don't put words in another poster's mouth or thoughts in their head for the sake of calling someone a LeBron stan, which adds nothing to the discussion.

You stated no one made that argument when that clearly was not the case.

Just be consistent.

[Goomba3666]

Bron stans saying the quiet parts loud in this thread. The media has slipped up this year too.

By listening to people talk about Bron, you'd think that basketball isn't necessarily about winning, but about individual accomplishments.

The entire premise of your OP is rooted in the individual greatness of Steph. If your arguments are truly about winning, several players have won titles in the 7-year window since Steph won his first title in 2015, which doesn't bode well for Steph's era of dominance, as you see it.

Again, don't insult posters that retort or fundamentally disagree with your premise.

It's actually not though. I'm not rummaging through basketball reference to post arbitrary numbers.

I'm literally pointing out that his style works with alongside with ANYONE that shares the court with him. He's the epitome of team basketball, perseverance, resilience, and positivity.

Just overall great for the sport.

[nikster]

So.....the Game 7 between Houston (65-17) and Golden St in 2018 didn't happen?

https://www.espn.com/nba/game/_/gameId/401032767

Fine that was a tough series. Doesn't rank all that high from me overall considering how much more talented Golden state was, that Paul missed the last 2 games and Curry didn't have that great a series, or need to, in order to win.

For example in 2018 Lebron averaged 34.5/10/8 on 65 TS% in a first round series against Indiana where his team only averaged 95 ppg. Dropped 45 in the clinching game 7.That's a tougher series for Lebron as an individual despite Indiana not being as talented

I completely understand. Lebron stans have a duty to downplay and hate on everything that Kevin Durant and Steph Curry accomplish because their accomplishments are a direct hit to the Lebron is the GOAT argument.

There was no team in the Eastern Conference during the Lebron era that came close to being as good as the 65-17 Houston Rockets

That's rich coming from a guy that downplays and hates on everything that Lebron accomplished.

As for it teams, I would put big 3 Celtics, Dwight Magic, Rose's 60 win Bulls on that level, especially if we factor the injury to CP3.

Do you disagree with what i said, or do you think Curry played better against the Rockets than Lebron did against Indiana?

[nikster]

Bron stans saying the quiet parts loud in this thread. The media has slipped up this year too.

By listening to people talk about Bron, you'd think that basketball isn't necessarily about winning, but about individual accomplishments.

The entire premise of your OP is rooted in the individual greatness of Steph. If your arguments are truly about winning, several players have won titles in the 7-year window since Steph won his first title in 2015, which doesn't bode well for Steph's era of dominance, as you see it.

Again, don't insult posters that retort or fundamentally disagree with your premise.

It's actually not though. I'm not rummaging through basketball reference to post arbitrary numbers.

I'm literally pointing out that his style works with alongside with ANYONE that shares the court with him. He's the epitome of team basketball, perseverance, resilience, and positivity.

Just overall great for the sport.

Is that not the case with Lebron too? Carried a bad offensive cast with elite D to the finals in 2007. Carried a team of offensive role players with **** D in 2018. Several of his early finals teams had poor spacing. Won a title along side an elite slashing guard in Wade who's not a threat from 3(and not so elite in 2013), a ball dominant iso scorer in Irving, and a finesse big in AD.

[Cavsfansince84]

I don't understand. What am I 'doing'??

Curry's journey to winning has been one of the most impressive I've seen. Truly a story of resilience.

Chronic Ankle pain stemming from a crap ton of Injuries

Curry proving that he's a better long term fit than Mont Ellis.

Growing with Klay and Draymond.

Surviving the embarrassment from 2016 to overcoming injuries to teammates.

All with ONE franchise who believed in him and vice versa.

His 4 rings look and feel different than Lebron's.

The bolded part would mean so much more had they done it without recruiting the 3rd best player in the nba at the time. Its not like they lost their legs in a grenade blast. They just lost a game 7 but responded to it by recruiting an atg level player.

[Dubs 707]

It is possible to congratulate a player without lowering another player, especially when this player has nothing to do with this year

Not in this era...we use to be able to appreciate different players equally, but now in this time of social media, clout chasing, ring chasing, we don't respect all players like we use to.

I mean what about all the posts about Wilt and Russell playing against plumbers to boost up the modern era. We talk about how the athletes are much better now, can shoot much better now...I didn't see that last night. I saw a lot of turnovers and bad basketball.

Saying all that, I respect what Steph has done far more than what Lebron has done. Sticking with a process and seeing it through is far more satisfying than all the wreckage Lebron has caused. It shows you can win without having to trade away your whole future or team hopping.....

It helps a lot when you draft much better than the cavs of the 2003 to 2010 period and your owner can pay a huge luxury tax year after year like the warriors right now....

Players like Kobe and Curry have been in a great situation from day one and it's easier to trust the process than if you would have been in a franchise like Charlotte....

Before Curry the Warriors were basically Charlotte

Curry is that vitality important

[Jonny Blaze]

Fine that was a tough series. Doesn't rank all that high from me overall considering how much more talented Golden state was, that Paul missed the last 2 games and Curry didn't have that great a series, or need to, in order to win.

For example in 2018 Lebron averaged 34.5/10/8 on 65 TS% in a first round series against Indiana where his team only averaged 95 ppg. Dropped 45 in the clinching game 7.That's a tougher series for Lebron as an individual despite Indiana not being as talented

I completely understand. Lebron stans have a duty to downplay and hate on everything that Kevin Durant and Steph Curry accomplish because their accomplishments are a direct hit to the Lebron is the GOAT argument.

There was no team in the Eastern Conference during the Lebron era that came close to being as good as the 65-17 Houston Rockets

That's rich coming from a guy that downplays and hates on everything that Lebron accomplished.

As for it teams, I would put big 3 Celtics, Dwight Magic, Rose's 60 win Bulls on that level, especially if we factor the injury to CP3.

Do you disagree with what i said, or do you think Curry played better against the Rockets than Lebron did against Indiana?

Nope nope nope....I'm not going to let you do that.

This is talking about the Eastern Conference from 2010-2018 when Lebron was on super teams that he stacked in Miami and Cleveland.

The East was absolute garbage during those years...so the Big 3 Celtics and Dwight's Magic are not a part of that conversation.
Lebron was on the most talented team in the league and was playing teams in the Eastern Conference Finals that would not have gotten out of the 1st round in the West.

The 2011 Bulls are only elite team that Lebron ever faced in the Eastern Conference Finals during that run from 2011-2018.
Lebron does not go to 8 straight Finals if his teams are playing in the Western Conference. His teams should have been doing what Golden St accomplished organically.

What Steph and Warriors have accomplished is so much more impressive because of the level of competition that they've defeated.

[Pennebaker]

If this is Steph’s era then why does Kevin Durant have the most Finals MVPs in Warriors history?

LeBron won his 4th title before Curry.

The fact that Curry did it with one franchise means that he’s had more front office help than LeBron. Curry was well provided for by Warriors management and never had a reason to leave.

LeBron, on the other hand, had to make his own way, so the level of difficulty of what LeBron did - creating new teams in 3 cities and winning with all of them - is far beyond anything Curry has yet accomplished.

2016 and Kevin Durant has essentially eliminated Curry from challenging LeBron’s status as the superior player between the two.

[WintaSoldier1]

Here's the thing, in 2011 Lebron teamed with three other stars to try and do what Curry has done. One guy has bounced from team to team trying to chase rings, and the other has done it with one core. If Curry joins the upper tier of champions, then this is definitely his era.

Legends with 5 rings

Russell
MJ
Kareem
Kobe
Duncan
Magic
^
NBA history can be mapped out with these guys

Why is Loyalty + Success the given Criteria? Just because they all have a common denominator??

And the claim, that NBA history can be mapped out with those people is flat out false, firstly you miss LBJ’s Era of History, Which overlaps with Kobe’s beginning in 07’.

Lebron’s Era of Player Empowerment, is directly responsible for 2 Of Curry’s Rings(KD).

To ignore LBJ’s obvious impact on the NBA is just ignorant and flat out wrong. And your earlier statement also excludes a plethora of people who were almost impactful in NBA History.

Impact to what? He was supposed to win not 1 not 2 not 3.....in Miami. Ended up with two rings. Klay, Dray aren't any better than Wade/Bosh.

This is a surface level analysis….

Lebron still was the first person to empower players to control their future, this is insanely relevant in Modern NBA’s Landscape. That was the purpose of the post. Not to focus on what he didn’t do

[An Unbiased Fan]

Why is Loyalty + Success the given Criteria? Just because they all have a common denominator??

And the claim, that NBA history can be mapped out with those people is flat out false, firstly you miss LBJ’s Era of History, Which overlaps with Kobe’s beginning in 07’.

Lebron’s Era of Player Empowerment, is directly responsible for 2 Of Curry’s Rings(KD).

To ignore LBJ’s obvious impact on the NBA is just ignorant and flat out wrong. And your earlier statement also excludes a plethora of people who were almost impactful in NBA History.

Impact to what? He was supposed to win not 1 not 2 not 3.....in Miami. Ended up with two rings. Klay, Dray aren't any better than Wade/Bosh.

This is a surface level analysis….

Lebron still was the first person to empower players to control their future, this is insanely relevant in Modern NBA’s Landscape. That was the purpose of the post. Not to focus on what he didn’t do

Well no, free agency began decades before Lebron was in the league, he didn't empower anything. Other legends just chose not to do what he and KD have done. It's much harder sticking with a team through it's up and downs.

[ChartFiction]

Where was this Curry is better than Lebron as Klay was healing and the warriors were in the lottery?

2021? The shortened season where the Warriors were 8th best record in the West? He would have been 5th seed in actual games he played in 2021. They went 2-7 without him that year. After a losing streak with him not playing, he came back during the last 30 games of the season and averaged 36.9 ppg and had the Warriors at .64 win pct in the games he played, which would have them just short of 3rd seed in WC.

During the play-in game that year against Grizz, Curry was the only Warriors starter with a positive +/- and had 39 points.

2021 was only a foretelling of how bad the Warriors are without Steph and hurts your case to anyone who spends more than a second just glossing over things.

[infinite11285]

You stated no one made that argument when that clearly was not the case.

Just be consistent.

No one made that argument; it was manufactured to refer to another poster as a "stan" for cheap And-1's. You have also referred to others as "stans" in this thread.

The point: Keep the immature insults to yourselves or you'll be removed from the discussion for trolling. Stuff like that ruins discussion.

That should be a simple ask.

[The4thHorseman]

Impact to what? He was supposed to win not 1 not 2 not 3.....in Miami. Ended up with two rings. Klay, Dray aren't any better than Wade/Bosh.

This is a surface level analysis….

Lebron still was the first person to empower players to control their future, this is insanely relevant in Modern NBA’s Landscape. That was the purpose of the post. Not to focus on what he didn’t do

Well no, free agency began decades before Lebron was in the league, he didn't empower anything. Other legends just chose not to do what he and KD have done. It's much harder sticking with a team through it's up and downs.

LeBron signed with 2 different lottery teams in a 5yr span, Cavs and Lakers.

What superstar has done that?

[An Unbiased Fan]

This is a surface level analysis….

Lebron still was the first person to empower players to control their future, this is insanely relevant in Modern NBA’s Landscape. That was the purpose of the post. Not to focus on what he didn’t do

Well no, free agency began decades before Lebron was in the league, he didn't empower anything. Other legends just chose not to do what he and KD have done. It's much harder sticking with a team through it's up and downs.

LeBron signed with 2 different lottery teams, Cavs and Lakers.

What superstar has done that?

The Cavs who had Kyrie and traded away the #1 pick for Love.

And the Lakers who had cap space for PG or Kawhi. Lebron just couldn't get them to LA. They miss the playoffs and then the whole team is traded for AD.

Compare that with guys like Curry, Kobe, TD, Magic, MJ sticking with their teams and creating a winning culture as opposed to going from team to team. If Kobe goes to Boston in 2009, does two titles enhance his legacy? What about Curry to the Bucks? Or MJ to the Pistons?

The big problem for Lebron is he has a press conference literally confirming he was building a team good enough for not 1, not 1, not3.....rings. And they ended up with two. I've said many times Lebron should have stayed in Cleveland, that team was built nicely for his style of play. After 2010 the Laker run was done and they could have owned the 10s. Imagine Lebron's legacy then. But we know that didn't happen.

[Hobo4President]

Not even a large Curry fan. Just speaking objectively. And yes, winning with Wiggins adds another layer of credibility to this being Steph's Era. He's just been a superior winner over this time span while playing in a superior conference.

Not sure what to tell you.

Like I said, Curry is knocking on the door of the top 10 of all-time...Of course LeBron is very old now, but that's been his league for over 10 years when at one point he made the finals 9 out of 10 times and win 4 titles and also win 4 MVPs

Making the finals 9 straight times in the East on stacked teams just isn't the accomplishment you think it is. Again, nothing about that accomplishment is organic.

Out in the West, that "finals appearance" thing was DOA. Missed the playoffs and didn't crack 40 wins. Next year they won (in another non-organic way during Covid) and the next two season he got swept by the Suns the moment AD went down & can't crack 40 wins with a team where half the players are hall of of famers.

It's weird how you've argued it was easy to make the finals out east but haven't used the same logic about the talent discrepancies between the Warriors and Cavs teams in the finals. You said earlier in this thread you're "speaking objectively" but it doesn't look that way.

[nikster]

I completely understand. Lebron stans have a duty to downplay and hate on everything that Kevin Durant and Steph Curry accomplish because their accomplishments are a direct hit to the Lebron is the GOAT argument.

There was no team in the Eastern Conference during the Lebron era that came close to being as good as the 65-17 Houston Rockets

That's rich coming from a guy that downplays and hates on everything that Lebron accomplished.

As for it teams, I would put big 3 Celtics, Dwight Magic, Rose's 60 win Bulls on that level, especially if we factor the injury to CP3.

Do you disagree with what i said, or do you think Curry played better against the Rockets than Lebron did against Indiana?

Nope nope nope....I'm not going to let you do that.

This is talking about the Eastern Conference from 2010-2018 when Lebron was on super teams that he stacked in Miami and Cleveland.

The East was absolute garbage during those years...so the Big 3 Celtics and Dwight's Magic are not a part of that conversation.
Lebron was on the most talented team in the league and was playing teams in the Eastern Conference Finals that would not have gotten out of the 1st round in the West.

The 2011 Bulls are only elite team that Lebron ever faced in the Eastern Conference Finals during that run from 2011-2018.
Lebron does not go to 8 straight Finals if his teams are playing in the Western Conference. His teams should have been doing what Golden St accomplished organically.

What Steph and Warriors have accomplished is so much more impressive because of the level of competition that they've defeated.

Okay we will keep it to 2010-18 for Lebron. Lebrons only played one elite team in those 2011 Bulls. Curry has only beaten 2 elite teams in his runs ('16 OKC and '18 Rockets). After one of those series he went on to be beaten and outplayed by Lebron, and the other he had a massive talent advantage. if level of competition matters, doesnt level of supporting cast as well (i.e. 2018 Cavs vs 2017 Warriors)?

As for organically, why is that a matter of evaluating on court basketball talent? Should we give Curry credit because his GM got 2 steals with Dray and Klay?

[Charlesareed]

Curry literally started winning 3 years after Lebron won his 1st. Bizarre when you think about it. And considering how much effort Lebron has put in team hopping and colluding during this time frame, it makes Curry's journey look more natural and organic.

Not only that but if I remember correctly steph came in the league 6years after bron & beat him for for 3 of his 4 rings at that had tied him in rings with 4 in less time