This is OBVIOUSLY Steph's era- not Lebron's.

[NZB2323]

Injury are part of the game, but the bulls for the most part have always been healthy for most of the 1990s outside of 1998 with Pippen and his back problems at the end of the finals but he was still playing and he was still very impactful like in game 6 against jazz when he finished the game at +16 in a one point win

LeBron was the league's best player for a very long time between 2009 to 2020 no matter who was his competition like Wade, Kobe, KD, Kawhi, Curry, Giannis etc and he often played against elite team in the finals like the spurs and the warriors....Jordan is the best player ever, but it's also true that he was lucky to play when the lakers,pistons and celtics were no longer dominant...Overall Jordan had a combined record of 2-5 against his teams and we can't say the pistons were still a great team when the bulls beat them in 1991...It was a 50 wins team only

In 1993, the Suns were great in offense, below average in defense and the Knicks were great in defense and terrible in offense, so rarely did the Bulls ever play against teams that were great in offense and defense like it was often the case for LBJ in the finals

In 1993 the Suns were 9th in defensive rating and 1st in offensive rating.

In 1991 the Lakers were 5th in defensive and offensive rating.
In 1992 the Traiblazers were 3rd in defensive and 7th in offensive rating.
In 1996 the Supersonics were 2nd in defensive rating and 8th in offensive rating.
In 1997 the Jazz were 9th in defensive and 2nd in offensive rating.
In 1998 the Pacers were 5th in defensive and 4th in offensive rating.

The rankings can be misleading due to the number of expansion teams and the number of historic bad teams the NBA had in the late 1990s...I mean in 1998 the NBA had like 6 teams with 62 losses or more and it was not much better that the few years before!

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1998.html

How does 6 terrible teams have anything to do with who Jordan is playing against in the playoffs? In 2016 4 teams had 59 losses or more. 2012 was a shortened season, but we had a team that only won 7 games.

And I'm not sure how there being 6 terrible teams in 1998 means that the 93 Suns were below average defensively when they were 9th. In 93 there were only 2 teams with 62 losses or more. When Jordan won his first title, only 1 team had 62 losses.

[SleepingDragon]

People actually think it's more difficult to win rings with the same core than 3 completely different teams?

[An Unbiased Fan]

People actually think it's more difficult to win rings with the same core than 3 completely different teams?

It IS tougher. Bolting when teams decline to better rosters is easier

[Homer38]

In 1993 the Suns were 9th in defensive rating and 1st in offensive rating.

In 1991 the Lakers were 5th in defensive and offensive rating.
In 1992 the Traiblazers were 3rd in defensive and 7th in offensive rating.
In 1996 the Supersonics were 2nd in defensive rating and 8th in offensive rating.
In 1997 the Jazz were 9th in defensive and 2nd in offensive rating.
In 1998 the Pacers were 5th in defensive and 4th in offensive rating.

The rankings can be misleading due to the number of expansion teams and the number of historic bad teams the NBA had in the late 1990s...I mean in 1998 the NBA had like 6 teams with 62 losses or more and it was not much better that the few years before!

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1998.html

How does 6 terrible teams have anything to do with who Jordan is playing against in the playoffs? In 2016 4 teams had 59 losses or more. 2012 was a shortened season, but we had a team that only won 7 games.

My point is just that inflated some team rankings like wins and stats like offensive and defensive rating

4 teams with 59 losses or more is much less than 6 teams with 62 losses or more

[NyKnicks1714]

People actually think it's more difficult to win rings with the same core than 3 completely different teams?

Obviously. Everyone knows good chemistry is a big negative in basketball games.

[NZB2323]

The rankings can be misleading due to the number of expansion teams and the number of historic bad teams the NBA had in the late 1990s...I mean in 1998 the NBA had like 6 teams with 62 losses or more and it was not much better that the few years before!

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1998.html

How does 6 terrible teams have anything to do with who Jordan is playing against in the playoffs? In 2016 4 teams had 59 losses or more. 2012 was a shortened season, but we had a team that only won 7 games.

My point is just that inflated some team rankings like wins and stats like offensive and defensive rating

4 teams with 59 losses or more is much less than 6 teams with 62 losses or more

But if you took those teams out of the league, the teams that were top 10 in those categories would still be top 10. And what does there being 6 terrible teams in 98 have to do with the Suns being "below average" defensively in 1993 when they were 9th and we only had 2 teams that lost 62 games or more?

[xdrta+]

Curry is probably the biggest reason why Lebron won’t ever be considered the GOAT

I'd say MJ is.

[Homer38]

How does 6 terrible teams have anything to do with who Jordan is playing against in the playoffs? In 2016 4 teams had 59 losses or more. 2012 was a shortened season, but we had a team that only won 7 games.

My point is just that inflated some team rankings like wins and stats like offensive and defensive rating

4 teams with 59 losses or more is much less than 6 teams with 62 losses or more

But if you took those teams out of the league, the teams that were top 10 in those categories would still be top 10. And what does there being 6 terrible teams in 98 have to do with the Suns being "below average" defensively in 1993 when they were 9th and we only had 2 teams that lost 62 games or more.

9th on defense is nothing special.They almost loss against the 39-43 lakers team in the first round too.

[Roddy B for 3]

I think of '04 as the beginning of a new era in NBA history that will end when LeBron retires.

I view it as the Russell era
The Kareem is bpa in a flat league era
Magic v. Bird era
Jordan starts winning era
Who is next Jordan mini era
LeBron era

Steph might literally come and go during LeBrons era.

All this said, I think Steph will be rembered by me as clearly the 2nd best of the era.

I also think Giannis is the best player overall from the past 4 years fwiw.

5 years ago LBJ was coming off his 6th straight finals appearance, 7th overall.

Lebron was a blip in 04. His era didn't start til 2012 after the Lakers run was done and Dirk's 2011. And Curry's era overlapped and overtook his in 2015. This will clearly be remembered as Curry's era by the young fans. They all try to emulate Curry the way 00s fans would yell "Kobe" and emulate him, and 90s fans would stick their tongues out like MJ, and 80s fans would throw fancy passes like Magic. Lebron is the biggest star of this era, but Curry's success and influence has overtaken him since 2015

I wrote this whole post and figured out the word I couldn't articulate at the very end of my post, so now I'm noting it at the top of the post. The word is gerrymandering, you'r gerrymandering LeBrons career by cutting off '12/'13 as a different "era" from 2016 and 2020.
Gerrymandering: manipulate the boundaries of (an electoral constituency) so as to favor one party or class.
-achieve (a result) by manipulating the boundaries of an electoral constituency.
Example: You are gerrymandering LeBrons success with arbitrary boundaries to prop up a player you prefer.

Alright let's get down to it.
'22-'15 is Steph's era is what you say, right?
And you say LeBrons era started in '12 now you say "Steph's era overlapped and over took his in 2015"
From 2012-2016 LBJ won three titles, but somehow GSW "overlapped and overtook" him in 2015 after 1 title.

So now the time line looks like
2012-2015 LBJ
2015-2022 Steph
Right?

But you also say "his (LeBrons) era didn't start until 2012 after the Lakers run was done and Dirks 2011."

So does it go:
'09-'11 = Lakers and Dirk?
or does it go
'09-'10 Lakers
'11 Dirk
'12-'15 LeBron
'15-'22 Steph
??

What about before the Lakers two-peat?

Is it a single year "era" of Boston?

Or is it '07-'08 the San Antonio/Boston era?
Or is it '05-'08 the San Antonio/Miami/Boston era?
Or is it the '03-'08 San Antonio/Detroit/Miami/Boston era

'00-'02 is the LALera, right?
But then only San Antonio is in between two three peats so is that single Spurs season its own "era" or does it get lumped in with Chicago or Lal?

I believe a "era" has a begining middle and end. The "era" of Napoleon does not start with Napoleon as a general, it's starts with Napoleon working his way up to being a general all the crazy that lead to him getting his opportunity.

Idk it just seems like your talking off the cuff in a way that favors a team you like and your not actually putting thought into what your saying. Beyond "this sounds reasonable, and I like how it sounds so I'll go with it.". Not very "unbiased" of you.

LeBron won two titles from 2016-2020, as many as GSW, but they can't be apart of his "era" because GSW one one in 2015 and would go on to win one in 2022. Let's just dismiss the '12 and '13 titles as well because they don't make your argument look good. I mean, LeBron won 4 chips, 4 FMVPs, 2 MVP's in 9 years and Steph won 4 Chips 1FMVP and 2MVP's in 8 years.

LeBron won 3 titles in 5 years, SOMEHOW one of those "eras" is the as you refred to it, "Heatles" and the other is the "Steph Curry "era"

From 2012-2020 LBJ won 4 titles, 4 FMVP, and 2MVP
But let's us not forget,
Steph won 3 titles, 0 FMVP, and 2MVP from 2015-2020 so clearly that section of time was Stephs "era"

And obviously we have to separate the 2012 -2014 years from '15-'20 because... It makes Steph look better to GERRYMANDER LeBrons career.

[twyzted]

Injury are part of the game, but the bulls for the most part have always been healthy for most of the 1990s outside of 1998 with Pippen and his back problems at the end of the finals but he was still playing and he was still very impactful like in game 6 against jazz when he finished the game at +16 in a one point win

LeBron was the league's best player for a very long time between 2009 to 2020 no matter who was his competition like Wade, Kobe, KD, Kawhi, Curry, Giannis etc and he often played against elite team in the finals like the spurs and the warriors....Jordan is the best player ever, but it's also true that he was lucky to play when the lakers,pistons and celtics were no longer dominant...Overall Jordan had a combined record of 2-5 against his teams and we can't say the pistons were still a great team when the bulls beat them in 1991...It was a 50 wins team only

In 1993, the Suns were great in offense, below average in defense and the Knicks were great in defense and terrible in offense, so rarely did the Bulls ever play against teams that were great in offense and defense like it was often the case for LBJ in the finals

In 1993 the Suns were 9th in defensive rating and 1st in offensive rating.

In 1991 the Lakers were 5th in defensive and offensive rating.
In 1992 the Traiblazers were 3rd in defensive and 7th in offensive rating.
In 1996 the Supersonics were 2nd in defensive rating and 8th in offensive rating.
In 1997 the Jazz were 9th in defensive and 2nd in offensive rating.
In 1998 the Pacers were 5th in defensive and 4th in offensive rating.

The rankings can be misleading due to the number of expansion teams and the number of historic bad teams the NBA had in the late 1990s...I mean in 1998 the NBA had like 6 teams with 62 losses or more and it was not much better that the few years before!

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1998.html

It also has 10 teams over 50 wins, 5 of them in the east and all but 1 of those 60 loss teams were in the west.

Some years in the 10s Lebron had 1 other team winning over 50 games in the east, that is historically bad conference!

[NZB2323]

My point is just that inflated some team rankings like wins and stats like offensive and defensive rating

4 teams with 59 losses or more is much less than 6 teams with 62 losses or more

But if you took those teams out of the league, the teams that were top 10 in those categories would still be top 10. And what does there being 6 terrible teams in 98 have to do with the Suns being "below average" defensively in 1993 when they were 9th and we only had 2 teams that lost 62 games or more.

9th on defense is nothing special.They almost loss against the 39-43 lakers team in the first round too.

My point is 9th isn't below average like you claimed they were, and they had the number one offense. They may have gone 5 games against the Lakers, but they were +19 on points for the series. That's like saying Kobe should have beat the 08 Celtics because they almost lost in the first round against the Hawks.

[bradybunch]

Won a title with his second best player being Andrew Wiggins.

Case closed.

[Homer38]

But if you took those teams out of the league, the teams that were top 10 in those categories would still be top 10. And what does there being 6 terrible teams in 98 have to do with the Suns being "below average" defensively in 1993 when they were 9th and we only had 2 teams that lost 62 games or more.

9th on defense is nothing special.They almost loss against the 39-43 lakers team in the first round too.

My point is 9th isn't below average like you claimed they were, and they had the number one offense. They may have gone 5 games against the Lakers, but they were +19 on points for the series. That's like saying Kobe should have beat the 08 Celtics because they almost lost in the first round against the Hawks.

The game 5 were a overtime game.The Hawks were never close to win a game in Boston....All blowout,start to finish

[Homer38]

In 1993 the Suns were 9th in defensive rating and 1st in offensive rating.

In 1991 the Lakers were 5th in defensive and offensive rating.
In 1992 the Traiblazers were 3rd in defensive and 7th in offensive rating.
In 1996 the Supersonics were 2nd in defensive rating and 8th in offensive rating.
In 1997 the Jazz were 9th in defensive and 2nd in offensive rating.
In 1998 the Pacers were 5th in defensive and 4th in offensive rating.

The rankings can be misleading due to the number of expansion teams and the number of historic bad teams the NBA had in the late 1990s...I mean in 1998 the NBA had like 6 teams with 62 losses or more and it was not much better that the few years before!

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1998.html

It also has 10 teams over 50 wins, 5 of them in the east and all but 1 of those 60 loss teams were in the west.

Some years in the 10s Lebron had 1 other team winning over 50 games in the east, that is historically bad conference!

Of course, the records of some team will be inflated with so many bad team

Also, at that time, the NBA had very few international player...Now it's 25%, so imagine the league without Giannis, Luka, Jokic, etc, it would be much lower but not like it was when Magic and Bird had retired.

[HMFFL]

You know Lebron is great when he's compared to all of the Finals MVP's. Kawhi, Giannis, and now Steph. Some of you live in the present.



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[AmIWrongDude]

Guy gets his first FMVP and now it’s “OBVIOUSLY” his era over a top 3 player of all time at worst lol.

[dcstanley]

Won a title with his second best player being Andrew Wiggins.

Case closed.

Against a team whose best player is Jayson Tatum.

[Admiral-Kizaru]

Let's chill a bit, lol. I do think that the dominance of the warriors has somewhat undermined Brons's legacy and I think that Steph and Brons standing in history are forever linked.

Bron is clearly the better player and is higher all time. However, Steph is the better leader and the guy you'd want to build around as a franchise because of his personality.

[bearadonisdna]

Curry’s peak he was better than Lebron still in his prime , who is considered a Mount Rushmore caliber goat.


As far as era , it’s still Lebrons era , he is chasing Kareem , and curry has his day , but Durant dampened his legacy for a few years.

[homecourtloss]

Guy gets his first FMVP and now it’s “OBVIOUSLY” his era over a top 3 player of all time at worst lol.

OP and the 40 or 50 posters giving him And1s couldn’t say “Curry is better than LeBron,” so he went this route and got the agreement from the people waiting to pile on.