2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pic: Poll added

[LateNight]

Not the ideal pick, but I do like Beauchamp. He doesn’t fit our needs, but the defense is there and (while his shooting / 3 is weak), he shoots well when unguarded. If he puts it all together, he could be really good

[Dresden]

100% agree. The draft (IMO) is about taking swings at guys we projectable tool/roles in the NBA. EJ Liddell's are a dime a dozen in the NBA. Feel similar to guys like Agabji as well. Just don't see very high ceilings for either.

Don't get me wrong, role players are important. But talent wins in the this league, always. Doesn't matter if you have a really strong 8th man off the bench in the playoffs.

Guys like Agbaji are not that easy to find (Liddell either, IMO). Agbaji has the potential to be one of the top spot up 3 pt shooters in the league. Plus he's very athletic and shows excellent skills on defense. I think he'll be as good as Mikal Bridges, although a few inches shorter. He would fill an important role for us as a floor spacer and a lock down defender, which we surely need with a backcourt of Lavine, DDR and Coby.

[PlayerUp]

The Rockets seems like a decent trade partner for the Bulls. The Bulls could send them White and 18 for 17 and 26.
Jalen Williams and Dominik Barlow would be a solid return.

The flaw there is that White is worth #26.

I'd be happy if we could direct the 34th pick from OKC for Coby.

im impressed how you guys value coby that low...jump one spot at the draft and a 26th pick? id rather keep him...he is our best shooter by far...yes he sucked late in the season but at one time during last season he was our #2 best player. No way I would do that trade.

Bulls aren't going to keep both Coby and Ayo. One will go and it's going to be Coby. You trade Coby because we won't be re-signing him so it's time to sell low on him to get something back for him rather than nothing.

[Dresden]

Bummed to see Ousmane Dieng keep moving up draft boards. He was my favorite prospect for the Bulls. Really hope he goes to the right situation to develop. Watched a few of those Breakers games, man that dude is a smooth athlete, and at his size. He's main concern is his shot, but his form looks pretty good, pretty quick release, especially at 6'10. Recently turned 19, think he's still growing into his body. If he's got the work ethic/drive, really think he could be a special player.

If he falls to the late lottery, I'm calling some of those teams to see if the 18th plus White is enough to move up 4 or 5 spots.

Other players in our range I'm in a big fan of:
- Jeremy Sochan: five position defender, who's got some good handle, and great feel. Again, shot is a concern. But I'm always willing to bet on a guy whom works hard, and is under 20.
- TyTy Washington: Convinced if he doesn't get hurt, he's a top ten pick. Has some Jalen Brunson in him, and I think can develop into a plus defender, has the want to.
- Kendall Brown: Another Baylor freshman, just flashed athletically watching that team. Another very strong, mature defender for his age. Was efficient on the shots he did take. A project on offense, but I think one well worth a 18th pick.
- MarJon Beauchamp: Anyone else remember the Bulls former savior MarShon Brooks (those old heads on the board might remember)? Defiantly got some shades of his game, big rangy off guard, also the name. But he's a good motor, and some grit to him. He feels like someone Memphis would take.
- Jaylin Williams - Surprised I don't see his name in more first round mocks, so perhaps he's a second round guy. But the dude hustles, and makes winning plays. Really smart defender, has great feet for a guy his size, rebounds well. Show decent and improved shooting form. Think he can develop into a winning role player on a great team.

Of all the names that could be legitimately available where the Bulls pick, Liddell is the only one I feel strongly about avoiding. His floor and his ceiling are as an 8th guy off the bench who buys you some minutes.

He’s the definition of a safe, uninspired pick who will never bring you anything you can’t get in free agency at a value price.

100% agree. The draft (IMO) is about taking swings at guys we projectable tool/roles in the NBA. EJ Liddell's are a dime a dozen in the NBA. Feel similar to guys like Agabji as well. Just don't see very high ceilings for either.

Don't get me wrong, role players are important. But talent wins in the this league, always. Doesn't matter if you have a really strong 8th man off the bench in the playoffs.

Draftnet has him mocked at 19 right now....he's got too many things he needs to work on for my taste. Has a lot of potential, but just seems like he's a long way away from reaching that. Could be a home run of a pick, but has a very high bust factor too. Don't see him being able to contribute for at least 2 more years.

[Dresden]

BTW, draftnet has Kendall Brown all the way down to 37. It wasn't all that long ago they had him going to us at 18.

[The Box Office]

If AKME is trading out of this draft then DeAndre Ayton/Rudy Gobert has a high chance of being in the mix for us. This doesn't mean that we'll get one of the guys though.

[Michael Jackson]

Is Michael Foster Jr stil, projected to draft anywhere? He fell off the map.

[Repeat 3-peat]

TyTy Washington has been a late rise for me as an option for #18. He may simply be too talented to pass up. Though the Bulls have a lot of guards right now, Coby is likely on the way out, Zo injury history is worrisome, adding another talented guard should be considered.

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[Jvaughn]

Big Mark Williams fan myself. Would be ecstatic if we could figure out a way to get him somehow.

He might not drop, but Jalen Duren appears to be falling a bit. How would you feel with getting him?

[sco]

Big Mark Williams fan myself. Would be ecstatic if we could figure out a way to get him somehow.

He might not drop, but Jalen Duren appears to be falling a bit. How would you feel with getting him?

If any of Williams, Duren or Eason are there, I'd be thrilled to draft them, otherwise, I fine trading the pick.

[Chi town]

The flaw there is that White is worth #26.

I'd be happy if we could direct the 34th pick from OKC for Coby.

im impressed how you guys value coby that low...jump one spot at the draft and a 26th pick? id rather keep him...he is our best shooter by far...yes he sucked late in the season but at one time during last season he was our #2 best player. No way I would do that trade.

Bulls aren't going to keep both Coby and Ayo. One will go and it's going to be Coby. You trade Coby because we won't be re-signing him so it's time to sell low on him to get something back for him rather than nothing.

Or you trade him later like you did Lauri.

We get a defensive C to replace Vuc and Coby could be an important scorer for us. Up his value and then trade him if you need to

[TheHrvReport]

Watched Mark Williams highlights recently, would love to trade up and grab him using Coby White.

[IWannaGoHIGHER]

Guys like Agbaji are not that easy to find (Liddell either, IMO). Agbaji has the potential to be one of the top spot up 3 pt shooters in the league. Plus he's very athletic and shows excellent skills on defense. I think he'll be as good as Mikal Bridges, although a few inches shorter. He would fill an important role for us as a floor spacer and a lock down defender, which we surely need with a backcourt of Lavine, DDR and Coby.

Athletic guards these days are a dime a dozen. Agbaji is not Bridges (All NBA Defensive first team this year) on defense, nor has that kind of defensive protentional imo. Wouldn't even say he's one of the best defenders in this draft class. Bridges also averaged (40%) from 3pt in his three years at Nova, where Agabji only broke 40% 3pt his senior year.

Agabji had some steady improvement each year shooting, has some good form, but to say he'll be one of the top spot up 3pt shooters in the league, seems like a real stretch. Possible? Sure. Very likely? No.

Not to say he isn't a good prospect, or couldn't be a solid role player. You just mostly know who he is at this point. There just isn't a lot of recent historical precedent, of a four year college player, becoming a star.

Liddell is a undersized, 6'5.5" barefoot, PF/C. He does have a very noticeable defensive skill set, but is still a project on offense. Even after three years of college. Never shot over 50% from the field (as a big man). Again perhaps he's a solid role player, but he has limitations that imo, you can't look past. There are tweener wings/big man all over the NBA these days (Eric Paschall, PJ Tucker, Grant Williams, etc.)

Just don't buy the logic that you can't, fairly easily, find comparable players/skillset for both of them.

Draftnet has him mocked at 19 right now....he's got too many things he needs to work on for my taste. Has a lot of potential, but just seems like he's a long way away from reaching that. Could be a home run of a pick, but has a very high bust factor too. Don't see him being able to contribute for at least 2 more years.

I did see that, but seems like mostly he's got some real buzz, and the rumor is out there that he's has a lottery promise(first saw that from KOC). For whatever that is worth.

Totally fair, and legitimate argument. He likely has a higher chance to bust, than Agabji or Liddell. His shot is obviously a concern, but I think his defense, and playmaking ability, get him on the floor fairly quickly. When you talk about unique skill set, there aren't a lot 6'10 players with his handle, playmaking, and defensive potential. Now does he have the mental toughness, and work ethic to make the most of that protentional? Who knows.

I have just always felt the optimal draft strategy, is you always take swings on those with the highest potential. One of the very few ways the Bulls can break out of their current tier, is they hit on an All-NBA talent, in the middle/late first. Not very likely. But you take the best chances you can. And in my eyes, that is Dieng if he is there.

[moorhosj]

Liddell is a undersized, 6'5.5" barefoot, PF/C. He does have a very noticeable defensive skill set, but is still a project on offense. Even after three years of college. Never shot over 50% from the field (as a big man). Again perhaps he's a solid role player, but he has limitations that imo, you can't look past. There are tweener wings/big man all over the NBA these days (Eric Paschall, PJ Tucker, Grant Williams, etc

Luckily basketball is played with shoes on. Tucker and Williams, specifically, played huge roles in getting teams to the finals the past two years. Grant Williams, at 6’6”, played 27 minutes/game in the playoffs switching all over the place. Draymond Green is 6’5.75”, he’s done pretty well.

[sco]

Watched Mark Williams highlights recently, would love to trade up and grab him using Coby White.

I don't think Coby gets us up to 11 or 12, which is where I think we'd need to get to. Would folks trade Ayo to get there?

[TheSuzerain]

Liddell is a undersized, 6'5.5" barefoot, PF/C. He does have a very noticeable defensive skill set, but is still a project on offense. Even after three years of college. Never shot over 50% from the field (as a big man). Again perhaps he's a solid role player, but he has limitations that imo, you can't look past. There are tweener wings/big man all over the NBA these days (Eric Paschall, PJ Tucker, Grant Williams, etc

Luckily basketball is played with shoes on. Tucker and Williams, specifically, played huge roles in getting teams to the finals the past two years. Grant Williams, at 6’6”, played 27 minutes/game in the playoffs switching all over the place. Draymond Green is 6’5.75”, he’s done pretty well.

I like those guys but they are 5th options.

And we are not a team short on 4th/5th options.

Unless you're drafting a defensive anchor center, I'd target players with a chance at being higher up in the offensive pecking order.

[StunnerKO]

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[Dresden]

Guys like Agbaji are not that easy to find (Liddell either, IMO). Agbaji has the potential to be one of the top spot up 3 pt shooters in the league. Plus he's very athletic and shows excellent skills on defense. I think he'll be as good as Mikal Bridges, although a few inches shorter. He would fill an important role for us as a floor spacer and a lock down defender, which we surely need with a backcourt of Lavine, DDR and Coby.

Athletic guards these days are a dime a dozen. Agbaji is not Bridges (All NBA Defensive first team this year) on defense, nor has that kind of defensive protentional imo. Wouldn't even say he's one of the best defenders in this draft class. Bridges also averaged (40%) from 3pt in his three years at Nova, where Agabji only broke 40% 3pt his senior year.

Agabji had some steady improvement each year shooting, has some good form, but to say he'll be one of the top spot up 3pt shooters in the league, seems like a real stretch. Possible? Sure. Very likely? No.

Not to say he isn't a good prospect, or couldn't be a solid role player. You just mostly know who he is at this point. There just isn't a lot of recent historical precedent, of a four year college player, becoming a star.

Liddell is a undersized, 6'5.5" barefoot, PF/C. He does have a very noticeable defensive skill set, but is still a project on offense. Even after three years of college. Never shot over 50% from the field (as a big man). Again perhaps he's a solid role player, but he has limitations that imo, you can't look past. There are tweener wings/big man all over the NBA these days (Eric Paschall, PJ Tucker, Grant Williams, etc.)

Just don't buy the logic that you can't, fairly easily, find comparable players/skillset for both of them.

Draftnet has him mocked at 19 right now....he's got too many things he needs to work on for my taste. Has a lot of potential, but just seems like he's a long way away from reaching that. Could be a home run of a pick, but has a very high bust factor too. Don't see him being able to contribute for at least 2 more years.

I did see that, but seems like mostly he's got some real buzz, and the rumor is out there that he's has a lottery promise(first saw that from KOC). For whatever that is worth.

Totally fair, and legitimate argument. He likely has a higher chance to bust, than Agabji or Liddell. His shot is obviously a concern, but I think his defense, and playmaking ability, get him on the floor fairly quickly. When you talk about unique skill set, there aren't a lot 6'10 players with his handle, playmaking, and defensive potential. Now does he have the mental toughness, and work ethic to make the most of that protentional? Who knows.

I have just always felt the optimal draft strategy, is you always take swings on those with the highest potential. One of the very few ways the Bulls can break out of their current tier, is they hit on an All-NBA talent, in the middle/late first. Not very likely. But you take the best chances you can. And in my eyes, that is Dieng if he is there.

Liddell is listed at 6'7", the same height as Draymond Green and Paul Millsap. His fg% is what it is because he does shoot from the perimeter a lot. He's got a very respectable 3 point shot, and he's also got a pretty good handle for a big man.

What I like about both he and Agbaji are their two way potential. Both can be plus defenders as well as being 3 point options on offense. We don't have many of those players on the team currently. In fact, Pat Williams, if he develops, is the only one, beside Lonzo.

Guys like Dieng or Jovic do have tantalizing potential, but I just think very few of these types of players ever amount to much in the nba. They are either two thin/weak, or their shot never comes around, or the skills they showed in Europe don't translate that well. It just seems like a real long shot, when with guys like Agbaji or Liddell, you know that you are getting guys that have nba ready skills and bodies, and that will at the very least, be solid rotation guys, which we are sorely lacking at this point. If it was easy just to pick up a bunch of good 3 and D players in FA, I'd be fine with that, but is that really the case?

[sco]

Guys like Agbaji are not that easy to find (Liddell either, IMO). Agbaji has the potential to be one of the top spot up 3 pt shooters in the league. Plus he's very athletic and shows excellent skills on defense. I think he'll be as good as Mikal Bridges, although a few inches shorter. He would fill an important role for us as a floor spacer and a lock down defender, which we surely need with a backcourt of Lavine, DDR and Coby.

Athletic guards these days are a dime a dozen. Agbaji is not Bridges (All NBA Defensive first team this year) on defense, nor has that kind of defensive protentional imo. Wouldn't even say he's one of the best defenders in this draft class. Bridges also averaged (40%) from 3pt in his three years at Nova, where Agabji only broke 40% 3pt his senior year.

Agabji had some steady improvement each year shooting, has some good form, but to say he'll be one of the top spot up 3pt shooters in the league, seems like a real stretch. Possible? Sure. Very likely? No.

Not to say he isn't a good prospect, or couldn't be a solid role player. You just mostly know who he is at this point. There just isn't a lot of recent historical precedent, of a four year college player, becoming a star.

Liddell is a undersized, 6'5.5" barefoot, PF/C. He does have a very noticeable defensive skill set, but is still a project on offense. Even after three years of college. Never shot over 50% from the field (as a big man). Again perhaps he's a solid role player, but he has limitations that imo, you can't look past. There are tweener wings/big man all over the NBA these days (Eric Paschall, PJ Tucker, Grant Williams, etc.)

Just don't buy the logic that you can't, fairly easily, find comparable players/skillset for both of them.

Draftnet has him mocked at 19 right now....he's got too many things he needs to work on for my taste. Has a lot of potential, but just seems like he's a long way away from reaching that. Could be a home run of a pick, but has a very high bust factor too. Don't see him being able to contribute for at least 2 more years.

I did see that, but seems like mostly he's got some real buzz, and the rumor is out there that he's has a lottery promise(first saw that from KOC). For whatever that is worth.

Totally fair, and legitimate argument. He likely has a higher chance to bust, than Agabji or Liddell. His shot is obviously a concern, but I think his defense, and playmaking ability, get him on the floor fairly quickly. When you talk about unique skill set, there aren't a lot 6'10 players with his handle, playmaking, and defensive potential. Now does he have the mental toughness, and work ethic to make the most of that protentional? Who knows.

I have just always felt the optimal draft strategy, is you always take swings on those with the highest potential. One of the very few ways the Bulls can break out of their current tier, is they hit on an All-NBA talent, in the middle/late first. Not very likely. But you take the best chances you can. And in my eyes, that is Dieng if he is there.

Liddell is listed at 6'7", the same height as Draymond Green and Paul Millsap. His fg% is what it is because he does shoot from the perimeter a lot. He's got a very respectable 3 point shot, and he's also got a pretty good handle for a big man.

What I like about both he and Agbaji are their two way potential. Both can be plus defenders as well as being 3 point options on offense. We don't have many of those players on the team currently. In fact, Pat Williams, if he develops, is the only one, beside Lonzo.

Guys like Dieng or Jovic do have tantalizing potential, but I just think very few of these types of players ever amount to much in the nba. They are either two thin/weak, or their shot never comes around, or the skills they showed in Europe don't translate that well. It just seems like a real long shot, when with guys like Agbaji or Liddell, you know that you are getting guys that have nba ready skills and bodies, and that will at the very least, be solid rotation guys, which we are sorely lacking at this point. If it was easy just to pick up a bunch of good 3 and D players in FA, I'd be fine with that, but is that really the case?

If we ended up nabbing Boucher, Bamba or Hartenstein using the MLE, I wouldn't hate Liddell next to him.

[IWannaGoHIGHER]

Liddell is a undersized, 6'5.5" barefoot, PF/C. He does have a very noticeable defensive skill set, but is still a project on offense. Even after three years of college. Never shot over 50% from the field (as a big man). Again perhaps he's a solid role player, but he has limitations that imo, you can't look past. There are tweener wings/big man all over the NBA these days (Eric Paschall, PJ Tucker, Grant Williams, etc

Luckily basketball is played with shoes on. Tucker and Williams, specifically, played huge roles in getting teams to the finals the past two years. Grant Williams, at 6’6”, played 27 minutes/game in the playoffs switching all over the place. Draymond Green is 6’5.75”, he’s done pretty well.

Clever, but doesn't change my point my underlying point. Again, don't think he couldn't develop into a nice role player. Undersize tweener big men just aren't hard to find, especially with a still developing NBA offensive skill set (like Liddell).

Tucker/Williams, are all exceptions to the rule. For everyone one of them, there are dozens of other prospects which being undersized pushed them out of the league.

And if you're comparing Liddell to Green, that seems extremely optimistic. Very different skillset, Draymond is a unique case.