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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#101 » by 41Dirk41 » Fri Jun 17, 2022 7:30 am

BeiBeau wrote:I think the big questions for the offseason is what is Brunson's contact cost us. No way we can let him walk.

After that it's that TMLE. In order I want
1. Hartenstein
2. Otto Porter
3. Jalen Smith
4. Victor Oladipo
5. TJ Warren, if he passes a physical

I think Howard, Whiteside, Mcgee are worth it on the vet min.

Dragic is also a thousand percent worth it on the vet min.


Good names, we need ready exp players who can help us in PO for little stint.

The best moves are a trade for Grant and Hartenstein for the TMLE but some of that list are good too.
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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#102 » by BeiBeau » Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:09 am

41Dirk41 wrote:
BeiBeau wrote:I think the big questions for the offseason is what is Brunson's contact cost us. No way we can let him walk.

After that it's that TMLE. In order I want
1. Hartenstein
2. Otto Porter
3. Jalen Smith
4. Victor Oladipo
5. TJ Warren, if he passes a physical

I think Howard, Whiteside, Mcgee are worth it on the vet min.

Dragic is also a thousand percent worth it on the vet min.


Good names, we need ready exp players who can help us in PO for little stint.

The best moves are a trade for Grant and Hartenstein for the TMLE but some of that list are good too.


I’ve been high on a Wood trade for a while now because it’s an extremely position of need and I liked the price and offensive fit. But I have next to no interest in a Grant trade. At a certain point I want guys on this team who know Kidds system and work better off ball.

Dallas’ locker room and coaching staff will have enough work this year making sure Wood isn’t a black hole on offense, doesn’t try to iso a ton, and knows his role. Adding Grant to that who is another offenses black hole who thinks he is a number 1 is a bad idea.

Grant I guarantee would be a subtraction by addition situation. Dallas excelled with well defined roles and some of the best ball movement and defensive communication last year. We added wood who is our project piece will insane potential. Grant make no mistake would also be a project piece.
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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#103 » by arkuo » Fri Jun 17, 2022 8:37 am

People said the same things about Jerry Stackhouse prior to his arrival in Dallas. He managed to be a good guy during his time here.

We've seen how Kidd turned the team around and everybody bought in and played defense. If Wood buys into the team, Kidd will turn him into his version of Kenyon Martin with an occassional jumpshot. If it doesnt work, he is an expiring contract. That is a low risk high reward move.
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Post#104 » by ejs78 » Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:36 pm

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Post#105 » by Mavrelous » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:06 pm

Lonnie Walker IV is a wing I'd like to explore signing, long athletic, learned fundamentals under Pop, had a down shooting year last year.
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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#106 » by 41Dirk41 » Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:10 pm

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Post#107 » by SOUNDCHASER » Sat Jun 18, 2022 3:59 am

Dragic still can do the job so I am ok with him at the min and for Luka to have a mentor. The need for more size and a defensive capable center is still huge and Wood is not solving that issue. I would look to get a 2nd round pick to get a guy to develop and maybe get a guy who is willing to come here as a free agent who can defend from the 5 because I honestly I see wood as a PF and not a center. Drafting a center with a pick is ok there are a few but Kofi is the one I would target. You can stash him in Frisco if need be on a 2 way and then bring him along slow and make him win his minutes but he looks like a heavy load that can move and put a body on you when it is needed
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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#108 » by BeiBeau » Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:31 am

SOUNDCHASER wrote:Dragic still can do the job so I am ok with him at the min and for Luka to have a mentor. The need for more size and a defensive capable center is still huge and Wood is not solving that issue. I would look to get a 2nd round pick to get a guy to develop and maybe get a guy who is willing to come here as a free agent who can defend from the 5 because I honestly I see wood as a PF and not a center. Drafting a center with a pick is ok there are a few but Kofi is the one I would target. You can stash him in Frisco if need be on a 2 way and then bring him along slow and make him win his minutes but he looks like a heavy load that can move and put a body on you when it is needed


They don’t need to buy a 2nd. Cockburn isn’t gonna get drafted they can just sign him. It doesn’t really matter if he’s huge, it won’t help against dudes like Nikola Jokic or Embiid because both of them have guard skill sets and will just take him out to the perimeter and exposed him. Cockburn’s only use in the NBA would be guarding big body centers who have the tendency to dominate the offensive glass like Gobert, Drummond, Adams. But even then playing Cockburn to stop some of the least threatening players in the league on offense doesn’t make since because he will be a liability on switches.
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Post#109 » by SOUNDCHASER » Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:03 am

true that is why we have wood for those kind of matchups I want him because he is intimidating and can help us against the matchups that we have problems with by keeping people from driving into the paint like GSW did. Looney was tearing us up and that would not happen with a real center in there to protect the paint. I am not worried about Jokic and EMbiid as the main teams we need to worry about. If we have Wood in there to play the PF and an enforcer type in there to protect the rim we can match up with anyone
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Post#110 » by Apz » Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:19 am

SOUNDCHASER wrote:true that is why we have wood for those kind of matchups I want him because he is intimidating and can help us against the matchups that we have problems with by keeping people from driving into the paint like GSW did. Looney was tearing us up and that would not happen with a real center in there to protect the paint. I am not worried about Jokic and EMbiid as the main teams we need to worry about. If we have Wood in there to play the PF and an enforcer type in there to protect the rim we can match up with anyone


but if u put an enforcer on the court u play 4 vs 5 in offense. While if u play a guy like wood u bring their big out of their paint. If u got an enforcer, they switch and brings him out of the paint. Gobert makes 46m/year and wouldnt even play if he didnt make too much to bench in the po. Ayton were also slaughtered. Noone of the last 4 teams had some giant enforcer big, so the formula would evidently be that its worse
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Post#111 » by Darren » Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:23 am

It seems to me that the Mavs is still looking to trade for Turner. But the Mavs can't put up a reasonable offer to entice Pacers.

Something weird is that Turner openly claim to stay but Pacers seem to determine to move on from Turner. Turner's injury could be more serious than people think.
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Post#112 » by Darren » Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:27 am

I can understand Dragic pursuit especially due to the potentially leaving Brunson or Dinwiddle trade. And Dragic can play 1-2 season until Ntilikina assumes a backup 1 role. It makes more sense than paying Dinwiddle 16M as a backup who can be consistent contributor on playoff series.
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Post#113 » by Darren » Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:37 am

I think the Mavs has to prepare for frontcourt pair issue. Powell, Kleber and Wood are expiring. After this offseason, the Mavs has to end up with two major frontcourt rotation pieces. Preferably both frontcourt pieces can block shots like RobW and Horford. Then, GSW's pick-n-roll won't be that deadly.

Potentially, Wood can be one. Defense is all about effort, footspeed, size and smartness. Wood actually just lacks effort.
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Post#114 » by Darren » Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:41 am

You never know about Maxi. Whether or not Maxi could have the footspeed back is up to air. So I think the Mavs has to target undrafted athletic freaks filling the defensive need somewhat. A DJ M'Benga clone could be ideal. Only Hartenstein is available. But if Orlando offers Bamba a QO, I can see the Mavs trading for Mo Bamba by deadline.
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Re: Offseason Targets 

Post#115 » by BeiBeau » Sun Jun 19, 2022 8:11 am

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SOUNDCHASER wrote:true that is why we have wood for those kind of matchups I want him because he is intimidating and can help us against the matchups that we have problems with by keeping people from driving into the paint like GSW did. Looney was tearing us up and that would not happen with a real center in there to protect the paint. I am not worried about Jokic and EMbiid as the main teams we need to worry about. If we have Wood in there to play the PF and an enforcer type in there to protect the rim we can match up with anyone


but if u put an enforcer on the court u play 4 vs 5 in offense. While if u play a guy like wood u bring their big out of their paint. If u got an enforcer, they switch and brings him out of the paint. Gobert makes 46m/year and wouldnt even play if he didnt make too much to bench in the po. Ayton were also slaughtered. Noone of the last 4 teams had some giant enforcer big, so the formula would evidently be that its worse


Thats a big reason why Hartenstein would be a massive help even if he's only playing 20 off the bench. He's big bodied, strong, moves his feet well, and if you leave him uncovered he will hit his shots most of the time.
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Post#116 » by SOUNDCHASER » Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:36 am

that is a good point HStein does hit the 3 well enough to draw coverage.

A guy like Kofi is going to be undrafted because everyone is thinking a certain way now and I think you need to gamble and take chances especially when it is someone that you can get without using a pic.

If Orlando Robinson goes undrafted I would like him for his shooting skill as a center also.

I kind of think he will be taken in the 2nd but if he and Kofi are there after the draft I'd take a chance at developing them both and letting them have a shot.

Orlando at the 4 Kofi at the 5 and after they prove themselves Wood at the 3 is a big front court that I think would do a lot of damage but odds are we would probably only be lucky to find one big undrafted guy that can fit on the team if even that.

They say you miss 100% of the shots you fail to take and with our need at the 5 you should bring in as many centers as you can talk into trying out.

Of course Boban at the 5 Kristaps at the 4 and Kleeber at the 3 was supposed to work also LOL.

I do think Wood is a good pickup but not for center unless we are small balling it. He can play center then but the true position for him is a 4/3 role.

Ayton Gobert Embiid Val AD and KAT they all could make us pay with Wood Powell and even Kleeber in there.

I am starting to trust what the MBT is doing now but they still have a ways to go before I am fully trusting the plan. I need more size that can defend the rim.
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Post#117 » by BeiBeau » Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:13 am

SOUNDCHASER wrote:that is a good point HStein does hit the 3 well enough to draw coverage.

A guy like Kofi is going to be undrafted because everyone is thinking a certain way now and I think you need to gamble and take chances especially when it is someone that you can get without using a pic.

If Orlando Robinson goes undrafted I would like him for his shooting skill as a center also.

I kind of think he will be taken in the 2nd but if he and Kofi are there after the draft I'd take a chance at developing them both and letting them have a shot.

Orlando at the 4 Kofi at the 5 and after they prove themselves Wood at the 3 is a big front court that I think would do a lot of damage but odds are we would probably only be lucky to find one big undrafted guy that can fit on the team if even that.

They say you miss 100% of the shots you fail to take and with our need at the 5 you should bring in as many centers as you can talk into trying out.

Of course Boban at the 5 Kristaps at the 4 and Kleeber at the 3 was supposed to work also LOL.

I do think Wood is a good pickup but not for center unless we are small balling it. He can play center then but the true position for him is a 4/3 role.

Ayton Gobert Embiid Val AD and KAT they all could make us pay with Wood Powell and even Kleeber in there.

I am starting to trust what the MBT is doing now but they still have a ways to go before I am fully trusting the plan. I need more size that can defend the rim.


Robinson and Cockburn are fine on the summer league roster. But sim chance that they make the roster and next to no chance they make it into the playoff rotation. Wood can play the 4 but he’s no where near a 3. 5 is his best roll because he’s a offensive miss match. As long as he makes good switches and puts in effort he will be a sizable upgrade over Powell on the defensive end.

Wood is perfect for guarding dudes like AD and Towns because they have guard skills and he moves his feet really well. I have no worries about him locking up Embiid and Jokic because no one on earth can lock them up. The question is can Wood rebound well enough to prevent the other team from feasting on the offensive glass? Probably. And can he rim protect better then Powell? Yes. And is he a 3 level scorer with great efficiency on good volume? Yes.
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Post#118 » by arkuo » Mon Jun 20, 2022 10:17 am

Mavs dont need to worry about bigs too much. Woods can handle those duties well enough. Powell and Kleber were able to get them past Utah and Phoenix all the way to the WCF. Draymond didnt do ****. It's Steph, Poole, Klay and Wiggins that buried them toward's the gentleman's sweep. If anything, they have to figure out how to play Brunson and Doncic together because those two cant defend. And if they are here long term, then a solution has to be made to add an elite wing defender. That's the missing piece IMO.

Majority of the cap is tied on players who cant defend. Luka, Brunson, Dinwiddie, THJ and Bertans. That's the glaring need now. Woods will be fine. Which is why I'm afraid the team will get desperate and go after Jerami Grant. because the likes of Marcus Smart or Jrue Holiday are not available. You add another lengthy defender and it changes the dynamics. Grant can take care of forwards. DFS can take care of wings and guards. Bullock can focus on guards that Brunson cant guard. Im not liking Grant too much, but it may be the move available to get you past the WCF. He's UFA 2023 same as Powell, Kleber and Woods. So if it doesnt work, there is flexibility there.

Dinwiddie + Green matches up with Grant salary wise. Detroit is on the hunt of another ball handler to help Cunningham. Dinwiddie is exactly that. Just have Dallas keep Brunson, send out Dinwiddie, then replace him with Dragic or sign Gary Harris to the TMLE if he's desperate to revive his career.
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Post#119 » by LAL1947 » Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:22 pm

Looking around the league at some young PG/SG type players who might be get-able in case Brunson walks... I like the potential fit of DeAnthony Melton alongside Luka. Not as a guaranteed starter but somewhere in the rotation for the two guard spots.
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Post#120 » by Maverick41 » Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:03 pm

LAL1947 wrote:Looking around the league at some young PG/SG type players who might be get-able in case Brunson walks... I like the potential fit of DeAnthony Melton alongside Luka. Not as a guaranteed starter but somewhere in the rotation for the two guard spots.

Absolutely but I'm not sure how to get him. He's a good player on a good contract and they'll likely need him if Tyus walks.

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