2021-22 NBA Season Discussion

[eminence]

Where are folks anticipating Jokic winds up in the peaks project and where he starts getting discussed?

There seems to be strong pushback to current Curry being a reasonable choice over him this season, which to me would indicate a different level from the peak Dirk/Kobe types of the world would seem to be the consensus. Can Jokic make a push for top 10? Higher? Will he get brought up in thread #1?

Wait are you saying that if 2022 was Curry's peak that it belongs in the discussion at 1? Because you seem to be suggesting that you believe Curry was as good or better than Jokic this year and that Jokic this year belongs in top 10 peaks?

That doesn't seem right to me, but man the Curry talk the past couple weeks on this board has been pretty wild so maybe I'm the guy way off base. But I don't have this year of Curry to be one of the ten best seasons of all-time or really even close to it. He had a great season to be sure, but historical? I'm just not seeing that.

Nope.

I'm saying Curry this season was comparable to the Kobe/Dirk peaks (guys around #20 of the last peak project, with some leeway). I think you could argue pretty much any order between the 3 of Kobe/Dirk/'22 Steph.

There seems to be a majority of posters who are pushing that Jokic was on a different level from Curry. To me that would at least imply top 10 (I'd have this version of Steph and Jokic both somewhere between 15 and 25 I'd guess).

[Texas Chuck]

This Atkinson backtrack is sure a bad look on him. So Kerr must have told him he's leaving in a year or two and the org must have promised him the job will be his. Because he's burned bridges not just with the Hornets but across the league with that move.

Rough on the Hornets who now have to go back to a guy they already passed over or start all over again and all of this with 2 lottery picks and free agency right around the corner not knowing who their coach is.

Not a great look here at all.

[eminence]

Huh, I don't remember anything like that Atkinson thing.

Agreed, bad look if he's hoping to ever leave the Warriors.

[falcolombardi]

Where are folks anticipating Jokic winds up in the peaks project and where he starts getting discussed?

There seems to be strong pushback to current Curry being a reasonable choice over him this season, which to me would indicate a different level from the peak Dirk/Kobe types of the world would seem to be the consensus. Can Jokic make a push for top 10? Higher? Will he get brought up in thread #1?

Wait are you saying that if 2022 was Curry's peak that it belongs in the discussion at 1? Because you seem to be suggesting that you believe Curry was as good or better than Jokic this year and that Jokic this year belongs in top 10 peaks?

That doesn't seem right to me, but man the Curry talk the past couple weeks on this board has been pretty wild so maybe I'm the guy way off base. But I don't have this year of Curry to be one of the ten best seasons of all-time or really even close to it. He had a great season to be sure, but historical? I'm just not seeing that.

Nope.

I'm saying Curry this season was comparable to the Kobe/Dirk peaks (guys around #20 of the last peak project, with some leeway). I think you could argue pretty much any order between the 3 of Kobe/Dirk/'22 Steph.

There seems to be a majority of posters who are pushing that Jokic was on a different level from Curry. To me that would at least imply top 10 (I'd have this version of Steph and Jokic both somewhere between 15 and 25 I'd guess).

i thought jokic regulat season was up there with almost anyone best regular seasons in history

evaluating his playoffs is trickier (he was awesome offensively the last 3 games, ok the first 2 and is hard to evaluate his defense but the results suggest that st minimum he couldnt lift denver D whether it was teammates fault or his own) on top of, you know, it being a single series which makes it even harder to evaluate

[Homer38]

Huh, I don't remember anything like that Atkinson thing.

Agreed, bad look if he's hoping to ever leave the Warriors.

Josh McDaniels in the NFL in 2018 with the colts?

[eminence]

Huh, I don't remember anything like that Atkinson thing.

Agreed, bad look if he's hoping to ever leave the Warriors.

Josh McDaniels in the NFL in 2018 with the colts?

Don't really follow non-NBA sports that often these days, but yep, seems similar. Is it becoming somewhat common, or still a rare thing?

[Homer38]

Huh, I don't remember anything like that Atkinson thing.

Agreed, bad look if he's hoping to ever leave the Warriors.

Josh McDaniels in the NFL in 2018 with the colts?

Don't really follow non-NBA sports that often these days, but yep, seems similar. Is it becoming somewhat common, or still a rare thing?

This is very rare!

[RCM88x]

I think this is huge for GS, he's been a massive part in their improved player development I think, for a team like them to have that kind of asset is massive.

On the other hand it makes Charlotte look like an ever bigger joke than they already did. Guessing they cheaped out on him.

[jalengreen]

Huh, I don't remember anything like that Atkinson thing.

Agreed, bad look if he's hoping to ever leave the Warriors.

https://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=2895999

billy donovan with the magic is all i can remember (although that was worse, i believe he actually signed the contract in that case and had to agree to not coach in the NBA for 5 years in order to get out of it)

[jalengreen]

I think this is huge for GS, he's been a massive part in their improved player development I think, for a team like them to have that kind of asset is massive.

On the other hand it makes Charlotte look like an ever bigger joke than they already did. Guessing they cheaped out on him.

reportedly it was for family reasons. i wonder if he was told he'd be the successor in golden state and kerr's planning on retiring soon though.

[Doctor MJ]

I think this is huge for GS, he's been a massive part in their improved player development I think, for a team like them to have that kind of asset is massive.

On the other hand it makes Charlotte look like an ever bigger joke than they already did. Guessing they cheaped out on him.

reportedly it was for family reasons. i wonder if he was told he'd be the successor in golden state and kerr's planning on retiring soon though.

Kerr's not old for a coach, is having a ton of success right now, and is committed to coaching Team USA in 2024. It would be very strange if Kerr walked away right now.

[jalengreen]

I think this is huge for GS, he's been a massive part in their improved player development I think, for a team like them to have that kind of asset is massive.

On the other hand it makes Charlotte look like an ever bigger joke than they already did. Guessing they cheaped out on him.

reportedly it was for family reasons. i wonder if he was told he'd be the successor in golden state and kerr's planning on retiring soon though.

Kerr's not old for a coach, is having a ton of success right now, and is committed to coaching Team USA in 2024. It would be very strange if Kerr walked away right now.

i didn't know about his team USA committment, but i wouldn't be surprised at all (and in fact, i learn towards expecting it) if kerr retires earlier than people would expect simply by age. he has nine nba titles, nothing left to prove, and i know he had back problems for a while due to complications with surgery and back problems tend to linger. no idea how he's doing now - hopefully well, of course, but i wouldn't be shocked if he wanted an early retirement. or maybe to step away into a less involved role at some point.

[Doctor MJ]

reportedly it was for family reasons. i wonder if he was told he'd be the successor in golden state and kerr's planning on retiring soon though.

Kerr's not old for a coach, is having a ton of success right now, and is committed to coaching Team USA in 2024. It would be very strange if Kerr walked away right now.

i didn't know about his team USA committment, but i wouldn't be surprised at all (and in fact, i learn towards expecting it) if kerr retires earlier than people would expect simply by age. he has nine nba titles, nothing left to prove, and i know he had back problems for a while due to complications with surgery and back problems tend to linger. no idea how he's doing now - hopefully well, of course, but i wouldn't be shocked if he wanted an early retirement. or maybe to step away into a less involved role at some point.

I could certainly see his back doing him in, I just figure it would hard for Kerr to step away from the game before that actually happens.

[ardee]

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Since it seems to fit the discussion you two just had, I'm curious to read your thoughts on where this Warriors team ranks among title teams of the last 10-15 years.

Looking it more as a them vs the league than against the other champs. I think it comes down to how you weight the RS vs the POs, as they arguably had the weakest RS of any champ for the last 15 seasons, but also arguably had the 2nd best playoff run ('17 Warriors #1 duh).

Personally I'd probably have them a bit lower than that for playoff run, and slightly below average overall. Ahead of last seasons Bucks, the '19 Raptors, '10 Lakers, '12 Heat. So 11th I guess. Very contrasting season with the '08 Celtics who might be next in my 10th spot.

I'd be deciding between the '13 Heat and '18 Warriors for my 5th slot, '09 Lakers in 4th, '20 Lakers 3rd, '15 Warriors 2nd, and obviously '17 Warriors 1st.

What about the '16 Cavs? I would argue their Playoff run was actually the second strongest of the last 15 years behind the '17 Warriors. 12-2 against the East with a ridiculous point differential, and then beat a 10.4 SRS team in the Finals.

[eminence]

Since it seems to fit the discussion you two just had, I'm curious to read your thoughts on where this Warriors team ranks among title teams of the last 10-15 years.

Looking it more as a them vs the league than against the other champs. I think it comes down to how you weight the RS vs the POs, as they arguably had the weakest RS of any champ for the last 15 seasons, but also arguably had the 2nd best playoff run ('17 Warriors #1 duh).

Personally I'd probably have them a bit lower than that for playoff run, and slightly below average overall. Ahead of last seasons Bucks, the '19 Raptors, '10 Lakers, '12 Heat. So 11th I guess. Very contrasting season with the '08 Celtics who might be next in my 10th spot.

I'd be deciding between the '13 Heat and '18 Warriors for my 5th slot, '09 Lakers in 4th, '20 Lakers 3rd, '15 Warriors 2nd, and obviously '17 Warriors 1st.

What about the '16 Cavs? I would argue their Playoff run was actually the second strongest of the last 15 years behind the '17 Warriors. 12-2 against the East with a ridiculous point differential, and then beat a 10.4 SRS team in the Finals.

Somewhere 7-9 with the '11 Mavs and '14 Spurs I guess. Underwhelming RS mostly holding them back. I do think they have a pretty decent argument for #2 playoff run (with a couple of other squads, but #2 might be closer to #15 than to the '17 Warriors).

[ardee]

Looking it more as a them vs the league than against the other champs. I think it comes down to how you weight the RS vs the POs, as they arguably had the weakest RS of any champ for the last 15 seasons, but also arguably had the 2nd best playoff run ('17 Warriors #1 duh).

Personally I'd probably have them a bit lower than that for playoff run, and slightly below average overall. Ahead of last seasons Bucks, the '19 Raptors, '10 Lakers, '12 Heat. So 11th I guess. Very contrasting season with the '08 Celtics who might be next in my 10th spot.

I'd be deciding between the '13 Heat and '18 Warriors for my 5th slot, '09 Lakers in 4th, '20 Lakers 3rd, '15 Warriors 2nd, and obviously '17 Warriors 1st.

What about the '16 Cavs? I would argue their Playoff run was actually the second strongest of the last 15 years behind the '17 Warriors. 12-2 against the East with a ridiculous point differential, and then beat a 10.4 SRS team in the Finals.

Somewhere 7-9 with the '11 Mavs and '14 Spurs I guess. Underwhelming RS mostly holding them back. I do think they have a pretty decent argument for #2 playoff run (with a couple of other squads, but #2 might be closer to #15 than to the '17 Warriors).

Oh wow you're not high on the '14 Spurs either huh? Interesting, that team is so loved around here for their Playoffs, and deservedly so. They had the RS chops too. What are your thoughts?

[70sFan]

For all the praise Curry deserves after this title, I hope I will never hear anything about how underrated he is on RealGM. Right now, we have people ranking him inside top 6 after this one series. I've been hearing how much superior he is than someone like Magic and that Johnson was simply more fortunate team-wise.

[The-Power]

For all the praise Curry deserves after this title, I hope I will never hear anything about how underrated he is on RealGM. Right now, we have people ranking him inside top 6 after this one series. I've been hearing how much superior he is than someone like Magic and that Johnson was simply more fortunate team-wise.

Fringe opinions, especially right after the season ended, should not really be the basis for anything. A player could be underrated by the majority and still have stans saying outrageous stuff.

And to be clear: I'm not saying Curry was or is or will be underrated. I never really cared much for the term because it's so subjective. Underrated by whom, and compared to whom? But what a couple people write in the heat of the moment really shouldn't be the basis for how we perceive a player's rating.

[70sFan]

For all the praise Curry deserves after this title, I hope I will never hear anything about how underrated he is on RealGM. Right now, we have people ranking him inside top 6 after this one series. I've been hearing how much superior he is than someone like Magic and that Johnson was simply more fortunate team-wise.

Fringe opinions, especially right after the season ended, should not really be the basis for anything.

I agree. Do you think Curry is underrated here though?

[The-Power]

For all the praise Curry deserves after this title, I hope I will never hear anything about how underrated he is on RealGM. Right now, we have people ranking him inside top 6 after this one series. I've been hearing how much superior he is than someone like Magic and that Johnson was simply more fortunate team-wise.

Fringe opinions, especially right after the season ended, should not really be the basis for anything.

I agree. Do you think Curry is underrated here though?

See my edit. I don't like the term ‘underrated’ because it depends on which folks we look at and to whom we compare the player. I think Curry has been underrated by some parts of the basketball community (mostly those who dislike modern basketball and/or believe that small players just can't be that good) but not among the more serious commentators or the analytical folks, where he gets a lot of praise and is held in high regard. To determine whether he'll be underrated going forward, I believe we'll have to wait for the moment to pass and see where people ultimately end up with him.