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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread: Part Deuce 

Post#241 » by zoyathedestroya » Sat Jun 18, 2022 11:07 am

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The Comedian wrote:My biggest frustration with Tatum this series was his reluctance to pull up from three. All series he tried to make the “right play”, but the warriors were playing for him to drive, and they did an excellent job clogging the passing lanes and also recovering back out to the shooters. Sometimes the right play is taking the first good look available, sometimes it’s forcing shots. We saw KD/Kyrie do it, we saw Giannis do it, we saw Steph and Klay do it.

He had a legitimately crap series, and while I think the shoulder/fatigue played a part, Tatum also made it harder on himself. But this is the kind of crap that keeps teams led by 23/24 year olds from making deep runs. He failed in the finals, and hopefully it drives him to reach even another level, which I’d expect it to.

Hopefully he takes a month to just chill and decompress, he’s played the most basketball of any nba player the last two years, and by A LOT.


He shot 45% from 3 on 7 attempts per game. Should have shot at least 10 per game.

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ATB three was money. Pretty much the only thing going for him.
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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread: Part Deuce 

Post#242 » by bisme37 » Sat Jun 18, 2022 4:21 pm

Larry Bird, at 24-years-old, turned the ball over 19 times in the 1981 finals, shot 41.9%, and averaged 15.3 points per game. The Celtics won, but it was Cedric Maxwell who was the Finals MVP. Bird became a legend, and Tatum is still writing his story, but he’s already matched Bird on a few counts, so the early chapters are pretty good.


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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread: Part Deuce 

Post#243 » by sonnyhill » Sat Jun 18, 2022 10:20 pm

Jayson Tatum is a 1st Team All-NBA player who had a difficult finals series vs Golden State.

Tatum is young and he still has huge upside. Get a better point guard-facilitator on offense and watch Tatum's game further develop.

There is no shame in losing to the Warriors in the finals.
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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread: Part Deuce 

Post#244 » by return2glory » Sat Jun 18, 2022 11:35 pm

You have to wonder how much of that shoulder injury late in the Heat series impacted his shooting. Tatum is too good to play that bad in the Finals.
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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread: Part Deuce 

Post#245 » by KamikazeK » Sun Jun 19, 2022 12:44 am

sonnyhill wrote:Jayson Tatum is a 1st Team All-NBA player who had a difficult finals series vs Golden State.

Tatum is young and he still has huge upside. Get a better point guard-facilitator on offense and watch Tatum's game further develop.

There is no shame in losing to the Warriors in the finals.

No shame in it, but it kinda stinks that Giannis got to become a champion by beating up on the hapless Suns while we had to try to go through proven 3-time champs.
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Post#246 » by zoyathedestroya » Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:13 am

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Post#247 » by Feed Your Head » Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:19 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:Mama Deuce not pleased with y'all.
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I haven’t dug too deep, but I’ve been pleasantly surprised about what I’ve seen on Twitter/etc. Obviously there was a lot in the few hours after the game, but that’s just people being rightfully emotional. There is plenty of over the top negative stuff of course, but I thought it would be worse.

It seems more like general nba fans who have been obliterating him, from what I’ve seen. Mama Tatum is not one to bite her tongue lol.
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Post#248 » by London2Boston » Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:45 am

He had a rough finals for sure. But he got there(only Giannis from his generation can say they got there and won it really).

Combination of Wiggins absolutely stealing his confidence and clearly just being too fatigued to even try to battle through it. He will learn from it and still only Giannis is better than him in our Conference.
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Post#249 » by Ill News » Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:31 am

I went over Tatum's Instagram and trolls are flooding his old posts with trash talk, calling him turnover king or gutter-tier Kobe, and I just can't help but feel bad for him.

He has to use this as fuel for the upcoming seasons. He still lacks that "killer mentality," that ever-abstract thing we expect superstars to have. He's shown flashes of being a cold motherf*cker throughout his career (his Game 6 vs the Bucks will live on), but not quite consistently enough. Apart from improving other aspects of his game, he NEEDS to shed his complaining ways. It takes him out of his game too much, preventing him from getting into the zone he needs to take over a damn game. It's one of the main reasons why he had such a sucky finals.

I believe in him, and I have no doubt he'll be even better next year. Time for him to shut his critics up.
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Post#250 » by sonnyhill » Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:03 pm

If the Celtics cannot get another ball-handler on next season's roster, I do not see why the team could not run some off-ball "split-action" with the ball with either Tatum or Brown on the block (similar to what Golden State does with Green) and have Smart, White, Pritchard, Horford, Brown-or-Tatum moving off-ball and off-picks; Tatum or Brown (preferably Tatum) feeding the ball to moving-and-open players or just attacking the basket from the low block could be lethal to opposing defenses.

Also, exploiting more dribble-hand-off (DHO) action between the top-of-the 3-pt line and the top-of-the-key are other areas of the half-court offense where both Tatum and Brown should be able to excel.

Tatum, especially, has proven himself to be an excellent decision maker when challenged with double-team defense. Why only take advantage of this skill off of dribble-drive attacks to the basket?
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Post#251 » by bisme37 » Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:25 pm

@jaytatum0 These past 2 months you gave me the best Fathers Day gift a dad can ask for. Seeing you competing at the highest level and making history. Has been a dream come true. I know the competitive nature in you feel defeated and that’s natural. But you won in my eyes. Leading the league in playoff minutes, being 45% of your teams offense and taking the Golden State Warriors to game 6. LiL-J hold your head up kid. You won in every category except for the Finals. Now you know what it takes. Love you son I’m soooo proud of you!

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Post#252 » by Patsfan1081 » Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:19 pm

Ill News wrote:I went over Tatum's Instagram and trolls are flooding his old posts with trash talk, calling him turnover king or gutter-tier Kobe, and I just can't help but feel bad for him.

He has to use this as fuel for the upcoming seasons. He still lacks that "killer mentality," that ever-abstract thing we expect superstars to have. He's shown flashes of being a cold motherf*cker throughout his career (his Game 6 vs the Bucks will live on), but not quite consistently enough. Apart from improving other aspects of his game, he NEEDS to shed his complaining ways. It takes him out of his game too much, preventing him from getting into the zone he needs to take over a damn game. It's one of the main reasons why he had such a sucky finals.

I believe in him, and I have no doubt he'll be even better next year. Time for him to shut his critics up.


Unfortunately if you have success at a young age opposing fanbases will look for any chance to throw shade. Hopefully it does change some of his bad habbits, the closer mentality though isnt something easily developed in a year.
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Post#253 » by zoyathedestroya » Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:20 pm

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Post#254 » by gigantes » Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:50 pm

return2glory wrote:You have to wonder how much of that shoulder injury late in the Heat series impacted his shooting. Tatum is too good to play that bad in the Finals.
sonnyhill wrote:Jayson Tatum is a 1st Team All-NBA player who had a difficult finals series vs Golden State.

Tatum is young and he still has huge upside. Get a better point guard-facilitator on offense and watch Tatum's game further develop.

There is no shame in losing to the Warriors in the finals.

What do you all think about the Jays & coaching staff making it a top priority this offseason for both guys to work on their handles? I mean, maybe they've reached their ceiling in that regard, but it seems like if that one area could be improved, the Celts arguably fix perhaps their biggest issue, and are the team to beat.

Also, to me it would be almost *impossible* for the Celts not to grow out of this series loss and be that much better of a team, next season.

Btw, the trash directed at Tatum and whoever else is just ridiculous IMO, altho normal for sports fans I guess. I was rooting for them in the finals and have no regrets about them knocking off my team (the Nets).

Our team by comparison is a Frankenstein's monster that disregarded building culture-first around a young core, as yours did. The better team won IMO, and it's embarrassing to me the petty antics fans at r/GoNets are directing towards clearly the better team. That said, if Simmons fully recovers from his surgery, I'm hoping we can give you guys a better fight next season.
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Post#255 » by return2glory » Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:03 am

Ill News wrote:I went over Tatum's Instagram and trolls are flooding his old posts with trash talk, calling him turnover king or gutter-tier Kobe, and I just can't help but feel bad for him.

He has to use this as fuel for the upcoming seasons. He still lacks that "killer mentality," that ever-abstract thing we expect superstars to have. He's shown flashes of being a cold motherf*cker throughout his career (his Game 6 vs the Bucks will live on), but not quite consistently enough. Apart from improving other aspects of his game, he NEEDS to shed his complaining ways. It takes him out of his game too much, preventing him from getting into the zone he needs to take over a damn game. It's one of the main reasons why he had such a sucky finals.

I believe in him, and I have no doubt he'll be even better next year. Time for him to shut his critics up.


He shouldn't even read that. And don't feel bad for him. He is a 24 year old dude making $40 million a year, doing what he loves. We should all be that lucky. And he looks like he has a good head on his shoulders.
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Post#256 » by Bar Fight » Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:34 am

I think he should look at it all. Take it personal. Get **** mad. And not at the refs either.

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Post#257 » by Spin Move » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:49 pm

Looking at his shooting stats before and after the stinger, I think it has been a bit understated how much it affected him, not only physically buy psychologically in willingness to get all the way to the basket and trusting his ability to make shots. Hopefully he shakes this off and come back even stronger after a great season of improvements. He has figured out when to make the easy pass to his teamates so they can score, the next step is how to beat the double team when the time is right. He is just at the start of his prime. This was an unexpected trip to the finals and it did not go as planned but still a great learning experience, having made it this far should open up some better free agent options for the bench. Everyone is under contract and except for Al and Thies at an age when they should be getting better. Full steam ahead celtics.
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Post#258 » by zoyathedestroya » Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:03 pm

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Post#259 » by soxfan2003 » Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:23 pm

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Larry Bird, at 24-years-old, turned the ball over 19 times in the 1981 finals, shot 41.9%, and averaged 15.3 points per game. The Celtics won, but it was Cedric Maxwell who was the Finals MVP. Bird became a legend, and Tatum is still writing his story, but he’s already matched Bird on a few counts, so the early chapters are pretty good.


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Bird outplayed Maxwell by a large amount that series but for whatever reasons(s) voters decided to rob him of MVP.

Just a few stats.
Bird 13 more steals for the series. (14 to 1) Steals are one of the best predictor of who wins...unfortunately the Warriors got a lot more steals than the Celtics last series and literally that may have been why Boston lost the series
Bird 25 more assists for the series than Maxwell.
Bird 35 more rebounds for the series which is a lot in a 6 game series.
Both Bird and Maxwell had 19 turnovers so Maxwell had a relatively speaking large amount of turnovers for getting a lot less assists and only a few more points than Bird.
Bird had much more gravity than Maxwell that series and obviously for his career. Not gravity compared to today's tremendously spaced era but he was still the one taking a fair share out outside shots including a few 3's.

Many people even in their early 50's have this misconception of Bird's early years since they watched him a lot less on television or just don't remember. Bird his first two years in the league led the entire NBA in defensive win shares and he led the entire league 2 more times in that stat. Bird in 81 wasn't a super efficient scorer for that era compared to his MVP years but he was still finishing 2nd in the MVP based upon his all around play which including great defense. But it was really his passing that stood out the most on offense.

Regular season MVP Moses Malone only shot 40% that series and Bird and then Parish were the Celtics best defenders on that team. Maxwell/McHale/Robey for sure chipped in with the frontcourt defense.

Boston averaged a little over 96 points per game that series and Houston under 87. Houston normally scored 108 points per game during regular season so the Celtics really slowed down their attack and where slowed by Houston as well. The Celtics improved from 19th defensively to 4th the year that Bird was a rookie and playing without Parish and McHale on the team yet. Bird was never a shutdown man defender but he was a good one in those early years and a great help/team defender. And often help/team defense is just more important than individual defense since picks can be set. He knew which chances to take and not take and hustled back after taking an unsuccessful chance. Bird's relative lack of speed wasn't that big of a deal in early years since so few players were taking corner 3's, his quickness was a big edge on d.

Bird has certain had even before he got old and injured bad playoff series but he was a superstar in that series so it really is disgrace that someone posted a tweet who probably never watched the games or just has zero understanding of what wins/loses basketball games.

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Post#260 » by Bar Fight » Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:46 pm

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Can't wait for JT to laugh it up with him before/after we play them next season and reminisce on how funny it was when Draymond tried to rip his injured shoulder off.

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