The case of Chet Holmgren for the Magic

[FrightCoward]

The depressing thing about Chet is, as talented as he is, there is a significantly more talented big coming out next season in Victor Wembanyama, who grossly outplayed Chet despite being years younger than him. I just don’t think Chet’s “upside” is nearly what people make it out to be. He was old for a freshman, basically sophomore age, and played in a bad conference. Age is one of the biggest factors when deciding the upside for a player. Jabari was terrific as one of the youngest players in college last season, did it in a major conference, and has huge upside as a scorer and fits the modern game better than Chet.

[davey_wavy]

ummmm.. there's a lot of(or lack of to be exact) info about that link. However, I gott ask the biggest one, where is the "underwhelming" workout with us?

Just a common sense assessment based on the elongated extension of the workout. Look, the guy ain't giving out his medicals, even to #2, his buddy buddy plays with us, and for sheets and giggles he's on social media reposting footage of him and Suggs on the court together. Sometimes in life, not everything is a smokescreen, a distraction, mind trickery, etc. Sometimes it just is what it is, no games, and that's what you have here. We are drafting Chet- it's obvious

Uhhh.... ok????? I mean i would prefer something more with substance but i gotta keep up with the times i guess...

I understand wanting more substance, but this is that sort of situation where the signs, the signals, the gut, etc give you the answers without having to find an article about it. You don't need to be a reporter, insider, or draft expert to see the obvious

[RookieStar]

Just a common sense assessment based on the elongated extension of the workout. Look, the guy ain't giving out his medicals, even to #2, his buddy buddy plays with us, and for sheets and giggles he's on social media reposting footage of him and Suggs on the court together. Sometimes in life, not everything is a smokescreen, a distraction, mind trickery, etc. Sometimes it just is what it is, no games, and that's what you have here. We are drafting Chet- it's obvious

Uhhh.... ok????? I mean i would prefer something more with substance but i gotta keep up with the times i guess...

I understand wanting more substance, but this is that sort of situation where the signs, the signals, the gut, etc give you the answers without having to find an article about it. You don't need to be a reporter, insider, or draft expert to see the obvious

Lol.. ok remember that draft where we brought DSJr twice for workouts and interview and I think we really needed someone like him? I thought the signs were there as well...

I just stopped with it all. Less disappointments.

[FrightCoward]

Reports say Chet won't give his medicals to OKC. He's forcing his way here, and WeHam is all about it. Jabari's underwhelming workout made it easier to choose anyways.

Fultz/Anthony
Suggs/Harris
Franz/FA/ 2nd Rounder
Holmgren/Issac/FA
WCJ/ Moe/FA

Ross Gone
RJ Gone
Mo Gone
Lopez Gone

Schofield, Cannady, and Izzy don't count

That's your line up folks

We don’t know that Jabari’s workout was underwhelming. If anything, it could have been so good that they kept wanting to see more. I wouldn’t read into the time of the workout at all.

[AdamTheGreek]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.blazersedge.com/platform/amp/2022/6/17/23173312/chet-holmgren-portland-trail-blazers-nba-draft-withhold-medical-info

He did however do medicals with Orlando. Welcome home Chet

ummmm.. there's a lot of(or lack of to be exact) info about that link. However, I gott ask the biggest one, where is the "underwhelming" workout with us?

Just a common sense assessment based on the elongated extension of the workout. Look, the guy ain't giving out his medicals, even to #2, his buddy buddy plays with us, and for sheets and giggles he's on social media reposting footage of him and Suggs on the court together. Sometimes in life, not everything is a smokescreen, a distraction, mind trickery, etc. Sometimes it just is what it is, no games, and that's what you have here. We are drafting Chet- it's obvious

You’re reaching (hard) with these assumptions.

[ibraheim718]

Suggs posted this on his IG. Chet reposted it.

Read on Twitter

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Such a cool combination of players to have. It's the quintessential big guy/ little guy pairing where the little guy is so tough because the big guy behind him is so skilled. Add Franz Wagner to that and you have the makings of an extremely versatile trio who are really tough and super competitive.

[RookieStar]

ummmm.. there's a lot of(or lack of to be exact) info about that link. However, I gott ask the biggest one, where is the "underwhelming" workout with us?

Just a common sense assessment based on the elongated extension of the workout. Look, the guy ain't giving out his medicals, even to #2, his buddy buddy plays with us, and for sheets and giggles he's on social media reposting footage of him and Suggs on the court together. Sometimes in life, not everything is a smokescreen, a distraction, mind trickery, etc. Sometimes it just is what it is, no games, and that's what you have here. We are drafting Chet- it's obvious

You’re reaching (hard) with these assumptions.

Tbf, we have some other posters who reached even farther with Jabari....

[CZ Eddie]

I checked to see how Chet looked in his first year of college vs Tim Duncan.
Chet had the better numbers in most categories.
The categories where Tim was better were all by the slimmest of margins.

FG% Chet
2P% Chet
3P% Chet
FT% Tim @ .745 vs Chet at .717
Rebounds Chet
Assists Chet
Steals Chet
Blocks Tim @ 3.8 vs Chet @ 3.7
Turnovers Tim @ 1.2 vs Chet @1.9
Fouls Tim @ 2.5 vs Chet @ 2.7
Points Chet

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tim-duncan-1.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/chet-holmgren-1.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jabari-smith-2.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/paolo-banchero-1.html

I didn't realize Tim was so large.
6-11, 248lb
Very similar in size to Paolo who I used to think was too heavy.

[basketballRob]

I checked to see how Chet looked in his first year of college vs Tim Duncan.
Chet had the better numbers in most categories.
The categories where Tim was better were all by the slimmest of margins.

FG% Chet
2P% Chet
3P% Chet
FT% Tim @ .745 vs Chet at .717
Rebounds Chet
Assists Chet
Steals Chet
Blocks Tim @ 3.8 vs Chet @ 3.7
Turnovers Tim @ 1.2 vs Chet @1.9
Fouls Tim @ 2.5 vs Chet @ 2.7
Points Chet

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tim-duncan-1.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/chet-holmgren-1.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jabari-smith-2.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/paolo-banchero-1.html

I didn't realize Tim was so large.
6-11, 248lb
Very similar in size to Paolo who I used to think was too heavy.

Duncan was 17 his entire freshman season. Even Smith was a year older than him. He was 2 years younger than Chet. 1 1/2 years younger than Paolo.

I'm always big at comparing young players by age. Sorry

Plus I really think you need to look at what Chet did against the good teams.



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[I Rasharted]

The suitcase containing the case for Chet Holmgren on the Magic

[KillMonger]

don't go too far with the jokes....won't be able to backpedal if he's the pick and since things aren't clear cut he very well may be

[89Magicfan]

The suitcase containing the case for Chet Holmgren on the Magic

Chet might be the best player in this draft. You gotta look past the frame.

[BadMofoPimp]

don't go too far with the jokes....won't be able to backpedal if he's the pick and since things aren't clear cut he very well may be

If Chet is picked and ends up injured all the time, then this team may not be going anywhere except back to the draft. Plus, I question his conditioning ability to play 30mpg against NBA bigs for 82 games, much less 60 being he played 32 against smaller and mainly kids.

[89Magicfan]

don't go too far with the jokes....won't be able to backpedal if he's the pick and since things aren't clear cut he very well may be

If Chet is picked and ends up injured all the time, then this team may not be going anywhere except back to the draft. Plus, I question his conditioning ability to play 30mpg against NBA bigs for 82 games, much less 60 being he played 32 against smaller and mainly kids.

I just think y’all are getting to stuck on his frame/weight. Dude isn’t going to have this same body in 2 years playing in the NBA.

[BadMofoPimp]

don't go too far with the jokes....won't be able to backpedal if he's the pick and since things aren't clear cut he very well may be

If Chet is picked and ends up injured all the time, then this team may not be going anywhere except back to the draft. Plus, I question his conditioning ability to play 30mpg against NBA bigs for 82 games, much less 60 being he played 32 against smaller and mainly kids.

I just think y’all are getting to stuck on his frame/weight. Dude isn’t going to have this same body in 2 years playing in the NBA.

I disagree. His body type aka skin and bones is not the type that can put on weight. His legs are as skinny as my arms and I weight 170lbs so my arms are not massive. No doubt he has talent, but just don't feel he will last long due to injuries and conditioning.

[89Magicfan]

If Chet is picked and ends up injured all the time, then this team may not be going anywhere except back to the draft. Plus, I question his conditioning ability to play 30mpg against NBA bigs for 82 games, much less 60 being he played 32 against smaller and mainly kids.

I just think y’all are getting to stuck on his frame/weight. Dude isn’t going to have this same body in 2 years playing in the NBA.

I disagree. His body type aka skin and bones is not the type that can put on weight. His legs are as skinny as my arms and I weight 170lbs so my arms are not massive. No doubt he has talent, but just don't feel he will last long due to injuries and conditioning.

I’ve trained some high level athletes in my time. You are incorrect. Does he have the build to be like Zion if he was conditioned? No but he absolutely can get his body to a point where he’s strong, good muscle percentage and prevent injuries.

[BadMofoPimp]

I just think y’all are getting to stuck on his frame/weight. Dude isn’t going to have this same body in 2 years playing in the NBA.

I disagree. His body type aka skin and bones is not the type that can put on weight. His legs are as skinny as my arms and I weight 170lbs so my arms are not massive. No doubt he has talent, but just don't feel he will last long due to injuries and conditioning.

I’ve trained some high level athletes in my time. You are incorrect. Does he have the build to be like Zion if he was conditioned? No but he absolutely can get his body to a point where he’s strong, good muscle percentage and prevent injuries.

Have you ever trained an athlete that skinny? He isn't playing badmitton. He has to bang against NBA bigs for 30mpg for 60-82 games per season without twisting any ankles or blowing out a knee all while being conditioned to not be tired to commit too many fouls due to NBA pace.

[89Magicfan]

I disagree. His body type aka skin and bones is not the type that can put on weight. His legs are as skinny as my arms and I weight 170lbs so my arms are not massive. No doubt he has talent, but just don't feel he will last long due to injuries and conditioning.

I’ve trained some high level athletes in my time. You are incorrect. Does he have the build to be like Zion if he was conditioned? No but he absolutely can get his body to a point where he’s strong, good muscle percentage and prevent injuries.

Have you ever trained an athlete that skinny? He isn't playing badmitton. He has to bang against NBA bigs for 30mpg for 60-82 games per season without twisting any ankles or blowing out a knee all while being conditioned to not be tired to commit too many fouls due to NBA pace.

Absolutely. Trained first responders, athletes, that skinny. Seen some serious transformations. Seen some turn into straight monsters.

I was pretty thin in high school myself. I’m never going to be 240 plus but at 6 feet I’m pretty impressive. Granted I’ve been training for 25+ years but I out perform people half my age and suffer very small of injuries if any.

The key to injury prevention is little more in depth and specific to individual.

[BadMofoPimp]

I’ve trained some high level athletes in my time. You are incorrect. Does he have the build to be like Zion if he was conditioned? No but he absolutely can get his body to a point where he’s strong, good muscle percentage and prevent injuries.

Have you ever trained an athlete that skinny? He isn't playing badmitton. He has to bang against NBA bigs for 30mpg for 60-82 games per season without twisting any ankles or blowing out a knee all while being conditioned to not be tired to commit too many fouls due to NBA pace.

Absolutely. Trained first responders, athletes, that skinny. Seen some serious transformations. Seen some turn into straight monsters.

I was pretty thin in high school myself. I’m never going to be 240 plus but at 6 feet I’m pretty impressive. Granted I’ve been training for 25+ years but I out perform people half my age and suffer very small of injuries if any.

The key to injury prevention is little more in depth and specific to individual.

So, you trained pro athletes who play in the NBA level? I mean there is one thing with being able to play, but to withstand the rigors pounding on a bone thin frame for so often and so long, I haven't seen many last long. The vast majority never live up to expectations or rarely hit the court. I mean, Chets legs are beyond skinny to be banging with NBA bigs over those teenagers he is against in those videos.

People keep throwing up Garnett and Durant, but they were all 20 pounds heavier than Chet when they came into the NBA while Chet is taller and skinnier than those 2.

[tiderulz]

I checked to see how Chet looked in his first year of college vs Tim Duncan.
Chet had the better numbers in most categories.
The categories where Tim was better were all by the slimmest of margins.

FG% Chet
2P% Chet
3P% Chet
FT% Tim @ .745 vs Chet at .717
Rebounds Chet
Assists Chet
Steals Chet
Blocks Tim @ 3.8 vs Chet @ 3.7
Turnovers Tim @ 1.2 vs Chet @1.9
Fouls Tim @ 2.5 vs Chet @ 2.7
Points Chet

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/tim-duncan-1.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/chet-holmgren-1.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jabari-smith-2.html

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/paolo-banchero-1.html

I didn't realize Tim was so large.
6-11, 248lb
Very similar in size to Paolo who I used to think was too heavy.

Duncan was 17 his entire freshman season. Even Smith was a year older than him. He was 2 years younger than Chet. 1 1/2 years younger than Paolo.

I'm always big at comparing young players by age. Sorry

Plus I really think you need to look at what Chet did against the good teams.



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also, Tim didnt take a 3 pt shot his freshman year (or his sophomore year), so no need to include that stat.