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Craft your 2022-23 Celtics Roster – (20-Man Off-Season)

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Craft your 2022-23 Roster = Assume keeping Smart, Brown & Tatum

Horford
69
16%
Rob Williams
69
16%
Pritchard
61
14%
White
60
14%
Nesmith
38
9%
Grant Williams
67
16%
Theis
35
8%
Non-Guaranteed = Morgan - Stauskas - Hauser - Fitts
9
2%
Unsigned = Kornet - Thomas - Ryan
1
0%
Rookie/Other
20
5%
 
Total votes: 429

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Post#421 » by djFan71 » Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:08 am

BK_2020 wrote:Trade Theis, Nesmith, Pritchard Juwan Morgan, Stauskas plus a FRP for either Eric Gordon or Joe Harris.
Eric Gordon is more of a complete package but Joe Harris is elite from the three.
Nets have some excess wings so they might want to shed salary and get quantity depth in exchange for quality depth.

I kinda like the thinking. Eric Gordon caveat is he goes from fully non to fully guaranteed $20.9M for 23-24 if his team wins the title. Which, unfortunately, would be the goal.
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Post#422 » by CelticFaninLBC » Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:58 am

BostonCouchGM wrote:It’s laughable that people think Tyus Jones is an upgrade over Pritchard. I’m talking, not knowing a single thing about basketball laughable. Holy smokes. I want him traded so bad. Get him away from this fan base and Ime



Pritchard isn't good. Take the L man. This is nearly as bad as those who argued incessantly that Jaylen Brown was overpaid.
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Post#423 » by Sactowndog » Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:48 am

CelticsPride18 wrote:
165bows wrote:
31to6 wrote:
you're missing Rudy Gay if you're only going for this vintage of player.
Think we need half a generation younger, but admittedly I don't know who that is. Zoya???

If they stand pat, gotta do Bruce Brown for MLE, and Richaun Holmes into the TPE. Right ages, tough guys. Might not be the best team in the world but they'd be a tough, tough out.


Richaun Holmes has a domestic case pending. He would not be a good fit.


No he doesn’t. It was settled and he won. While it is easy to blame NBA guys Richaun is a damn good dad.
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Post#424 » by Sactowndog » Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:54 am

Celts17Pride wrote:Celtics Team needs

Scoring wing off the bench

Playmaking backup point guard

Frontcourt depth

How cheap are the Celtics owners going to be?


I am curious you don’t have a guard that can break down a defense and blow by people. I think Smart, White, Pritchard et al are all good guards but none have that lightning first step to get in the paint at will. To me not having that guy is the biggest problem on the C’s
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Post#425 » by Parliament10 » Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:16 am

Tentative Rotation, To Open 2022-23:
Starters: Smart - - - Brown - Tatum - Horford - R. Williams
Rotation: Pritchard - White - Kuzma - Grant - *Center*
20-Man : Nesmith - Hauser - Theis
Reserves: (Morgan/Thomas) - Stauskas - - Fitts - Kornet
Two-Ways: (Rookie/Thomas) - Ryan?
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Post#426 » by 165bows » Sun Jun 19, 2022 11:11 am

Sactowndog wrote:
CelticsPride18 wrote:
165bows wrote:If they stand pat, gotta do Bruce Brown for MLE, and Richaun Holmes into the TPE. Right ages, tough guys. Might not be the best team in the world but they'd be a tough, tough out.


Richaun Holmes has a domestic case pending. He would not be a good fit.


No he doesn’t. It was settled and he won. While it is easy to blame NBA guys Richaun is a damn good dad.

So what’s it going to take to get this guy to Boston. Let’s hash out a deal.
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Post#427 » by Sactowndog » Sun Jun 19, 2022 2:28 pm

165bows wrote:
Sactowndog wrote:
CelticsPride18 wrote:
Richaun Holmes has a domestic case pending. He would not be a good fit.


No he doesn’t. It was settled and he won. While it is easy to blame NBA guys Richaun is a damn good dad.

So what’s it going to take to get this guy to Boston. Let’s hash out a deal.


I think he is likely to be included in a trade swap with 4. Possible options are
Detroit: 5 and Grant for 4 and Holmes
Washington: 10 and Kuzma for 4 and Holmes
Knicks: 11 and Randolph for 4 and Holmes

Hard to say what might play out but Boston could get involved in that for Holmes.
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Post#428 » by Cricket23 » Mon Jun 20, 2022 1:31 am

What would it take to get TJ McConnell?
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Post#429 » by BK_2020 » Mon Jun 20, 2022 1:33 am

Cricket23 wrote:What would it take to get TJ McConnell?

A top 55 protected 2nd round pick and the willingness to pay $9 mil. a year for a 3rd string PG.
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Post#430 » by Cricket23 » Mon Jun 20, 2022 1:44 am

BK_2020 wrote:
Cricket23 wrote:What would it take to get TJ McConnell?

A top 55 protected 2nd round pick and the willingness to pay $9 mil. a year for a 3rd string PG.


Isn't he one of the true PGs out there though? Is he good enough to be 2nd string if White was moved?
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Post#431 » by BK_2020 » Mon Jun 20, 2022 1:53 am

Cricket23 wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:
Cricket23 wrote:What would it take to get TJ McConnell?

A top 55 protected 2nd round pick and the willingness to pay $9 mil. a year for a 3rd string PG.


Isn't he one of the true PGs out there though? Is he good enough to be 2nd string if White was moved?

He's a smart, gritty player who can cash in on opportunities with a good pass, but I just don't think that by itself is worth an MLE-level contract. For Indiana it may have been worth signing TJ since since they have trouble attracting free agents and makes sense to pay a premium for those who are willing to play there, but Boston surprisingly has been a decent FA destination.
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Post#432 » by hugepatsfan » Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:06 am

TJ McConnell has been on 4 playoff teams in his career.

In '17-18, he played 22.4 minutes per game for the 76ers. Went down to 15.5 in the playoffs.

In '18-19, he played 19.3 minutes per game for the 76ers. Went down to 8.3 in the playoffs and he only even played in 9 of their 12 games.

In '19-20, he played 18.7 minutes per game for the Pacers. Went down to 9.3 in the playoffs and he only even played in 3 of their 4 games.

In '20-21, he played 26.0 minutes per game for the Pacers. They didn't make the playoffs but they played two play-in games. I will be fair and acknowledge that he played over 20 minutes in both of those.

But there is a very consistent trend there. He's the type of guy you use for regular season minutes but have to sit in the playoffs. He is a short PG whose wingspan is actually negative to his height. As hard as he tries he's always going to be a guy teams can scheme against defensively in a playoff series. He can't shoot - career 32.7% on less than 1 per game, has never taken more than 1.2 per game in a single season... bad percentage on low volume = non threat. Guys who can't shoot and are hunted defensively can't play playoff minutes.

He'd bring a better all around game over Pritchard in the regular season but ultimately he's still a guy who needs to be booted from a playoff rotation. He's got a 3 year salary commitment and as a tax team you're talking about significant additional cost to the salary. It's just not a cost that you can justify asking ownership to pay for upgrading your 9th man in the regular season. Including luxury tax his 3 year deal could cost ownership like $75M for a non playoff rotation guy.
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Post#433 » by Hal14 » Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:11 am

Best shooting big man in the world who's not currently on an NBA roster?

Borisa Simanic. 6'11". Lights out shooter from 3. Can even hit 3's coming off screens and pin downs. Decent defender. Playing in Europe.

24 yrs old. So not eligible for the draft but a guy we could sign as a free agent to a cheap contract.

45% from 3 on 4.85 attempts a game in 2021-2022
47.8% in 2019-2020, 42.9% in 2020-2021

Bring him in for a workout, Brad!



He's always got this super serious/focused look on his face too. He means business!

This guy could be a solid player for us off the bench and we'd only have to give him like 2 or 3 mil a year.

He could make the all rookie team.
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Post#434 » by BK_2020 » Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:16 am

Hal14 wrote:Best shooting big man in the world who's not currently on an NBA roster?

Borisa Simanic. 6'11". Lights out shooter from 3. Can even hit 3's coming off screens and pin downs. Decent defender. Playing in Europe.

24 yrs old. So not eligible for the draft but a guy we could sign as a free agent to a cheap contract.

45% from 3 on 4.85 attempts a game in 2021-2022
47.8% in 2019-2020, 42.9% in 2020-2021

Bring him in for a workout, Brad!



He's always got this super serious/focused look on his face too. He means business!

Always wondered how these smaller leagues stay afloat selling like 50 tickets per game.
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Post#435 » by BostonCouchGM » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:01 am

hugepatsfan wrote:TJ McConnell has been on 4 playoff teams in his career.

In '17-18, he played 22.4 minutes per game for the 76ers. Went down to 15.5 in the playoffs.

In '18-19, he played 19.3 minutes per game for the 76ers. Went down to 8.3 in the playoffs and he only even played in 9 of their 12 games.

In '19-20, he played 18.7 minutes per game for the Pacers. Went down to 9.3 in the playoffs and he only even played in 3 of their 4 games.

In '20-21, he played 26.0 minutes per game for the Pacers. They didn't make the playoffs but they played two play-in games. I will be fair and acknowledge that he played over 20 minutes in both of those.

But there is a very consistent trend there. He's the type of guy you use for regular season minutes but have to sit in the playoffs. He is a short PG whose wingspan is actually negative to his height. As hard as he tries he's always going to be a guy teams can scheme against defensively in a playoff series. He can't shoot - career 32.7% on less than 1 per game, has never taken more than 1.2 per game in a single season... bad percentage on low volume = non threat. Guys who can't shoot and are hunted defensively can't play playoff minutes.

He'd bring a better all around game over Pritchard in the regular season but ultimately he's still a guy who needs to be booted from a playoff rotation. He's got a 3 year salary commitment and as a tax team you're talking about significant additional cost to the salary. It's just not a cost that you can justify asking ownership to pay for upgrading your 9th man in the regular season. Including luxury tax his 3 year deal could cost ownership like $75M for a non playoff rotation guy.


lol, too funny
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Post#436 » by snowman » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:56 am

I think it is really funny that for the first time in a long time, Brad has moved us off of the under 6 foot point guards, and at last made it back to the finals, mainly because of out defense. Now I hear a lot of what we need is a small pg to drive the paint. LOL That small point guard gets murdered on the defensive side of the court, and has been the main reason we haven't been able to get anywhere in the playoffs. I'll take an hard pass on 6 foot guards. Pritchard is a small as I will go, and only because he can shoot the lights out...sometimes. We have our limit of small guards at one. Thank you very much.
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Post#437 » by TSmith0197 » Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:18 am

Sactowndog wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:Celtics Team needs

Scoring wing off the bench

Playmaking backup point guard

Frontcourt depth

How cheap are the Celtics owners going to be?


I am curious you don’t have a guard that can break down a defense and blow by people. I think Smart, White, Pritchard et al are all good guards but none have that lightning first step to get in the paint at will. To me not having that guy is the biggest problem on the C’s


We had guys like that before in IT4, Kyrie, & Kemba before his knees went and they got picked on when on D. Ime more than likely doesn't want guys like that unless they can play D too. I don’t remember how good Fox is on D but Cs aren’t interested in giving you Brown for Fox. Brown isn’t going anywhere especially after the Finals he had.

I would like a guy like Brogdon who like White and Smart can play both guard position and are good defenders.
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Post#438 » by jonige94 » Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:40 am

I'd love Brogdon as well, but he's made of crystal, constantly injured
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Post#439 » by TSmith0197 » Mon Jun 20, 2022 1:04 pm

jonige94 wrote:I'd love Brogdon as well, but he's made of crystal, constantly injured

and @ 22 mill a year is a tough pill to swallow too.
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Post#440 » by hugepatsfan » Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:01 pm

Brogdon injury history is certainly concerning. Have to weight that. That being said, never once has he ever been unavailable to play for his team at the end of the year. This past year the Pacers shut him back down to tank after he returned to the lineup, but he was able to play down the stretch if they were good. One year in MIL he missed the starter of the playoffs before coming back in the second round (against us with Kyrie actually).

Two different scenarios:

1) It could just be by chance that none of his injuries happened in the playoffs.

2) His injury troubles are more load management through the regular season and being overly cautious with him.

If it's #1, that'd be very, very risky. If it's #2, we're a god enough team to load manage and he's someone you should pursue.

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