Name one prospect in your team’s draft range that you really don’t want and why

[toooskies]

I think they compliment one another with Braun being a lead ball handler and Agbaji the scorer. Both of them are shooters and finishers. There's a difference from what people can do and what they are required to do. Agbaji has quality passing skills as a shooting guard. He can pass as well as shooting guards have been required to pass in the NBA. He made plenty of championship level passes in college on the road to winning the national title. Braun may be a first round pick Agbaji is a first round lock. Allan Houston, Ray Allen, and Eddie Jones are amongst my comps for him. He plays more like a 90s style shooting guard that scores the damn ball and doesn't need to do so anything like a point guard in the center of the court, pick and roll, or any of that other stuff.

Agbaji's passing at the college level was worse than the outdated comps you have for him. No SG in the NBA should have an A/TO ratio below 1.

2.1 turnovers in 35 minutes as a senior is the most he ever averaged in college, and he did that as a scorer with a green light. LOL. Stop it. He's a very smart player and champion.

If you only get one assist per 10 points scored your NBA teammates will stop passing you the ball unless you're the best player on the team, and no one except you is projecting that from Agbaji.

[SelfishPlayer]

Agbaji's passing at the college level was worse than the outdated comps you have for him. No SG in the NBA should have an A/TO ratio below 1.

2.1 turnovers in 35 minutes as a senior is the most he ever averaged in college, and he did that as a scorer with a green light. LOL. Stop it. He's a very smart player and champion.

If you only get one assist per 10 points scored your NBA teammates will stop passing you the ball unless you're the best player on the team, and no one except you is projecting that from Agbaji.

Projecting what?

[DOT]

I see Agbaji as a souped up Reggie Bullock

In the right situation, he's a starter, just don't expect much besides off-ball scoring and solid defense

He's 21st on my board, but I think my more controversial take is I have Sochan 22nd. Sochan has a higher ceiling than Agbaji, and it's a really intriguing one, I'd say miniature Draymond, but he's gonna need to go to the right situation to unlock that potential. I see him mocked in our range a lot, but I don't think we're the right situation for him

Other than Sochan, I just don't want the Knicks to draft a C. We're probably losing Mitchell Robinson, but I don't think either Duren or Williams are worth a lotto pick for us when our biggest need is shot creation. I like both Duren and Williams as prospects (Duren more cause I lean more towards hypothetical upside, and Duren has a higher upside imo), but not for us

Other than that, I have no problems with any of the guys projected to be around when we pick. Even guys like Sharpe or Griffin, who have pretty big question marks themselves, I think 11 is a fine position to take those kinds of chances. If we were top 10, I might not risk it, but at 11, that's fine.

[Skybox]

I see a lot of people seem down on Adrian Griffin, but he's a very big body, with at the very least, above average athletic ability and he seems very willing to be a defender and wants it on that end, which is the biggest key to being a plus defender in my eyes.

Add that to extremely impressive shooting for a freshman, I think he's a good bet to be a very good player that can fit in basically every lineup and style, with at least a decent chance of developing into much more.

I dont think that we are watching the same guy...
We're talking about Duke's Griffen.

In no way does he have above average athleticism

For guys that are 6'6, 230ish, with a 7 foot wingspan? He's definitely a plus athlete overall, even if not overwhelming... He's posted a 40 inch vertical already at Duke camp. I think he's a little stiff for sure, but he's not lacking in tools.

But the point is, there are definitely guys who are plus defenders that are not good athletes at all. He might not be a DPOY, but if he has the desire and IQ to be a good defender, he will be. He's also shown much better athleticism at once time, that might still be recovering from when he was injured.

His downside is that he's probably not an offensive creator, but I don't think anyone really is around his spot, at least not without outlier development, which is hard to predict for anyone.

Griffin can really shoot and he's strong, but I haven't seen any explosiveness other than HS dunk tapes. Maybe he's still strengthening post-injury but that's a risk. He'll be a good player but, IMO...he's a Kyle Korver disguised in a body that LOOKS like Kawhi.

[K_chile22]

Max Christie > Agbaji

If you believe in the sitting Christie showed at lower levels (I do) then yeah hard not to agree. Think he's more disruptive on d, obviously younger, and has more juice of the bounce. About the same height and smaller wingspan tho

[NO-KG-AI]

I dont think that we are watching the same guy...
We're talking about Duke's Griffen.

In no way does he have above average athleticism

For guys that are 6'6, 230ish, with a 7 foot wingspan? He's definitely a plus athlete overall, even if not overwhelming... He's posted a 40 inch vertical already at Duke camp. I think he's a little stiff for sure, but he's not lacking in tools.

But the point is, there are definitely guys who are plus defenders that are not good athletes at all. He might not be a DPOY, but if he has the desire and IQ to be a good defender, he will be. He's also shown much better athleticism at once time, that might still be recovering from when he was injured.

His downside is that he's probably not an offensive creator, but I don't think anyone really is around his spot, at least not without outlier development, which is hard to predict for anyone.

Griffin can really shoot and he's strong, but I haven't seen any explosiveness other than HS dunk tapes. Maybe he's still strengthening post-injury but that's a risk. He'll be a good player but, IMO...he's a Kyle Korver disguised in a body that LOOKS like Kawhi.

If he ends up with anything close to Korver's agility, stamina, and fluidity running through and around screens paired with his strength and length, he'll be a stud. I wouldn't expect that kind of movement with his musculature and length though.

[JRoy]

I dont think that we are watching the same guy...
We're talking about Duke's Griffen.

In no way does he have above average athleticism

For guys that are 6'6, 230ish, with a 7 foot wingspan? He's definitely a plus athlete overall, even if not overwhelming... He's posted a 40 inch vertical already at Duke camp. I think he's a little stiff for sure, but he's not lacking in tools.

But the point is, there are definitely guys who are plus defenders that are not good athletes at all. He might not be a DPOY, but if he has the desire and IQ to be a good defender, he will be. He's also shown much better athleticism at once time, that might still be recovering from when he was injured.

His downside is that he's probably not an offensive creator, but I don't think anyone really is around his spot, at least not without outlier development, which is hard to predict for anyone.

Griffin can really shoot and he's strong, but I haven't seen any explosiveness other than HS dunk tapes. Maybe he's still strengthening post-injury but that's a risk. He'll be a good player but, IMO...he's a Kyle Korver disguised in a body that LOOKS like Kawhi.

Korver was always in motion on the perimeter. Griffin doesn’t look like that to me.

[Hoop Hunter]

Please no Griffin at 6th. With Pacers' injury history and Griffin's injury history, tendons would literally shoot out of his knee first day of training camp.

[JRoy]

Likewise for POR.

Please SAC step up and take one for the team(s)

[amcoolio]

My three at 13 and 15

Jalen Duren - gives me Wiseman with less shooting ability vibes, think he will get lost on defense and therefore won't play. Needs to go to a young team that will play him a lot. Not the Hornets.

Griffin - moves around very poorly, can't play defense and I think will fall out of the lottery. It would be a shame if he goes above Tari Eason. I would pass on him at 15

Agbaji - historically low playmaking/passing ability for a guard, reminds me of Sexton with much less finishing/passing ability, just not a fit for us

[King Ken]

For Atlanta, I am pretty open to most guys within this range. I am probably less for a center like Duren and Williams than a guard like Ochai and Jalen Williams. I am open to wings in this range as well.

[King Ken]

I see Agbaji as a souped up Reggie Bullock

In the right situation, he's a starter, just don't expect much besides off-ball scoring and solid defense

He's 21st on my board, but I think my more controversial take is I have Sochan 22nd. Sochan has a higher ceiling than Agbaji, and it's a really intriguing one, I'd say miniature Draymond, but he's gonna need to go to the right situation to unlock that potential. I see him mocked in our range a lot, but I don't think we're the right situation for him

Other than Sochan, I just don't want the Knicks to draft a C. We're probably losing Mitchell Robinson, but I don't think either Duren or Williams are worth a lotto pick for us when our biggest need is shot creation. I like both Duren and Williams as prospects (Duren more cause I lean more towards hypothetical upside, and Duren has a higher upside imo), but not for us

Other than that, I have no problems with any of the guys projected to be around when we pick. Even guys like Sharpe or Griffin, who have pretty big question marks themselves, I think 11 is a fine position to take those kinds of chances. If we were top 10, I might not risk it, but at 11, that's fine.

Mark me as someone who would like a suped up Reggie Bullock.

[LewisnotMiller]

Nikola Jovic. I think he's the bad kind of tweener defensively; not quick enough to guard the perimeter, nowhere near strong enough to guard the interior. And his offence is not good enough to compensate.

Good idea for a thread.

What the hell you talking about. No Nikola's have ever failed in the NBA. Jokic,Pekovic,Mirotic,Vucevic all off them had and having productive NBA careers. Jovic is the sure thing

Exactly. Nikola is an NBA-ready name. Nikoloz, not so much.

[tidho]

I really don't want the Cavs to get Agbaji and add to the logjam they have at shooting guard. Or Branham or Johnny Davis. If they get a guard, he needs to be a plus playmaker.

My short answer is Branham.

Reasons are the same. The team needs a long wing, the last thing they need is a SG when they've already got a logjam at the position even before the draft. His role completely overlaps with Sexton and his skillset completely overlaps with LeVert. I also don't see Branham as a plus NBA defender which means he isn't a good long term fit with Garland. Plus he doesn't have any position versatility.

Agree that I don't particularly want any of the three guys you mention, but Branham is easily the worst option of the three for CLE.

As an outsider I agree 100%. Mocking Branham to the Cavs always seemed like a lazy take on the Ohio connection.

In terms of Agbaji though, I don't think it'd be all bad if he went to Cleveland. At 6-6 he can probably cover a lot of SFs defensively, especially if he's got that Mobley-Allen frontcourt behind him. And the shooting should help a lot.

Although if you guys are looking for a plus playmaker in this draft then you might be out of luck, especially in that mid-1st range.

Looking at who they're reported to be looking at heavily it's half guys mocked around 14 (Davis, Eason, Branham, etc.) and half long wings mocked in the 15-25 range (Williams, Terry, Beauchamp, etc.). Seems like they're trying to identify someone capable of guarding SFs regardless if they're a shooter or playmaker.

Agbaji isn't a horrible choice, and he probably is capable of guarding some SFs. I'm still concerned about his age though, not because he's old but because I'm not sure his shooting is necessarily all that spectacular given he's a 4 year player.

[Cammo101]

Tor the Magic, please no Chet Holmgren. He's a very good prospect, but pretty redundant with what we already have and not the alpha scorer we desperately need.

[JRoy]

Tor the Magic, please no Chet Holmgren. He's a very good prospect, but pretty redundant with what we already have and not the alpha scorer we desperately need.

Would you say there is a player like that available in this draft?

[Cammo101]

Tor the Magic, please no Chet Holmgren. He's a very good prospect, but pretty redundant with what we already have and not the alpha scorer we desperately need.

Would you say there is a player like that available in this draft?

There's no megastar, but both Jabari and Banchero are both much better fits with what Orlando needs.

[JRoy]

Tor the Magic, please no Chet Holmgren. He's a very good prospect, but pretty redundant with what we already have and not the alpha scorer we desperately need.

Would you say there is a player like that available in this draft?

There's no megastar, but both Jabari and Banchero are both much better fits with what Orlando needs.

I can see that even if I don’t agree. Neither looks like a star to me.

[clyde21]

Tor the Magic, please no Chet Holmgren. He's a very good prospect, but pretty redundant with what we already have and not the alpha scorer we desperately need.

feels like all top 3 guys are redundant on the Magic tbh, if this was last year's class you would've taken Cade and ran.

[Cammo101]

Tor the Magic, please no Chet Holmgren. He's a very good prospect, but pretty redundant with what we already have and not the alpha scorer we desperately need.

feels like all top 3 guys are redundant on the Magic tbh, if this was last year's class you would've taken Cade and ran.

Positionally redundant maybe, but either guy would be the most talented scorer on the team and maybe the best outside shooter as well.

For sure on Cade. No one in the draft at his level.