This is OBVIOUSLY Steph's era- not Lebron's.

[HomoSapien]

James is easily the better player. Curry has easily had the more impressive career, IMO. If this ends with Curry having more rings, it’s going to be a major dent in the LeBron is the GOAT debate. How can you be the GOAT if someone in your own era out did you?

[Lakers824]

Drexler wasn't an all star in 95, was he?
What do their ages have to do with anything?,

[freypies]

It has been since 2014-15. All the major events that have occurred in the NBA since then have been dependent on Steph and the Warriors.

4 championships, 6 finals, 2 MVPs, 73 wins, the league's only unanimous MVP. Just insanely impressive stuff.

[zimpy27]

Reading over this thread

Warrior fans: Curry's era

Most everyone else: nah


It doesn't help that era is completely undefined. First you must define an era of time before you can claim who is the best in that era.

[dcstanley]

Where was this Curry is better than Lebron as Klay was healing and the warriors were in the lottery?

Curry was scoring like Jordan and Kobe producing a point total in a single NBA game higher than LeBron has ever had and passing LeBron in scoring titles.

Nobody actually believes Steph will be remembered as highly as Lebron for this era. It's nonsense.

When the numbers outlast the media narratives Steph will be remembered more highly.

You could take a decade off of Lebron's career and it would still be as impressive as Curry's entire career.

[dhsilv2]

Drexler wasn't an all star in 95, was he?
What do their ages have to do with anything?,

He was all nba that year...

[Pennebaker]

2 MVP
1 finals MVP

That's simply not enough. Steph still has a lot of work to do to catch up to LeBron.

[Rainwater]

James is easily the better player. Curry has easily had the more impressive career, IMO. If this ends with Curry having more rings, it’s going to be a major dent in the LeBron is the GOAT debate. How can you be the GOAT if someone in your own era out did you?

I disagree with this so much. I never understood why the rings argument is so emphasized when deciding the GOAT. If it was that important Robert Horry should be one of the best players in the game. Rings are an organization accomplishment not a player accomplishment. From the GM who put the team together to the teammates and role players that help in the victory. Curry would not have won a thing without Green, Wiggins, AI, Klay and maybe Durant (we will never know if they would have beaten a healthy Cavs with out him) and the GM that created the squad. All a ring says is that you had a better team not that you are a better player. Nothing proves this more than the 2015 finals where LeBron literally outplayed everybody on the court including Curry yet still lost because Curry had the better team.

And how does Curry have the more impressive career easily? Lol. This is what makes no sense to me. LeBron literally has every single accolade in the history of the game. LeBron will be in the top 10 in pts, assist and steals. Lead the history of the league in points scored. LeBron will have more All NBA's then Steph, more all-stars then Steph, and more defensive All-NBAs then Steph. In fact I don't think Steph has one, lol. LeBron has gone to the playoffs more than Steph. Has gone to finals more then Steph. LeBron has more regular season MVPs then Steph. More finals MVPs then Steph. More All-Star MVPs then Steph. And they still share the same amount finals victories. So other then being the best 3 point shooter in the history of the game what exactly makes Curry's career more impressive?!?!?

I agree Curry changed the game with his 3 point shooting and it came at the right time as analytics has become such a big part of the game; however, this doesn't mean the era did not belong to Bron. The cultural icon that Curry has become reminds me of Iverson. Not saying Iverson is better than Curry, we all know he is not. However, just like Curry Iverson too changed the game in the ISO era. However, that doesn't mean that period did not belong to Kobe and Shaq.

[HomoSapien]

I disagree with this so much. I never understood why the rings argument is so emphasized when deciding the GOAT. If it was that important Robert Horry should be one of the best players in the game.

And THIS is an argument I simply don’t understand. Robert Horry is a participant on his championship teams, not the focal point. To try and simplify an argument that much is disingenuous. Rings obviously aren’t the sole decider, but they absolutely come into play when you’re having a debate about greatness.

Rings are an organization accomplishment not a player accomplishment.

More than any player, LeBron James has operated as an organization. He’s jumped team to team, and tried his hardest to manipulate competition and coaching into his favor.

And how does Curry have the more impressive career easily?

He’s a guy who no one thought would be meaningful coming out of the draft, was perpetually injured in his career to the point where he couldn’t get a big contract extension, and then out of nowhere changed the game and was the figurehead of a dynasty. LeBron was supposed to be great, and has been but he’s also lost in the finals more than he’s won.

[moderndarwin]

Lebron is a loser at the highest levels and Steph is a winner. It matters. Lebron style ball lends itself to get embarrassed when facing great team move movement ball. He got lucky in 2016 with suspensions and dubs team collapsing at the right time but besides that one time usually these great teams are his bane. He can superpower over mediocre teams like few others but there is a limit to how great a lebron team can be because he diminishes others around him with his high usage style where these teams like Spurs and Dubs are greater than the sum of their parts.

[Gusto1903]

Where was this Curry is better than Lebron as Klay was healing and the warriors were in the lottery?

The same place, where Lebron after activating Playoff mode was

[Rainwater]

I disagree with this so much. I never understood why the rings argument is so emphasized when deciding the GOAT. If it was that important Robert Horry should be one of the best players in the game.

And THIS is an argument I simply don’t understand. Robert Horry is a participant on his championship teams, not the focal point. To try and simplify an argument that much is disingenuous. Rings obviously aren’t the sole decider, but they absolutely come into play when you’re having a debate about greatness.

Rings are an organization accomplishment not a player accomplishment.

More than any player, LeBron James has operated as an organization. He’s jumped team to team, and tried his hardest to manipulate competition and coaching into his favor.

And how does Curry have the more impressive career easily?

He’s a guy who no one thought would be meaningful coming out of the draft, was perpetually injured in his career to the point where he couldn’t get a big contract extension, and then out of nowhere changed the game and was the figurehead of a dynasty. LeBron was supposed to be great, and has been but he’s also lost in the finals more than he’s won.

Your take on Robert Horry is just proving my point, lol. My point was not to say that Robert Horry was some great basketball player because he has 9 rings. It was to provide context to your simplified idea that winning a title should be an overwhelming factor that hurts someone in a GOAT debate. As you clearly stated context is needed. And I believe the most important contextual point is that a title win is a TEAM accolade (dependent on how well the team is built) rather than an individual accolade; therefore, should be a lesser factor in the GOAT debate.

EX: Steph won two of his 4 titles with 3 other All-Stars and the title was pretty much guaranteed. With this known fact, why should this play a role in how good Steph is? GSW had a good chance of winning the title with or without him.

Yes, LeBron has acted like an organization and that is only because he was forced to. The Cavs literally wasted the first 8 years of the guys career building him nothing and there was little indication that was going to change (literally the best the Cavs got him were Boobie Gibson, Mo Williams and Larry Hughes and you expected him to win?). Frustrated, he took matters into his own hands and became his own GM. He didn't have the luxury of a Curry who had a GM that drafted, traded, and required F/A well. Either it was stick it out with out with the inept Cavs organization and be that great player who wins nothing or be the guy that looks like a ring chaser. Either way people were going to rag on him so he did what was best for his legacy.

Obviously we have different ideas of what is impressive. The mere fact LeBron was able to live up to the hype is impressive in itself. Do you how many guys have been hyped up since high school to be the next big thing just to be ok or forgotten. Ex: Wiggins was supposed to be the next LeBron. Deshawn Stevenson the next MJ. OJ Mayo, Oden (no fault of his own) Jabari Parker, and even Emoni Bates all likely to be forgotten. What LeBron has done is impressive.

And yes, LeBron has lost many NBA championships but just getting there is impressive and no easy task. In the 19 years in the league LeBron has been to more finals appearances then some organizations existence. If it's simple why can't evey organization even do it. Some great players have never even gone to a final.

[thebigbird]

James is easily the better player. Curry has easily had the more impressive career, IMO. If this ends with Curry having more rings, it’s going to be a major dent in the LeBron is the GOAT debate. How can you be the GOAT if someone in your own era out did you?

“Curry has easily had the more impressive career”

Lmao. Get real, dude.

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[DroseReturnChi]

What did lebron ever win without 1-2 all stars next to him?

What did Curry ever win without 1-2 all stars next to him?

Averaged a 50 win pace in the games he played (mutilated without him) on 32/6/6 with a 66% TS; Lebron calling him the clear MVP of the league. He had arguably the best 3 month stretch in modern NBA history. Oubre was a selfish wrench even he could not fix, unfortunately.

Nobody in the modern game was won without an All Star level player (actually voted as such or not) or two next to them. But Curry came as close as you can get this season.

does lebron actually think he is mvp or is he just trynig to recruit him and say nice words? curry was useless yrs ago he had to fake injuries. he shot in the 20s as well which made me think hes declining and he shot the worst %. curry still proved he can be best player in the series but hes inconsistent and cant even do it for 82 games and playoffs. kawhi leonard, lebron delievers 24/7 as long as they are healthy.

[BoatsNZones]

What did Curry ever win without 1-2 all stars next to him?

Averaged a 50 win pace in the games he played (mutilated without him) on 32/6/6 with a 66% TS; Lebron calling him the clear MVP of the league. He had arguably the best 3 month stretch in modern NBA history. Oubre was a selfish wrench even he could not fix, unfortunately.

Nobody in the modern game was won without an All Star level player (actually voted as such or not) or two next to them. But Curry came as close as you can get this season.

does lebron actually think he is mvp or is he just trynig to recruit him and say nice words? curry was useless yrs ago he had to fake injuries. he shot in the 20s as well which made me think hes declining and he shot the worst %. curry still proved he can be best player in the series but hes inconsistent and cant even do it for 82 games and playoffs. kawhi leonard, lebron delievers 24/7 as long as they are healthy.

You're the reason why all citizens should not be allowed to vote.

[ch434355]

Where was this Curry is better than Lebron as Klay was healing and the warriors were in the lottery?

Curry was scoring like Jordan and Kobe producing a point total in a single NBA game higher than LeBron has ever had and passing LeBron in scoring titles.

Nobody actually believes Steph will be remembered as highly as Lebron for this era. It's nonsense.

When the numbers outlast the media narratives Steph will be remembered more highly.

Media narratives? Lebron has been considered an egotistical villainous prima donna for much of his career. Steph is currently known as the humble superstar. THOSE are the narratives that will fade with time, and it will become clear with objective data that Lebron had a superior career.

[Onus]

Your take on Robert Horry is just proving my point, lol. My point was not to say that Robert Horry was some great basketball player because he has 9 rings. It was to provide context to your simplified idea that winning a title should be an overwhelming factor that hurts someone in a GOAT debate. As you clearly stated context is needed. And I believe the most important contextual point is that a title win is a TEAM accolade (dependent on how well the team is built) rather than an individual accolade; therefore, should be a lesser factor in the GOAT debate.

If championships are not an indicator then Wilt is the GOAT by far and it's not close.

EX: Steph won two of his 4 titles with 3 other All-Stars and the title was pretty much guaranteed. With this known fact, why should this play a role in how good Steph is? GSW had a good chance of winning the title with or without him.

This absolutely false. The Warriors were barely above .500 when it was KD, Klay, Dray. They did not have a good chance to win without Steph.

[Kobe187]

Both have 4 Championships, LeBron imo is the better overall player but he had to jump teams and join/recruit superstars to win his 4 whereas Curry did it with 1 franchise. KD did come in for 2 of Curry’s tittle’s but LeBron also had Wade+Bosh, Kyrie+Love and Anthony Davis. Both players are trending in the opposite direction, this was a dismal season for LeBron who’s in serious jeopardy of dropping out of the top 3, whereas Curry had an amazing year and is about to break into the top 10. The next couple of years will be huge in determining who this Era truly belonged to.

[thebigbird]

Both have 4 Championships, LeBron imo is the better overall player but he had to jump teams and join/recruit superstars to win his 4 whereas Curry did it with 1 franchise. KD did come in for 2 of Curry’s tittle’s but LeBron also had Wade+Bosh, Kyrie+Love and Anthony Davis. Both players are trending in the opposite direction, this was a dismal season for LeBron who’s in serious jeopardy of dropping out of the top 3, whereas Curry had an amazing year and is about to break into the top 10. The next couple of years will be huge in determining who this Era truly belonged to.

LeBron is in serious jeopardy of dropping out of the top 3 because *checks notes* he missed the playoffs in his 19th season while dealing with injuries but still averaging 30 ppg on great efficiency. Good grief.

[DonaldSanders]

The argument for Steph only works if he has more chips, LeBron has done more in total besides championships, no need to cover that part. But if Steph can get 5 or 6, it's a legit conversation, especially if Steph can get 6 and LeBron ends at 4. If you can make better teams around Curry which results in more championships, then he's the better overall player even if LeBron has more individual accolades.

Everyone talks about Curry's gravity as being important, but what is often missed is that Steph's skills on offense allow for a team of defensive players to surround him. Because Steph is such a threat off ball and makes his defenders use energy, it allows for a team packed with defensive players in a way that can't be done with LeBron. It's why the Warriors can play Draymond, Looney, and GPII at the same time and it still works.

If the chips are the same LeBron is clearly better, if it's 5 we have a real argument, if it's 6 then it's Steph.