Your 2022 NBA Draft Prospect

[Play007]

I'm really starting to believe this is a 4 player draft with a bunch of nice roleplayers.
Short of dealing any future unprotected picks I think Weaver should be open to dealing any other asset to move up to #4 on Thursday. This might be their best chance to add a second franchise piece next to Cade.

This narrative happens with almost every draft and is wrong more often than it's right. The chances of the 4 "consensus" players being the 4 best players after all is said and done is very low. This particular draft is even more of a crapshoot than most IMO.

100% agree. Just in the last draft, the 4 "consensus" players were Cade, Green, Mobley, and Suggs, guess who won the rookie of the year award at the end?

[Manocad]

I'm really starting to believe this is a 4 player draft with a bunch of nice roleplayers.
Short of dealing any future unprotected picks I think Weaver should be open to dealing any other asset to move up to #4 on Thursday. This might be their best chance to add a second franchise piece next to Cade.

This narrative happens with almost every draft and is wrong more often than it's right. The chances of the 4 "consensus" players being the 4 best players after all is said and done is very low. This particular draft is even more of a crapshoot than most IMO.

100% agree. Just in the last draft, the 4 "consensus" players were Cade, Green, Mobley, and Suggs, guess who won the rookie of the year award at the end?

The guy actually picked 4th which tells me that GM's sometimes know better than everyone else.

To be fair though, I think Barnes was projected at 5 in most mock drafts. It seemed like it was really more a consensus top 3; Suggs wasn't projected any higher than 4th in any mocks from what I recall, i.e. there was more of a perceived gap between him and anyone in the top 3 than between him and Barnes, Kuminga, etc.

[Kalamazoo317]

There's also a pretty significant history of players winning rookie of the year but not being the top player in their draft class longterm. Yes, some all time greats have won ROY, but so have guys like Michael Carter-Williams. Now that doesn't mean the higher picked players are necessarily the better players longterm, though. It's all a crapshoot and it's naive to think that just because all of the mock drafts have players XYZ going 1-2-3, that they're the only ones who can end up being great in the league (or that they're at all guaranteed to). It's all a crapshoot.

But I definitely wouldn't trade up, for anyone. Why give up assets when in 10 years it's completely reasonable that Dyson Daniels or Mathurin or Murray or so many others are actually the best player from the draft?

[whitehops]

Murray is the most NBA ready player in the draft, right next to Banchero. Murray is going to surprise some people by just how good, and versatile he is. I was down on him at first, as I thought it was just a three man draft. Nope.

Murray is going to be better, or equal to at least 2 of the top 3 bigs in this draft. He does everything well, and is an actual rim protector ta' boot.

I am now hoping that the Pistons draft him at 5, amd swing Grant for a high enough pick, they can also land Mathurin.

he might be the most NBA ready but it will definitely be in a limited role. in college he had next to no creation skills on the perimeter so in his rookie year he'll likely be similar to what saddiq bey was (spot up shooter), but with added offensive rebounding/cutting. he should also be better defensively, but all rookies still struggle relative to NBA average.

if we take murray i'm suspecting it will be year 2 where we start to see him make more plays for himself, again, similar to saddiq. i'd say banchero isn't as NBA-ready as murray but only because he will very likely have a play-making role from day one.

[Sort]

With the Pistons sitting fifth, I didn't check out many Banchero reports, but I'm fairly amazed by how many people either think he's a legit number one pick or people that question whether or not he's worth a top five pick. He just strikes me as immature and naive, so there's no real way of knowing exactly how that will unfold. Next season when Scottie Barnes is just feasting on him both sides of the ball, we'll see if it inspires him or overwhelms him.

If Pistons do land Murray, that would be the only reason I would follow that kind of subplot next year.

[bstein14]

With the Pistons sitting fifth, I didn't check out many Banchero reports, but I'm fairly amazed by how many people either think he's a legit number one pick or people that question whether or not he's worth a top five pick. He just strikes me as immature and naive, so there's no real way of knowing exactly how that will unfold. Next season when Scottie Barnes is just feasting on him both sides of the ball, we'll see if it inspires him or overwhelms him.

If Pistons do land Murray, that would be the only reason I would follow that kind of subplot next year.

For me, Banchero and Murray are both the sure fire picks that are at least a good 6th man level players in the NBA, but neither are likely to be perennial all-star type players either. I think they're both higher floor lower ceiling. They are bust proof but they also aren't guys that are top 2 options on a championship team. If you're lucky one can be a 3rd best scorer type.

[buzzkilloton]

I'm really starting to believe this is a 4 player draft with a bunch of nice roleplayers.
Short of dealing any future unprotected picks I think Weaver should be open to dealing any other asset to move up to #4 on Thursday. This might be their best chance to add a second franchise piece next to Cade.

This narrative happens with almost every draft and is wrong more often than it's right. The chances of the 4 "consensus" players being the 4 best players after all is said and done is very low. This particular draft is even more of a crapshoot than most IMO.

100% agree. Just in the last draft, the 4 "consensus" players were Cade, Green, Mobley, and Suggs, guess who won the rookie of the year award at the end?

Wait people think the consensus was wrong last season because Barnes went 5? The consensus nailed this draft. I dont even think any of the top 3 teams would trade there guy for Barnes TBH. I 100% would rather have Cade and Mobley and with how good Green was at the EOY thats a tough trade. I like Barnes as well but hes also on the Raptors who knows how good he looks somewhere else. Sure Suggs was a miss but WTF gotta be better examples of the consensus missing then last year.

Even the picks after the top four were really good. Giddy,Wagner,Kuminga seems strange to use this as a example for the consensus being wrong.

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Even if you want to make the argument Barnes is the best prospect I dont think its a good example of the consensus being wrong. All of the top 3 are potential ALL NBA guys no question. Nobody is upset about who they drafted in the top 3 thats for sure.

[Rainwater]

This narrative happens with almost every draft and is wrong more often than it's right. The chances of the 4 "consensus" players being the 4 best players after all is said and done is very low. This particular draft is even more of a crapshoot than most IMO.

100% agree. Just in the last draft, the 4 "consensus" players were Cade, Green, Mobley, and Suggs, guess who won the rookie of the year award at the end?

The guy actually picked 4th which tells me that GM's sometimes know better than everyone else.

To be fair though, I think Barnes was projected at 5 in most mock drafts. It seemed like it was really more a consensus top 3; Suggs wasn't projected any higher than 4th in any mocks from what I recall, i.e. there was more of a perceived gap between him and anyone in the top 3 than between him and Barnes, Kuminga, etc.

Last years draft was a historically good draft. The top six pre-draft Cade, Green, Mobely, Barnes, Suggs, and Kuminga were considered the top prospects. Guys like Wagner and Giddy turned out to be pretty good as well.

[A_dub06]

I'm really starting to believe this is a 4 player draft with a bunch of nice roleplayers.
Short of dealing any future unprotected picks I think Weaver should be open to dealing any other asset to move up to #4 on Thursday. This might be their best chance to add a second franchise piece next to Cade.

This narrative happens with almost every draft and is wrong more often than it's right. The chances of the 4 "consensus" players being the 4 best players after all is said and done is very low. This particular draft is even more of a crapshoot than most IMO.

100% agree. Just in the last draft, the 4 "consensus" players were Cade, Green, Mobley, and Suggs, guess who won the rookie of the year award at the end?

Barnes was the rookie of the year but that’s hardly an award for the best player in the draft and using it as such is flimsy at best. This board was right 3/4 out of a consensus top 4, nobody would take Barnes over Cade or Mobley, and taking him over green I think would be situation dependent.

[MotownMadness]

Wouldn't trade Cade for anyone from his draft. And thats a loaded draft.

[Kalamazoo317]

We can just hope that this year's draft ends up being as surprisingly loaded. Like was there a real bust at the top of last year's draft (it's early, I know).

[Manocad]

Wouldn't trade Cade for anyone from his draft. And thats a loaded draft.

Of course not. Trading Cade would be completely starting over from zero because even if you thought there was a better long term prospect in this draft, he wouldn't be available at 5 meaning other assets plus Cade would be given up to get him.

At some point you've got to stop cutting bait.

[buzzkilloton]

They got us going Mathurin. I wouldnt hate it. Obv Ivey is the dream right now.

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[7r5ur]

This narrative happens with almost every draft and is wrong more often than it's right. The chances of the 4 "consensus" players being the 4 best players after all is said and done is very low. This particular draft is even more of a crapshoot than most IMO.

100% agree. Just in the last draft, the 4 "consensus" players were Cade, Green, Mobley, and Suggs, guess who won the rookie of the year award at the end?

Barnes was the rookie of the year but that’s hardly an award for the best player in the draft and using it as such is flimsy at best. This board was right 3/4 out of a consensus top 4, nobody would take Barnes over Cade or Mobley, and taking him over green I think would be situation dependent.

Of course it’s no guarantee that Barnes ends up the best player. He certainly could, but winning ROY doesn’t mean anything about that.

However, if you came on here talking about Barnes winning ROY in his first year a few days before last year’s draft, people would have called you crazy. It just shows that these narratives are often wrong. He was supposed to be the project guy who is clearly in a tier below Cade, Mobley, and Green. Most also had him below Suggs.

And yeah, last year’s draft was actually more accurate than is typical

[FloridaMan78]

So Ivey only worked out with Orlando and Detroit. Hasn’t talked to the Kings at all. He really doesn’t want to go to the Kings. It’s pretty obvious it’s a poor situation with them just recently trading Haliburton with Fox there.

I don’t see Weaver really trading much to move up. He’s always been so stingy with Grants value, hard to see him trading him for little to nothing.

But man I really hope we get Ivey in Detroit. He seems to really want to be a Piston. When he talked about looking at tape of Westbrook I pictured him talking to Weaver about it.

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[buzzkilloton]

So Ivey only worked out with Orlando and Detroit. Hasn’t talked to the Kings at all. He really doesn’t want to go to the Kings. It’s pretty obvious it’s a poor situation with them just recently trading Haliburton with Fox there.

I don’t see Weaver really trading much to move up. He’s always been so stingy with Grants value, hard to see him trading him for little to nothing.

But man I really hope we get Ivey in Detroit. He seems to really want to be a Piston. When he talked about looking at tape of Westbrook I pictured him talking to Weaver about it.

Ivey wanting to play here is a nice bonus for sure. That means two years in a row we took not only the highest talent on the board but they wanted to come to town.

I dont think trading him to secure Ivey should be called little to nothing. To me Iveys upside is worth the gamble the question is do we need to? The Kings very well could screw it up but say we get some intel the Kings are going to take Duarte and 6 for 4 I would go for it. Iveys the one guy outside the big three that you can see just making everyone look stupid for passing on him. Of course if we take Ivey Grant would be a really nice fit in there next season.

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It really does sound like we might just get Ivey sitting there. Vivek likes Murray so does the coach. Thats how they reached for Stauskas Vivek wanted him.

[buzzkilloton]

This is from Shams so pretty legit. I mean obv the Kings would start of playing hardball. I really do believe teams are interested Ivey is a very worthy pick 4 imo.

https://theathletic.com/3373269/2022/06/20/nets-kyrie-irving-nba-news/

Sacramento Kings

The Kings are becoming increasingly comfortable drafting at No. 4 in Thursday’s draft and have described a steep price for teams behind them in the lottery who are attempting to trade up, sources said. Sacramento general manager Monte McNair has engaged in conversations around Hawks forward John Collins — among a slew of other established, productive players in the market — but there has been no involvement of the No. 4 pick in the discussions centered on Collins, and McNair will ultimately make the decision on the pick, according to sources.

• Kentucky’s Shaedon Sharpe is the mystery man of the NBA Draft. Sharpe is a projected high lottery pick, and sources say he has conducted strong group workouts such as three-on-three scrimmages to showcase his ability for teams who have not seen him play organized basketball over the past year or two. Instead of conducting individual workouts, Sharpe sought the competition, working out for teams between the draft ranges of Nos. 1-13.

[7r5ur]

Murray is the most NBA ready player in the draft, right next to Banchero. Murray is going to surprise some people by just how good, and versatile he is. I was down on him at first, as I thought it was just a three man draft. Nope.

Murray is going to be better, or equal to at least 2 of the top 3 bigs in this draft. He does everything well, and is an actual rim protector ta' boot.

I am now hoping that the Pistons draft him at 5, amd swing Grant for a high enough pick, they can also land Mathurin.

he might be the most NBA ready but it will definitely be in a limited role. in college he had next to no creation skills on the perimeter so in his rookie year he'll likely be similar to what saddiq bey was (spot up shooter), but with added offensive rebounding/cutting. he should also be better defensively, but all rookies still struggle relative to NBA average.

if we take murray i'm suspecting it will be year 2 where we start to see him make more plays for himself, again, similar to saddiq. i'd say banchero isn't as NBA-ready as murray but only because he will very likely have a play-making role from day one.

The thing that most separates Murray and Saddiq (aside from defense) is Murray's ability to finish around the rim and also his elite transition game. He's not a guy who is going to burst past defenders in the halfcourt, but he's elite at taking a rebound or a steal and going end-to-end. In the 99th percentile last season from what I recall.

I don't think he needs to be a guy that is breaking dudes down off the dribble to be the Pistons 2nd leading scorer in year 1 (assuming Grant is gone, and Saddiq doesn't take a big leap). His game will be playing off of Cade and finding those spots. Attacking closeouts when he is fed the ball at the 3-point line. Playing 2-man game. Shooting off of screens.

Saddiq can more or less be taken out of a game if the defense is unwilling to help off of him (though he has gotten better). This still provides a benefit to the team in terms of spacing, but I don't think Murray will have a hard time scoring even if he's well guarded against spot-up shots. He has more in his bag.

[Manocad]

So Ivey only worked out with Orlando and Detroit. Hasn’t talked to the Kings at all. He really doesn’t want to go to the Kings. It’s pretty obvious it’s a poor situation with them just recently trading Haliburton with Fox there.

I don’t see Weaver really trading much to move up. He’s always been so stingy with Grants value, hard to see him trading him for little to nothing.

But man I really hope we get Ivey in Detroit. He seems to really want to be a Piston. When he talked about looking at tape of Westbrook I pictured him talking to Weaver about it.

Ivey wanting to play here is a nice bonus for sure. That means two years in a row we took not only the highest talent on the board but they wanted to come to town.

I dont think trading him to secure Ivey should be called little to nothing. To me Iveys upside is worth the gamble the question is do we need to? The Kings very well could screw it up but say we get some intel the Kings are going to take Duarte and 6 for 4 I would go for it. Iveys the one guy outside the big three that you can see just making everyone look stupid for passing on him. Of course if we take Ivey Grant would be a really nice fit in there next season.

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It really does sound like we might just get Ivey sitting there. Vivek likes Murray so does the coach. Thats how they reached for Stauskas Vivek wanted him.

Exactly why I'd expect Sacramento to potentially play hardball trying to get Weaver to trade up to get Ivey and exactly why I'd expect Weaver to say "F**k you. Either you take him or we will; we're not going to pay you to get him. We'll just take Murray and be happy."

[whitehops]

The thing that most separates Murray and Saddiq (aside from defense) is Murray's ability to finish around the rim and also his elite transition game. He's not a guy who is going to burst past defenders in the halfcourt, but he's elite at taking a rebound or a steal and going end-to-end. In the 99th percentile last season from what I recall.

I don't think he needs to be a guy that is breaking dudes down off the dribble to be the Pistons 2nd leading scorer in year 1 (assuming Grant is gone, and Saddiq doesn't take a big leap). His game will be playing off of Cade and finding those spots. Attacking closeouts when he is fed the ball at the 3-point line. Playing 2-man game. Shooting off of screens.

Saddiq can more or less be taken out of a game if the defense is unwilling to help off of him (though he has gotten better). This still provides a benefit to the team in terms of spacing, but I don't think Murray will have a hard time scoring even if he's well guarded against spot-up shots. He has more in his bag.

Definitely and Murray’s strength around the rim is why I think his ceiling is higher than he’s given credit for. If he works on his handle (and there is a lot of work to be done there) it could unlock more ways to get his shot off and get to the basket.

In the meantime though he should still be a good role player.