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Re: Keegan Murray 

Post#141 » by SeattleJazzFan » Thu Mar 24, 2022 3:34 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Defensive Rebounding Percentage of projected 1st round PFs:
- Smith - 23.5%
- Sochan 20.6%
- Eason 20.5%
- Murray 19.9%
- Banchero 19.4%
- Liddell 18.6%

His rebounding is pretty ordinary.

Also, that career 68.8% free throw shooting through conference play is throwing a wrench into his shooting projection, for me. His shooting could go either way. I'm betting he shoots in the low 30%s, though

Yeah, he scored a lot of points, but he's going to be 22 in his first NBA game. Here's some other upperclassman aged players who scored over 20 ppg that played in Power Conferences in recent years: Max Strus, Tres Tinkle, Robert Franks, Myles Powell, Carsen Edwards, Markus Howard, Payton Pritchard, Luka Garza, Mason Jones, Ayo Dosunmu, Tyrell Brown, Scottie Pippen Jr, Devon Freeman-Liberty, Kofi Cockburn

Not exactly a feat that destines one for stardom.


pretty funny that you cherry picked defensive rebound percentage to make the point that he doesn't rebound well enough. the fact is his total rebound percentage is the second best on the list, just behind tari eason - 15.2 to 14.9. or do offensive rebounds not count as rebounding? iow, if Murray doesn't rebound well enough then none of them do and in terms of the draft order itself since they are essentially competing against each other, it's a non issue. then again you cherry pick his FT shooting in conference play, but ignore the rest of the season and you don't mention his 2pt FG shooting or his 3pt shooting, because as an overall shooter he shines in comparison to the other prospects. when you take FT shooting, FGs and 3pt FGs, his TS% is a career 63%. that is elite among these draft prospects. so again, if he doesn't shoot well enough, none of them do and it's a non issue.

dude, c'mon now. you can do better than cherry picking ultra specific stats to try and defend your point. it's okay to just admit you're wrong.
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Re: Keegan Murray 

Post#142 » by Kobblehead » Thu Mar 24, 2022 10:35 pm

I'm not sure how long you've been following the draft, but falling in love with old tweeners that do a lot of things just okay and not exceptional usually doesn't end well. I'm happy you found someone you like, though.
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Re: Keegan Murray 

Post#143 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Jun 8, 2022 12:56 pm

A solid read on one of the older lottery picks in recent memory:

Keegan Murray: 'I’m able to score on all three levels and I’m able to play any role'

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NBA draft prospect Keegan Murray was a consensus first-team All-American who was named the nation’s top male power forward.

The 6-foot-10 forward averaged 23.5 points per game, which was the most among any projected draft pick. Among all draft prospects in this class, the Iowa Hawkeyes star was the leader in the catch-all metric box plus-minus (BPM) as well.

As I wrote in my most recent mock draft, Murray is the only college player on record to make 60 dunks and 60 3-pointers in the same season. Even when lowering that threshold to 45, no other player in a high-major conference has accomplished that in the past decade...it is easy to see why teams will line up to target someone with his potential impact. Due to his skill set on both sides of the floor, Murray projects as someone who can make an immediate impact in the pros.

Said Murray, "I think my versatility stands out the most. It’s something I can bring to the next level. I can guard multiple positions. That was my role during my freshman year. I was just the ultimate hustle guy. This year, it was more offensive-oriented. But I feel like I’m able to score on all three levels and I’m able to play any role a team needs me to play — whether that’s to put the ball in the basket or to guard different guys, I’m able to adapt and change my role depending on the game. I can bring that to an NBA team right off the bat. I’m excited to get into that gauntlet of the 82-game season and establish myself on both sides of the basketball."
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For my shooting, It’s the fundamentals. I was 5-foot-10 during my sophomore year of high school. I always thought I was going to be a point guard. My shot came from that. I learned all of the fundamentals: dribble, pass, and shoot. I got more comfortable hitting shots throughout the year, including a big game against Indiana in which I hit eight 3-pointers. If I get open looks in catch-and-shoot, I’m going to be able to knock them down.

But I always try and dunk it, no matter what. I think there are more opportunities for a layup to get blocked because the ball is in the air longer. I’m 6-foot-8. There are guys who are taller than I am, so I want to get off the floor as possible and get the ball in the basket.
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Re: Keegan Murray 

Post#144 » by SelfishPlayer » Wed Jun 8, 2022 3:12 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:A solid read on one of the older lottery picks in recent memory:

Keegan Murray: 'I’m able to score on all three levels and I’m able to play any role'

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NBA draft prospect Keegan Murray was a consensus first-team All-American who was named the nation’s top male power forward.

The 6-foot-10 forward averaged 23.5 points per game, which was the most among any projected draft pick. Among all draft prospects in this class, the Iowa Hawkeyes star was the leader in the catch-all metric box plus-minus (BPM) as well.

As I wrote in my most recent mock draft, Murray is the only college player on record to make 60 dunks and 60 3-pointers in the same season. Even when lowering that threshold to 45, no other player in a high-major conference has accomplished that in the past decade...it is easy to see why teams will line up to target someone with his potential impact. Due to his skill set on both sides of the floor, Murray projects as someone who can make an immediate impact in the pros.

Said Murray, "I think my versatility stands out the most. It’s something I can bring to the next level. I can guard multiple positions. That was my role during my freshman year. I was just the ultimate hustle guy. This year, it was more offensive-oriented. But I feel like I’m able to score on all three levels and I’m able to play any role a team needs me to play — whether that’s to put the ball in the basket or to guard different guys, I’m able to adapt and change my role depending on the game. I can bring that to an NBA team right off the bat. I’m excited to get into that gauntlet of the 82-game season and establish myself on both sides of the basketball."
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For my shooting, It’s the fundamentals. I was 5-foot-10 during my sophomore year of high school. I always thought I was going to be a point guard. My shot came from that. I learned all of the fundamentals: dribble, pass, and shoot. I got more comfortable hitting shots throughout the year, including a big game against Indiana in which I hit eight 3-pointers. If I get open looks in catch-and-shoot, I’m going to be able to knock them down.

But I always try and dunk it, no matter what. I think there are more opportunities for a layup to get blocked because the ball is in the air longer. I’m 6-foot-8. There are guys who are taller than I am, so I want to get off the floor as possible and get the ball in the basket.
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Re: Keegan Murray 

Post#145 » by WargamesX » Fri Jun 10, 2022 1:46 am

I feel like he is tailor made for the Kings who are looking for guys who should be able to contribute sooner. Plus he is the exact type of PF you could put next to Sabonis since he has legit 3 pt range.
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Re: Keegan Murray 

Post#146 » by Dat2U » Fri Jun 10, 2022 1:08 pm

It would not surprise me if Murray turns out better than Smith or Banchero.
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Re: Keegan Murray 

Post#147 » by Wizop » Fri Jun 10, 2022 1:09 pm

WargamesX wrote:I feel like he is tailor made for the Kings who are looking for guys who should be able to contribute sooner. Plus he is the exact type of PF you could put next to Sabonis since he has legit 3 pt range.


Kings would be better off if Ivey jumps into the top 3 and Holmgren falls to 4. he'd be great next to Sabonis as he scores from outside, can cut to the bucket, and is a shot blocker.
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Re: Keegan Murray 

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Re: Keegan Murray 

Post#149 » by kobyz » Fri Jun 10, 2022 10:19 pm

I see Glenn Robinson in him
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Re: Keegan Murray 

Post#150 » by rand » Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:24 pm

I don't understand how Keegan Murray isn't a candidate for a top-3 pick. Averaged 23.5 PPG on .638 TS% (including 40% on 4.7 3PA's/game) playing in a major conference. His highlight reel shows a complete scoring game: post, off the dribble, moving without the ball, 3pt range and 3pt creativity including step back 3's. At 6'8, 225 he can start at the 3 or 4 and maybe even play some smallball 5. Looks like he has the potential to be a impact defender too.

What am I missing, why isn't this kid in the top-3 mix? What makes Ivey and Banchero better picks than a 6'8 guy who can get 20+ PPG on high efficiency and defend too? I've seen several mock drafts not even have him in the top-5. If I'm the Pistons I'm just hoping the four teams ahead of me follow the consensus and pass on Murray because he would be perfect next to Cade.
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Re: Keegan Murray 

Post#151 » by The-Power » Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:30 pm

rand wrote:What am I missing, why isn't this kid in the top-3 mix?

Age.
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Re: Keegan Murray 

Post#152 » by Hoop Hunter » Fri Jun 17, 2022 3:39 pm

I'm hoping for Murray at 6th to the Pacers. I'm all in on this guy.
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Re: Keegan Murray 

Post#153 » by jangles86 » Sat Jun 18, 2022 10:50 pm

Absolute Wizards type of pick but they won’t get near him.
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Re: Keegan Murray 

Post#154 » by tiderulz » Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:32 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:A solid read on one of the older lottery picks in recent memory:

Keegan Murray: 'I’m able to score on all three levels and I’m able to play any role'

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NBA draft prospect Keegan Murray was a consensus first-team All-American who was named the nation’s top male power forward.

The 6-foot-10 forward averaged 23.5 points per game, which was the most among any projected draft pick. Among all draft prospects in this class, the Iowa Hawkeyes star was the leader in the catch-all metric box plus-minus (BPM) as well.

As I wrote in my most recent mock draft, Murray is the only college player on record to make 60 dunks and 60 3-pointers in the same season. Even when lowering that threshold to 45, no other player in a high-major conference has accomplished that in the past decade...it is easy to see why teams will line up to target someone with his potential impact. Due to his skill set on both sides of the floor, Murray projects as someone who can make an immediate impact in the pros.

Said Murray, "I think my versatility stands out the most. It’s something I can bring to the next level. I can guard multiple positions. That was my role during my freshman year. I was just the ultimate hustle guy. This year, it was more offensive-oriented. But I feel like I’m able to score on all three levels and I’m able to play any role a team needs me to play — whether that’s to put the ball in the basket or to guard different guys, I’m able to adapt and change my role depending on the game. I can bring that to an NBA team right off the bat. I’m excited to get into that gauntlet of the 82-game season and establish myself on both sides of the basketball."
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For my shooting, It’s the fundamentals. I was 5-foot-10 during my sophomore year of high school. I always thought I was going to be a point guard. My shot came from that. I learned all of the fundamentals: dribble, pass, and shoot. I got more comfortable hitting shots throughout the year, including a big game against Indiana in which I hit eight 3-pointers. If I get open looks in catch-and-shoot, I’m going to be able to knock them down.

But I always try and dunk it, no matter what. I think there are more opportunities for a layup to get blocked because the ball is in the air longer. I’m 6-foot-8. There are guys who are taller than I am, so I want to get off the floor as possible and get the ball in the basket.
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i dont believe he is really 6'10. otherwise he wouldnt have been afraid to get measured at the combine. add the fact, Iowa listed him at 6'8. i think if he was really 6'10, there would be more discussion of him in top-4
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Re: Keegan Murray 

Post#155 » by KOA » Mon Jun 20, 2022 4:26 am

He’s an absolute beast that’s underrated because of his age. People prefer the unknown in younger players even though this guy was arguable the most improved player in the draft from last year. He’s my pick for ROY
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Re: Keegan Murray 

Post#156 » by bucknut » Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:38 am

Thoughts on Smith vs Murray ?.......same build, size.......if Smith has a post game as good as Murrays I think he can be special.

Murray doesn't strike me as a great shooter just someone who gets buckets , transition, cut/offball action, post.
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Re: Keegan Murray 

Post#157 » by babyjax13 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:37 pm

He reminds me so much of Millsap
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Re: Keegan Murray 

Post#158 » by SNPA » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:53 pm

Wizop wrote:
WargamesX wrote:I feel like he is tailor made for the Kings who are looking for guys who should be able to contribute sooner. Plus he is the exact type of PF you could put next to Sabonis since he has legit 3 pt range.


Kings would be better off if Ivey jumps into the top 3 and Holmgren falls to 4. he'd be great next to Sabonis as he scores from outside, can cut to the bucket, and is a shot blocker.

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Re: Keegan Murray 

Post#159 » by SeattleJazzFan » Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:54 pm

babyjax13 wrote:He reminds me so much of Millsap


much better shooter at the same age, but yeah, 8-9 years into millsap's nba career they do look similar.
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Re: Keegan Murray 

Post#160 » by CptCrunch » Tue Jun 21, 2022 3:35 pm

I have one question and one thought.

Thought: Keegan Murray stuffed the stat sheets. He has no huge warts despite age (and relative average/questionable efforts on defense). I wouldn't be too surprised if he blows up like an older prospects like Donovan Mitchell (not sure why my mind went to DoMi)

Question: What makes him different from Brandon Clarke? Who had equally good advanced stats, and turned out pretty okay? But not a gangbuster type of prospect. If Keegan turns out to be a Kuzma, is that we the Kings would want to go for at the #5 pick?

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