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Re: 2021-2022 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#1201 » by Madd Squabbles » Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:59 pm

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Negrodamus wrote:Jovic is our pick on Tankathon. Honestly, I wouldn't be mad at that pick. Seems like very talented wing at 6'11 with good vision and not afraid to take tough step back shots. Seems athletic enough. Need to watch more of him, but I've liked what I've seen so far.


I wouldn't be mad either. Jovic is more of a long-term project to me but the team is in a win-now mode so I don't think he would be a good fit.


Hate to break it to you, but no one we're drafting is going to be a win now move. If they are, we massively lucked out (ie Maxey).

Look at the Warriors last draft, they had the #7 pick and #14. Neither of those guys did much of consequence this past year. And the year before that they drafted Wiseman with the second pick. It's usually 2-3 years before they are consistent contributors.

Side note, if we thought GSW was good this year, there's a second wave of hell the league is going to face with Wiseman, Kuminga, and Moody being groomed by Curry, Thompson, and Green. I imagine they'll trade Wiggins right as either Kuminga or Moody are coming into form and completely rip off the other team.


I think you misunderstand what I meant. I know the Sixers aren't going to draft anyone at #23 that will make us title favorites. What I meant is that it will be a few years before Jovic and even make the rotation in my opinion. I believe the Sixers are looking for someone who can come in and give them some minutes right away. At least during the regular season. For example. If the Sixers draft Jalen Williams he probably starts if the Sixers don't make any moves. Same with Eason. Maybe even Dalen Terry. If he doesn't start he's giving the team minutes off the bench. Jovic is a few years from seeing the court at all.
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Re: 2021-2022 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#1202 » by Madd Squabbles » Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:02 am

SixthStreet wrote:Watching some videos of Blake Wesley and I like him. He looks long enough to be wing switchy on defense and passes the eye test on offense but his advance metrics are bad. Looks to have a wide variance of draft projection that 23 falls in.


Wesley had the same misfortune as Hardy. They both were forced to be the scorer/playmaker when they weren't ready to do that and it made their stats look worse than it should have been.
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Re: 2021-2022 College Basketball / NBA Draft 

Post#1203 » by Black Mage » Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:00 am

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[quote="Mik317"]bored and waiting for a meeting to start so I figured it put my **** draft takes down on virtual paper.

This goes in semi order of how I think most of these guys will be drafted (not how I'd draft)

Jabari seems neat. The swing skill is self creation and that is tough to tell from the little i've seen of him. Feels Marvin Williams-ish too (get ready for a lot of bad comps...call me Mr. NBADraft.net). Very safe pick as I unless he is a **** I don't think he will be a bad player..but as a top 3 guy eeeeeh.

Chet scares me. He looked like hot ass every Gonzaga game I did watch this year. However, Nerlens Noel with a jumper is pretty cool. But I also seen him get crossed into the dead zone so I wonder if he can guard in space. Kinda guy who will get your ass fired for taking him or passing on him..and I am glad we aren't in the position to make that choice lol.

Paolo is a hooper but also seems Tobias-like more than Melo-like. Its hard to tell about defense in college as the best players can get away w/o trying for the most part or be hidden by zone. Cool ass name tho.

Ivey went out sad but a guy with his size and burst is always intriguing. Purdue had the woat spacing too. But that St. Peters flame out is not a great look. The Morant and even Wade comps feel bad but low end is like a Kris Dunn maybe?

Keegan, which is not a cool name, is a boring ass prospect that ironically would be perfect for us lol. Does a lot of good things but nothing great. Liked him more as a mid 1st than the lottery pick he will be. I feel like in the lottery you gotta swing for the fences. Very stiff hips and that worries me. There are a ton of dudes like him in the league. All usefull but none special IMO. Morris Twins. Harrison Barnes. Tobias again. He looks bigger than he is listed and thats neat.

Sharpe. Human NFT lol. He has a lot of the things you want out of a modern day wing. But I think his first step is ass and his handle is HS handle...so I don't think i'd be the one pulling the trigger in the lottery either.



Been down and out with illnesses and now caught Covid, so haven't kept up with our board's consensus. However, Mik I completely agree on Moore being the ideal pick at 23. He is everything we need in a wing, reading reports on him and watching vids I just keep saying to myself that's exactly who we need for our 3.

If you have time, go back and read Danny Green's scouting report out of college https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Danny-Green-504/. It reads just like Moore's. Would we like to have our shot at a young Danny Green? YES PLEASE.

Besides that, would someone mind summarizing the boards consensus for this draft?
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Post#1204 » by ckchen » Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:02 am

SixthStreet wrote:Why so much smoke about Gs to us? I'll be severely disappointed if we take a G, even if it's BPA. Take the best wing you have on the board, even if there's 8 Gs and Cs ahead of him on the overall ranking.


Last time I checked, a SG can also be a wing. If you want a forward, just say you want a forward.
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Post#1205 » by Madd Squabbles » Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:14 am

Black Mage wrote:
Spoiler:
Mik317 wrote:bored and waiting for a meeting to start so I figured it put my **** draft takes down on virtual paper.

This goes in semi order of how I think most of these guys will be drafted (not how I'd draft)

Jabari seems neat. The swing skill is self creation and that is tough to tell from the little i've seen of him. Feels Marvin Williams-ish too (get ready for a lot of bad comps...call me Mr. NBADraft.net). Very safe pick as I unless he is a **** I don't think he will be a bad player..but as a top 3 guy eeeeeh.

Chet scares me. He looked like hot ass every Gonzaga game I did watch this year. However, Nerlens Noel with a jumper is pretty cool. But I also seen him get crossed into the dead zone so I wonder if he can guard in space. Kinda guy who will get your ass fired for taking him or passing on him..and I am glad we aren't in the position to make that choice lol.

Paolo is a hooper but also seems Tobias-like more than Melo-like. Its hard to tell about defense in college as the best players can get away w/o trying for the most part or be hidden by zone. Cool ass name tho.

Ivey went out sad but a guy with his size and burst is always intriguing. Purdue had the woat spacing too. But that St. Peters flame out is not a great look. The Morant and even Wade comps feel bad but low end is like a Kris Dunn maybe?

Keegan, which is not a cool name, is a boring ass prospect that ironically would be perfect for us lol. Does a lot of good things but nothing great. Liked him more as a mid 1st than the lottery pick he will be. I feel like in the lottery you gotta swing for the fences. Very stiff hips and that worries me. There are a ton of dudes like him in the league. All usefull but none special IMO. Morris Twins. Harrison Barnes. Tobias again. He looks bigger than he is listed and thats neat.

Sharpe. Human NFT lol. He has a lot of the things you want out of a modern day wing. But I think his first step is ass and his handle is HS handle...so I don't think i'd be the one pulling the trigger in the lottery either.



Been down and out with illnesses and now caught Covid, so haven't kept up with our board's consensus. However, Mik I completely agree on Moore being the ideal pick at 23. He is everything we need in a wing, reading reports on him and watching vids I just keep saying to myself that's exactly who we need for our 3.

If you have time, go back and read Danny Green's scouting report out of college https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Danny-Green-504/. It reads just like Moore's. Would we like to have our shot at a young Danny Green? YES PLEASE.

Besides that, would someone mind summarizing the boards consensus for this draft?


What type of player do you think #23 can get the Sixers. I LOVE Jalen Williams by the way. I would be beyond excited if we drafted him. I think he is exactly the player we need. He can create, pass, shoot and defend. Also, he's plug-and-play. I wouldn't let the fact that he doesn't blow past anyone stop us from selecting him. How many wings in this draft are regularly blowing past players in the NBA?
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Post#1206 » by Mik317 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:18 am

unless the BPA is a center, you take the BPA

no one on our roster is good enough to dictate things IMO. We do need some guard depth and Shake isn;t that guy and Springer may be years away himself. Chandler ,who I like, may be the only guard who can't play the 2 anyway
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Post#1207 » by Negrodamus » Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:17 pm

I’m starting to fall into the Jovic or Hardy are instant takes if they fall to us. Jovic is particularly alluring because of the SF drought in the league. Give him a year to get his body right and he’ll be at least a contributor the following year.
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Post#1208 » by ankle420breaker » Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:30 pm

Upside for either guy is difficult to pass up if they're still on the board.

EJ and Dalen Terry would be nice additions who might be a little more NBA ready.

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Post#1209 » by phillynative » Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:39 pm

ckchen wrote:
SixthStreet wrote:Why so much smoke about Gs to us? I'll be severely disappointed if we take a G, even if it's BPA. Take the best wing you have on the board, even if there's 8 Gs and Cs ahead of him on the overall ranking.


Last time I checked, a SG can also be a wing. If you want a forward, just say you want a forward.


I wouldnt consider him a wing hes, hes a legit guard. At 6'4 with a 6'9 wingspan, some ballhandling/ passing with average athleticism.Shake is measured at 6'5 and 7ft wingspan and i wouldnt consider him a wing. Matisse is about the same size as Shake and I would consider him a wing because his athleticism allows him to play bigger than his height.
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Post#1210 » by phillynative » Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:50 pm

Black Mage wrote:
Spoiler:
Mik317 wrote:bored and waiting for a meeting to start so I figured it put my **** draft takes down on virtual paper.

This goes in semi order of how I think most of these guys will be drafted (not how I'd draft)

Jabari seems neat. The swing skill is self creation and that is tough to tell from the little i've seen of him. Feels Marvin Williams-ish too (get ready for a lot of bad comps...call me Mr. NBADraft.net). Very safe pick as I unless he is a **** I don't think he will be a bad player..but as a top 3 guy eeeeeh.

Chet scares me. He looked like hot ass every Gonzaga game I did watch this year. However, Nerlens Noel with a jumper is pretty cool. But I also seen him get crossed into the dead zone so I wonder if he can guard in space. Kinda guy who will get your ass fired for taking him or passing on him..and I am glad we aren't in the position to make that choice lol.

Paolo is a hooper but also seems Tobias-like more than Melo-like. Its hard to tell about defense in college as the best players can get away w/o trying for the most part or be hidden by zone. Cool ass name tho.

Ivey went out sad but a guy with his size and burst is always intriguing. Purdue had the woat spacing too. But that St. Peters flame out is not a great look. The Morant and even Wade comps feel bad but low end is like a Kris Dunn maybe?

Keegan, which is not a cool name, is a boring ass prospect that ironically would be perfect for us lol. Does a lot of good things but nothing great. Liked him more as a mid 1st than the lottery pick he will be. I feel like in the lottery you gotta swing for the fences. Very stiff hips and that worries me. There are a ton of dudes like him in the league. All usefull but none special IMO. Morris Twins. Harrison Barnes. Tobias again. He looks bigger than he is listed and thats neat.

Sharpe. Human NFT lol. He has a lot of the things you want out of a modern day wing. But I think his first step is ass and his handle is HS handle...so I don't think i'd be the one pulling the trigger in the lottery either.



Been down and out with illnesses and now caught Covid, so haven't kept up with our board's consensus. However, Mik I completely agree on Moore being the ideal pick at 23. He is everything we need in a wing, reading reports on him and watching vids I just keep saying to myself that's exactly who we need for our 3.

If you have time, go back and read Danny Green's scouting report out of college https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Danny-Green-504/. It reads just like Moore's. Would we like to have our shot at a young Danny Green? YES PLEASE.

Besides that, would someone mind summarizing the boards consensus for this draft?


I agree about Moore , doesnt have huge upside but a 3&D , strength and athleticism mixed in with some all around ability would fit a huge need..

If the sixers are going for players that can help now than walking away from the draft with Wendell Moore and Ej Liddle would be the best case scenario.
2 way players that fill a need next to our stars.
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Post#1211 » by phillynative » Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:59 pm

Negrodamus wrote:I’m starting to fall into the Jovic or Hardy are instant takes if they fall to us. Jovic is particularly alluring because of the SF drought in the league. Give him a year to get his body right and he’ll be at least a contributor the following year.


I highly doubt Jovic will be able to play SF in the NBA with his lack of speed. I see stretch/playmaking 4 in his future.
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Post#1212 » by Mik317 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:37 pm

based off of nothing but youtube tape...Jovic looks pretty spry for a guy his size.
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Post#1213 » by Negrodamus » Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:53 pm

Jovic seems agile enough to defend wings. Has quick hands and is clearly a smart player. I have no problem believing he could be a SF as he gets more NBA conditioning. Offensively, his skillset is 100% ready as an NBA wing. I can't imagine he'll be available at our pick.
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Post#1214 » by rzzzzz » Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:11 pm

For the 2nd rounders we’ve sold sold for the sake of our cheapskate owner, I’d like to buy one this year and take a shot at Roddy, out of Colorado State. At first glance he seems like a rotund tweeter, but the guy’s got game and he sure as hell can shoot. Lose 20 pounds and he can be a real interesting in a small ball line-up.
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Post#1216 » by stormi » Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:08 pm

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Post#1217 » by Lou_23 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:15 pm

phillynative wrote:
Black Mage wrote:
Spoiler:
Mik317 wrote:bored and waiting for a meeting to start so I figured it put my **** draft takes down on virtual paper.

This goes in semi order of how I think most of these guys will be drafted (not how I'd draft)

Jabari seems neat. The swing skill is self creation and that is tough to tell from the little i've seen of him. Feels Marvin Williams-ish too (get ready for a lot of bad comps...call me Mr. NBADraft.net). Very safe pick as I unless he is a **** I don't think he will be a bad player..but as a top 3 guy eeeeeh.

Chet scares me. He looked like hot ass every Gonzaga game I did watch this year. However, Nerlens Noel with a jumper is pretty cool. But I also seen him get crossed into the dead zone so I wonder if he can guard in space. Kinda guy who will get your ass fired for taking him or passing on him..and I am glad we aren't in the position to make that choice lol.

Paolo is a hooper but also seems Tobias-like more than Melo-like. Its hard to tell about defense in college as the best players can get away w/o trying for the most part or be hidden by zone. Cool ass name tho.

Ivey went out sad but a guy with his size and burst is always intriguing. Purdue had the woat spacing too. But that St. Peters flame out is not a great look. The Morant and even Wade comps feel bad but low end is like a Kris Dunn maybe?

Keegan, which is not a cool name, is a boring ass prospect that ironically would be perfect for us lol. Does a lot of good things but nothing great. Liked him more as a mid 1st than the lottery pick he will be. I feel like in the lottery you gotta swing for the fences. Very stiff hips and that worries me. There are a ton of dudes like him in the league. All usefull but none special IMO. Morris Twins. Harrison Barnes. Tobias again. He looks bigger than he is listed and thats neat.

Sharpe. Human NFT lol. He has a lot of the things you want out of a modern day wing. But I think his first step is ass and his handle is HS handle...so I don't think i'd be the one pulling the trigger in the lottery either.



Been down and out with illnesses and now caught Covid, so haven't kept up with our board's consensus. However, Mik I completely agree on Moore being the ideal pick at 23. He is everything we need in a wing, reading reports on him and watching vids I just keep saying to myself that's exactly who we need for our 3.

If you have time, go back and read Danny Green's scouting report out of college https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Danny-Green-504/. It reads just like Moore's. Would we like to have our shot at a young Danny Green? YES PLEASE.

Besides that, would someone mind summarizing the boards consensus for this draft?


I agree about Moore , doesnt have huge upside but a 3&D , strength and athleticism mixed in with some all around ability would fit a huge need..

If the sixers are going for players that can help now than walking away from the draft with Wendell Moore and Ej Liddle would be the best case scenario.
2 way players that fill a need next to our stars.
Yeah, I will be happy with Moore. We need ready an cheap bench players and he can be a good pick for us.
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Post#1218 » by 76ciology » Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:42 pm

My brother, who’s a Magic fan tries to convince me about Jabari. So I watch the tapes.

On offense, I find chet to be more fluid and coordinated for his size than Jabari for his size. Jabari is stiff with the ball and this lead to a lot of tough jumpers. I think Jabari can be an elite shooter though, but he’s very “harrison Barnes’ on his shot creation.

Chet’s ability to play 4 and protect the rim also is priceless, our own experience would tell you that.
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Post#1219 » by Jailblazers7 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:49 pm

Wow, really sounds like the whole organization is behind Hardy. I’m 100% down for that outcome. I think apprenticing under Harden would do wonder for his game given he projects as an iso scorer that lacks elite athleticism.
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Post#1220 » by Negrodamus » Tue Jun 21, 2022 5:51 pm

Jaden Hardy is dropping on my board because he’s opening his mouth too much about his private workout with the Sixers. Just STFU and fall to us, dude.

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