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Re: 2022 NBA Draft 

Post#881 » by 0BobLobLaw0 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:55 pm

machu46 wrote:For those with access, Sam Vecenie of The Athletic published his 130 page draft guide: https://theathletic.com/3374595/2022/06/21/nba-draft-guide-2022-top-100/

If we're allowed, I'm willing to copy and paste long excerpts from it, but it's a lot of content and I feel bad so I'd prefer not to lol. Anyways, his draft tiers (players listed in order within the tiers):

Tier 1: Nobody

Tier 2:
1. Chet
2. Jabari
3. Paolo
4. Ivey

Tier 3:
5. Mathurin
6. Sochan
7. Daniels
8. Keegan Murray
9. Sharpe

Tier 4:
10. Johnny Davis
11. Griffin
12. Duren
13. Eason
14. TyTy
15. Mark Williams
16. Dieng
17. Terry
18. Jalen Williams
19. Agbaji
20. Hardy
21. Branham

Tier 5:
22. LaRavia
23. Braun
24. Liddell
25. Wesley
26. McGowens
27. Christie
28. Beauchamp
29. Kamagate
30. Kessler
31. Wendell Moore
32. Procida
33. Rollins
34. Jovic
35. Kendall Brown
36. Chandler
37. Keels
38. Spagnolo
39. Watson
40. Nembhard
41. Isaiah Mobley
42. Minott
43. Baldwin
44. Justin Lewis
45. Barlow
46. Houstan
47. Jaylin Williams
48. Koloko
49. Jabari Walker

For my own sake, I'm not going to bother with the remaining 51 prospects but if you're curious about a particular guy's ranking, feel free to ask.


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Post#883 » by machu46 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:02 pm

Some of the interesting bits on players we've been linked to in The Athletic draft guide:

Dalen Terry - More comfortable making passes towards the hoop (i.e. hitting cutters) rather than kickouts. Made 34.4% of catch-and-shoots and 55.4% at the rim ("a solid number for a player who self-created many of those looks"). Fights through screens exceptionally well and is extremely aggressive on the ball. Scoring will be a concern if the shooting doesn't develop.

Jalen Williams - Was only 6'3" when he arrived on campus before sprouting up to 6'6", which led to some struggles as he got used to his new body. Made 60% at the rim, 50% of floaters, 35% on pull-ups, and 48.4% on catch-and-shoot 3's. Could guard 1-4 defensively.

Jaden Hardy - Listed at 6'4" with a 6'9" wingspan (but has not been officially measured and the 6'4" is "generous"). Hit 40.7% of catch-and-shoots. One of the best in the G-League in terms of getting to the rim, but was the worst in the league in terms of finishing there, shooting 38.6% at the rim. Just 25% on floaters as well. Simply not a good athlete, which led to him being both the worst finisher in the league as well as one of the worst defenders.

Jake LaRavia - Processes the game exceptionally well, keeps the ball moving, just fits well into a team. Relatively low-volume shooter in college, but shoots it beautifully, shot it well in college, and has shot amazingly in workouts. However, his shooting is basically a non-factor outside of standstill spot-ups. Made 57% at the rim in half-court settings. Good team defender, good hands, Wake Forest was 8 points better defensively when he was on the floor. Will be tested athletically, but made it work in college at least.

Christian Braun - Talks an immense amount of trash, plays with a lot of confidence, and energizes the rest of the team. Was among the leaders in the country in terms of transition points per game. Also among the leaders in terms of dunks per game. 41.4% on catch-and-shoots this year (though not a super high volume guy due to some mechanical stuff as he loads up). Underrated team defender, great closeouts, will thrive in schemes that involve scrambling and X-outs. Should be switchable 1-3. Bigger wings could hunt him due to his relatively short arms.

EJ Liddell - 59.5% at the rim in half-court and 50% out of post-ups. 38.5% on catch-and-shoots and 43% on pull-ups. A lot of questions about how his game will translate at the NBA level and whether or not he'll be able to shoot, but teams love that he took their feedback last season and sort of recreated himself this year to fit into the league.

Ismael Kamagate - He wasn't on my radar personally at all until this morning when Givony mentioned him as a Bucks target. Finished 4th in his French league in blocks per game. Skinny right now, but very strong in his lower half and anchors himself down low well. Really shines as a perimeter defender for a center; can shadow guards and if they do beat him, can recover due to his athleticism. Wouldn't call him a switch defender right now due to him still learning how to position himself, but has a chance to get there. Offensively, he's a monster finisher but can mix in some up and unders too. Shot 69% at the rim in the half-court. Some interesting flashes of short-roll passing, but overall, is very raw offensively and still learning defensively as well. Could be something like Robert Williams if it all pans out.

Walker Kessler - Good hand-eye coordination that can be seen in how he catches the ball and also how ambidextrous he is blocking shots. His 19.1% block rate is the best that we've seen in college since Larry Sanders in 2008. Does a better job staying in front of guards than you'd think, though he may struggle with shiftier, quicker guards; probably won't get cooked on switches unless he's matched up on a "stud pull-up artist". Made 82% of his shots out of the pick and roll and showed impressive short-roll moments out of that as well. 72.7% at the rim in half-court, one of the best in the class. "Needs to go to a team that's willing to play a consistent drop coverage scheme".

Nikola Jovic - Won Adriatic League's Young Player of the Year award this season. 37.3% on catch-and-shoots, shot looks better than the percentages. Only made 25% of his pull-ups and only 50.9% of his shots at the rim. Not comfortable finishing with his left hand. Ridiculous ball-handler and passer for his size, a legitimate point forward prospect. Very smart, high IQ player. Poor strength and poor lateral quickness; bulking up could take away from some of his other skills. Gets crushed on switches by smaller, quicker ballhandlers. Was a turnstile in Europe and will be even worse in the NBA.

Kennedy Chandler - True floor general, excels playing out of ball screens, the kind of guard that can kill switches on the offensive end. 58.1% at the rim in the half-court, pretty good for a guard and great for someone his size. 40.5% on catch-and-shoots and 43% on NBA-range 3's. Defensively, pressures the hell out of lead guards with his athleticism, great hands, and ability to fight through screens. Size obviously concerns you defensively as PG is the only spot he really has a chance to defend, and if the finishing at the rim doesn't translate due to his size, he doesn't have an in-between game to fall back on right now, as he didn't shoot it well on floaters or pull-ups this year. Struggles to shoot with range off the dribble as well.

Andrew Nembhard - Arguably the best operator out of ball screens in the draft class and can make all the passes from all the angles. Dished out 7.4 pointers per game out of pick-and-roll passes, 2nd best in the class. Has improved his shooting mechanics over the years, but concerns remain. Can't argue with the results this season though, as he was among the best in the country on pull-ups. Uses his size well defensively and navigates screens well. Below-average athlete for a PG, which makes him relatively easy to defend. Can't create out of isolation. Questions his ability to score at the NBA level and might struggle defensively too due to his relatively slow feet.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft 

Post#884 » by emunney » Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:24 pm

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Post#885 » by emunney » Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:32 pm

Heard a rumor that we've had McGowens in twice.
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Post#886 » by machu46 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:51 pm

emunney wrote:Heard a rumor that we've had McGowens in twice.


I feel like someone else here mentioned that too. I wish I liked him more but I can see why we'd be interested.
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Post#887 » by ReasonablySober » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:03 pm

When's the last time the Bucks drafted a dude without even the projection of a jump shot?
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Post#888 » by emunney » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:04 pm

machu46 wrote:
emunney wrote:Heard a rumor that we've had McGowens in twice.


I feel like someone else here mentioned that too. I wish I liked him more but I can see why we'd be interested.


Pretty much where I am. Clearly a scoring talent, and I would bet that hit FT% is a more accurate representation of his shooting ability than his 3pt%, but the defense is so bad!
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Post#889 » by Ron Swanson » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:05 pm

I'm not really a fan of any of the SG/SF wings in our pick range (Wesley, McGowens, Braun) outside of Wendell Moore. It also doesn't make a ton of sense that we'd be zeroing in on some of those guys (specifically Hardy, Wesley, and McGowens) while at the same time talking about picking an older or more NBA-ready guy at 24. Which makes me believe that guys like KOC and Givony are just kinda spit-balling with no real info. Gun to my head I feel like our big board if we stay at 24 looks something like:

Liddell
Beauchamp
LaRavia
Braun
Ryan Rollins
Christian Koloko
Hardy
McGowans
Wesley

The bolded guys I'd be happy/fine with (I've come around a bit on Beauchamp). The others I'd probably facepalm and wonder why they didn't just trade the pick....
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Post#890 » by emunney » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:08 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:When's the last time the Bucks drafted a dude without even the projection of a jump shot?


Who would that be?
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Post#891 » by ReasonablySober » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:12 pm

emunney wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:When's the last time the Bucks drafted a dude without even the projection of a jump shot?


Who would that be?


Beauchamp
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft 

Post#892 » by machu46 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:47 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
emunney wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:When's the last time the Bucks drafted a dude without even the projection of a jump shot?


Who would that be?


Beauchamp

He did at least shoot 40% from 3 in community college on over 100 attempts. And was over 70% at the FT line the last two years (granted that’s not good by any means but isn’t totally helpless).


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Post#893 » by Lippo » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:13 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I'm not really a fan of any of the SG/SF wings in our pick range (Wesley, McGowens, Braun) outside of Wendell Moore. It also doesn't make a ton of sense that we'd be zeroing in on some of those guys (specifically Hardy, Wesley, and McGowens) while at the same time talking about picking an older or more NBA-ready guy at 24. Which makes me believe that guys like KOC and Givony are just kinda spit-balling with no real info. Gun to my head I feel like our big board if we stay at 24 looks something like:

Liddell
Beauchamp
LaRavia
Braun
Ryan Rollins
Christian Koloko
Hardy
McGowans
Wesley


I love Moore too.
The bolded guys I'd be happy/fine with (I've come around a bit on Beauchamp). The others I'd probably facepalm and wonder why they didn't just trade the pick....
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Post#894 » by German Athens » Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:43 am

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Post#895 » by Karsenmitsche » Wed Jun 22, 2022 4:05 am

gotta be excited about getting a rotation player right away with any of Liddell, Laravia or Braun. At least 2 of 3 should be available at 24.

also, just an absolute no on Kessler.
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Post#896 » by buckboy » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:45 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:When's the last time the Bucks drafted a dude without even the projection of a jump shot?


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Post#897 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:48 pm

buckboy wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:When's the last time the Bucks drafted a dude without even the projection of a jump shot?


Rashad Vaughn?


Even he shot 38% from three on high volume.
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Post#898 » by Brewhoopfan » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:55 pm

I have to think Bud has a strong influence on the draft process. There's no way he's letting them take a non-shooting big.
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Post#899 » by WRau1 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:01 pm

Apparently Kessler has been putting up "100s of 3s per day".
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Post#900 » by machu46 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:02 pm

In case this wasn't already posted, Eric Nehm did a Q&A sorta thing with Sam Vecenie specifically about the draft options for the Bucks: https://theathletic.com/3374065/2022/06/22/vecenie-conversation-bucks/

They both agreed that Milwaukee should probably heavily favor wings in the draft, but asked if there was a guard or big man that he thinks Milwaukee should consider, Vecenie said he believes TyTy Washington or Walker Kessler would potentially be great fits for the Bucks schematically if they're available at 24 (I personally could get on board with a small trade up for TyTy I think, but again, hoping if we do move up, it's for a wing).

Then they discussed a bunch of the wing options:

Jalen Williams - Vecenie said he would be a dream come true for Milwaukee but almost certainly won't be available at 24.

Blake Wesley - Thinks Notre Dame guards are overrated in general due to how well Mike Brey utilizes them in college. Thinks Wesley is a better prospect than past Notre Dame guards but would not recommend him for Milwaukee as he's not a good shooter and is just solid defensively.

Dalen Terry - Same deal as Jalen Williams; thinks he'd make a lot of sense for Milwaukee but won't be available.

EJ Liddell - Doesn't love the fit for Milwaukee, as he views him as more of a weakside shot blocker similar to Giannis rather than being a real compliment to him. Doesn't really believe in him as a small-ball 5 and thinks if he does get there, it'll take a couple years. Says ultimately it comes down to whether or not you believe in his shooting and not all teams do.

Wendell Moore/MarJon Beauchamp (discussed these two at the same time) - Prefers Beauchamp as a prospect due to the athleticism, rebounding, and toughness but prefers Wendell Moore for the Bucks. Wendell Moore reminds him of Jacob Evans a few years back at Cinci. He's concerned Moore's shooting might not translate to the NBA, and then you're left with a relatively poor athlete who's inconsistent shooting the ball.

Kendall Brown/Justin Lewis (again discussed together) - Slightly prefers Brown over Lewis; has second round grades on both but wouldn't be surprised if one of them goes in the first. Ultimately prefers Brown because he's a superior athlete. Not confident Lewis will be able to defend in the NBA or be a particularly good shooter, though he admits Lewis could lose some weight and perhaps have a better chance of sticking. Says Brown might have a lower chance of making it in the NBA, but has a higher ceiling due to the athleticism/defense.
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