Around the NBA: 2021-22 Season Thread

[GTR11]

I'm 100% with you Gooner here. Really hated what you had to say about vaccines etc but you nailed KD/Kyrie issue.

We got 2 mentally fragile dumb dumb who can't coprehand simple things. Than when you try to explain them what's wrong, they get butt hurt and their ego gets in the way.

I want them both gone sooner rather than later. They just wasting our tume here. I dont see them changing anytime soon, and time is what we don't have here with them.

[MrDollarBills]

Noise about KD has never been louder. This GSW Championship has his standing in NBA history lower than it has ever been.

Question is does KD care?

Will KD look at this as like a Kobe-Shaq situation? Or does he just fold and ease into retirement. No idea.

I have to think KD has that competitive fire to win again. Somewhere Kyrie has it too.

Give them and Simmons a full season together. Nobody is better than us talent wise. Its about all the other things.

The jury is completely out on all 3 of these guys.

Kyrie has shown us nothing that says he's concerned with winning. Absolutely nothing. He's been a disaster these last two seasons with his lack of availability and distracting behavior. I don't trust Kyrie one bit to conduct himself like a professional.

Ben, who the hell knows where his head is at. I definitely don't think winning is his priority regardless of his mental health issues/back issues. Marks' failure to flip this guy for other pieces will probably cost us.

KD, I have no question that when he plays on the court he will play to win. It's the other stuff that bothers me. The unwillingness to play in a team oriented system. The indifference to Kyrie's sabotaging behavior. Seemingly cosigning Steve Nash, who is horrible. I know that the dumping on KD is unfair right now but I don't see us winning if KD is content with how things went down this season. He should be pissed tf off and demanding 100% commitment and accountability. If he isn't, then we will flame out again.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm 100% with you Gooner here. Really hated what you had to say about vaccines etc but you nailed KD/Kyrie issue.

We got 2 mentally fragile dumb dumb who can't coprehand simple things. Than when you try to explain them what's wrong, they get butt hurt and their ego gets in the way.

I want them both gone sooner rather than later. They just wasting our tume here. I dont see them changing anytime soon, and time is what we don't have here with them.

Honestly...I feel like this.

Kyrie is 100% wasting our time. He doesn't give a sh*t and has said as much. KD seems content with his behavior.

If we don't make the finals next season, its a wrap.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Noise about KD has never been louder. This GSW Championship has his standing in NBA history lower than it has ever been.

Question is does KD care?

Will KD look at this as like a Kobe-Shaq situation? Or does he just fold and ease into retirement. No idea.

I have to think KD has that competitive fire to win again. Somewhere Kyrie has it too.

Give them and Simmons a full season together. Nobody is better than us talent wise. Its about all the other things.

The jury is completely out on all 3 of these guys.

Kyrie has shown us nothing that says he's concerned with winning. Absolutely nothing. He's been a disaster these last two seasons with his lack of availability and distracting behavior. I don't trust Kyrie one bit to conduct himself like a professional.

Ben, who the hell knows where his head is at. I definitely don't think winning is his priority regardless of his mental health issues/back issues. Marks' failure to flip this guy for other pieces will probably cost us.

KD, I have no question that when he plays on the court he will play to win. It's the other stuff that bothers me. The unwillingness to play in a team oriented system. The indifference to Kyrie's sabotaging behavior. Seemingly cosigning Steve Nash, who is horrible. I know that the dumping on KD is unfair right now but I don't see us winning if KD is content with how things went down this season. He should be pissed tf off and demanding 100% commitment and accountability. If he isn't, then we will flame out again.

Well Kyrie can change his ways.

His leash is running short with the Nets. I think he knows this is his last chance. We know he is still a great basketball player.

I don't think KD is unwilling to play in a team oriented system. We had no system last year because Kyrie/Harden sabotaged the season.

I'm not going to blame KD for not demanding to fire Nash. Thats not his job. Thats on Marks.

KD does need to be a better leader. But our season depends on Kyrie/Simmons. Are they serious and ready to play ball? If not then trade one or both by the deadline before its too late.

[Eatgreenz]

Noise about KD has never been louder. This GSW Championship has his standing in NBA history lower than it has ever been.

Question is does KD care?

Will KD look at this as like a Kobe-Shaq situation? Or does he just fold and ease into retirement. No idea.

I have to think KD has that competitive fire to win again. Somewhere Kyrie has it too.

Give them and Simmons a full season together. Nobody is better than us talent wise. Its about all the other things.

The jury is completely out on all 3 of these guys.

Kyrie has shown us nothing that says he's concerned with winning. Absolutely nothing. He's been a disaster these last two seasons with his lack of availability and distracting behavior. I don't trust Kyrie one bit to conduct himself like a professional.

Ben, who the hell knows where his head is at. I definitely don't think winning is his priority regardless of his mental health issues/back issues. Marks' failure to flip this guy for other pieces will probably cost us.

KD, I have no question that when he plays on the court he will play to win. It's the other stuff that bothers me. The unwillingness to play in a team oriented system. The indifference to Kyrie's sabotaging behavior. Seemingly cosigning Steve Nash, who is horrible. I know that the dumping on KD is unfair right now but I don't see us winning if KD is content with how things went down this season. He should be pissed tf off and demanding 100% commitment and accountability. If he isn't, then we will flame out again.

Well Kyrie can change his ways.

His leash is running short with the Nets. I think he knows this is his last chance. We know he is still a great basketball player.

I don't think KD is unwilling to play in a team oriented system. We had no system last year because Kyrie/Harden sabotaged the season.

I'm not going to blame KD for not demanding to fire Nash. Thats not his job. Thats on Marks.

KD does need to be a better leader. But our season depends on Kyrie/Simmons. Are they serious and ready to play ball? If not then trade one or both by the deadline before its too late.

Kai is already in offseason mode getting bball runs in Jersey with the More Than A Run program. Ben we have seen him taking pics these last couple weeks looking more apart of team since his back surgery. His probably still rehabbing before he starts his offseason workouts. I get the questions but can we get a real season with these two before doubt. Last time we had a regular season we were finals bound till dumbass giannis dirty move.

[GTR11]

I'm 100% with you Gooner here. Really hated what you had to say about vaccines etc but you nailed KD/Kyrie issue.

We got 2 mentally fragile dumb dumb who can't coprehand simple things. Than when you try to explain them what's wrong, they get butt hurt and their ego gets in the way.

I want them both gone sooner rather than later. They just wasting our tume here. I dont see them changing anytime soon, and time is what we don't have here with them.

Honestly...I feel like this.

Kyrie is 100% wasting our time. He doesn't give a sh*t and has said as much. KD seems content with his behavior.

If we don't make the finals next season, its a wrap.

Oh i bet most will start screaming and pointing fingers after 25-30 games. Might take a little longer but, Kyrie will eventually turn into Kyrie and Steve Trash will still be a HC.

Core of KD, Kyrie, Ben and Joe is as talented if not superior compared to any other team. Guess what, they MENTALLY SOFT and I'll bet almost anything they'll fail sooner rather than later. Add the fact we dont have coaching, i should take that to the bank right now.

If we'll do ranking who has better chances next year:
1 - GSW, Bucks, Saltics, Clips -> all have depth, talent, coaching and experience.
2 - Miami, Grizz, PHX, Den -> they all just missing something but half step away.
Than you have fluke bums like BK, Philthy, Fakers etc. Wont really scre you but able to give you hard time.

[GTR11]

I don't want Brogdon and his contract here at all he just don't fit here. Myles on the other hand will be great addition. That D with Ben, KD and Myles will be nightmare for teams.

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[vincecarter4pres]

Noise about KD has never been louder. This GSW Championship has his standing in NBA history lower than it has ever been.

Question is does KD care?

Will KD look at this as like a Kobe-Shaq situation? Or does he just fold and ease into retirement. No idea.

I have to think KD has that competitive fire to win again. Somewhere Kyrie has it too.

Give them and Simmons a full season together. Nobody is better than us talent wise. Its about all the other things.

The jury is completely out on all 3 of these guys.

Kyrie has shown us nothing that says he's concerned with winning. Absolutely nothing. He's been a disaster these last two seasons with his lack of availability and distracting behavior. I don't trust Kyrie one bit to conduct himself like a professional.

Ben, who the hell knows where his head is at. I definitely don't think winning is his priority regardless of his mental health issues/back issues. Marks' failure to flip this guy for other pieces will probably cost us.

KD, I have no question that when he plays on the court he will play to win. It's the other stuff that bothers me. The unwillingness to play in a team oriented system. The indifference to Kyrie's sabotaging behavior. Seemingly cosigning Steve Nash, who is horrible. I know that the dumping on KD is unfair right now but I don't see us winning if KD is content with how things went down this season. He should be pissed tf off and demanding 100% commitment and accountability. If he isn't, then we will flame out again.

Well Kyrie can change his ways.

His leash is running short with the Nets. I think he knows this is his last chance. We know he is still a great basketball player.

I don't think KD is unwilling to play in a team oriented system. We had no system last year because Kyrie/Harden sabotaged the season.

I'm not going to blame KD for not demanding to fire Nash. Thats not his job. Thats on Marks.

KD does need to be a better leader. But our season depends on Kyrie/Simmons. Are they serious and ready to play ball? If not then trade one or both by the deadline before its too late.

I think you give these guys way too big a pass, or benefit of the doubt. Especially Kyrie.

Nothing wrong with being a fan, I get it man, but logically and realistically, Kyrie is a problem. He isn't untrade-able, by any means, but I think you have to look at it like addition by subtraction and how it sets up the team going forward.

You can say he's an amazing talent and we need him to win, but chances are he's going to be a massive distraction, if not simply because of his current contract situation, forget all the standard Kyrie being Kyrie crap that is a constant and a given.

I don't know if the team is a true contender with 2 guys such as Ben Simmons and Norman Powell or DeAngelo Russell, or even CJ McCollum as your 2nd and 3rd best players, along with a lot of proper role guys.

But I do know, it's a real stretch to think KD, KAI and Simmons will have proper chemistry, stay healthy, not space out and checkout, and have proper leadership from within for an entire season and then a playoff run, with how strong so many teams are now, how much legitimate parody and star power there is league-wide, and in the East to get there anyway.

I don't think this trio gives you a better chance over a better fitting overall team focusing on KD, Ben, whomever the 3rd best guy on the team is and the rest of the lineup, especially if we can acquire more athletes and shooters while remaining more flexible for the future.

[Hello Brooklyn]

The jury is completely out on all 3 of these guys.

Kyrie has shown us nothing that says he's concerned with winning. Absolutely nothing. He's been a disaster these last two seasons with his lack of availability and distracting behavior. I don't trust Kyrie one bit to conduct himself like a professional.

Ben, who the hell knows where his head is at. I definitely don't think winning is his priority regardless of his mental health issues/back issues. Marks' failure to flip this guy for other pieces will probably cost us.

KD, I have no question that when he plays on the court he will play to win. It's the other stuff that bothers me. The unwillingness to play in a team oriented system. The indifference to Kyrie's sabotaging behavior. Seemingly cosigning Steve Nash, who is horrible. I know that the dumping on KD is unfair right now but I don't see us winning if KD is content with how things went down this season. He should be pissed tf off and demanding 100% commitment and accountability. If he isn't, then we will flame out again.

Well Kyrie can change his ways.

His leash is running short with the Nets. I think he knows this is his last chance. We know he is still a great basketball player.

I don't think KD is unwilling to play in a team oriented system. We had no system last year because Kyrie/Harden sabotaged the season.

I'm not going to blame KD for not demanding to fire Nash. Thats not his job. Thats on Marks.

KD does need to be a better leader. But our season depends on Kyrie/Simmons. Are they serious and ready to play ball? If not then trade one or both by the deadline before its too late.

I think you give these guys way too big a pass, or benefit of the doubt. Especially Kyrie.

Nothing wrong with being a fan, I get it man, but logically and realistically, Kyrie is a problem. He isn't untrade-able, by any means, but I think you have to look at it like addition by subtraction and how it sets up the team going forward.

You can say he's an amazing talent and we need him to win, but chances are he's going to be a massive distraction, if not simply because of his current contract situation, forget all the standard Kyrie being Kyrie crap that is a constant and a given.

I don't know if the team is a true contender with 2 guys such as Ben Simmons and Norman Powell or DeAngelo Russell, or even CJ McCollum as your 2nd and 3rd best players, along with a lot of proper role guys.

But I do know, it's a real stretch to think KD, KAI and Simmons will have proper chemistry, stay healthy, not space out and checkout, and have proper leadership from within for an entire season and then a playoff run, with how strong so many teams are now, how much legitimate parody and star power there is league-wide, and in the East to get there anyway.

I don't think this trio gives you a better chance over a better fitting overall team focusing on KD, Ben, whomever the 3rd best guy on the team is and the rest of the lineup, especially if we can acquire more athletes and shooters while remaining more flexible for the future.

Kyrie is the problem until hes not.

The fact is I still fully believe we win the title last year if Giannis doesn't undercut Kyrie. We were killing the Bucks, the Hawks were not beating us. And the Suns were not good enough either.

His actions this year submarined the season. It was also due to a vaccine mandate and crazy situation which won't exist anymore. So the idea that he will go back to normal isn't that far fetched.

We are definitely not a true contender with Powell or Russell. Not even close. This isn't a coaching or system based team like Milwaukee or Golden State. We need talent to win.

Maybe KD/Ky/Simmons won't work. But maybe it will. Why not at least give it a shot.

KD/Ben and some other role players basically take you out of title contention for good. I can't see KD wanting to stay here.

[mg]

I think you guys are way underselling KD here. I don't think he 'needs' Kyrie to get to the Finals. Marks is going to put on his magician hat and bring in another scoring guard and another piece too.

As for Kyrie I do believe he is a trojan horse type. The whole issue with him and KD goes away once Kyrie is gone. I also think KD will want to win his own title esp after the Warriors just won another one without him.

[vincecarter4pres]

Well Kyrie can change his ways.

His leash is running short with the Nets. I think he knows this is his last chance. We know he is still a great basketball player.

I don't think KD is unwilling to play in a team oriented system. We had no system last year because Kyrie/Harden sabotaged the season.

I'm not going to blame KD for not demanding to fire Nash. Thats not his job. Thats on Marks.

KD does need to be a better leader. But our season depends on Kyrie/Simmons. Are they serious and ready to play ball? If not then trade one or both by the deadline before its too late.

I think you give these guys way too big a pass, or benefit of the doubt. Especially Kyrie.

Nothing wrong with being a fan, I get it man, but logically and realistically, Kyrie is a problem. He isn't untrade-able, by any means, but I think you have to look at it like addition by subtraction and how it sets up the team going forward.

You can say he's an amazing talent and we need him to win, but chances are he's going to be a massive distraction, if not simply because of his current contract situation, forget all the standard Kyrie being Kyrie crap that is a constant and a given.

I don't know if the team is a true contender with 2 guys such as Ben Simmons and Norman Powell or DeAngelo Russell, or even CJ McCollum as your 2nd and 3rd best players, along with a lot of proper role guys.

But I do know, it's a real stretch to think KD, KAI and Simmons will have proper chemistry, stay healthy, not space out and checkout, and have proper leadership from within for an entire season and then a playoff run, with how strong so many teams are now, how much legitimate parody and star power there is league-wide, and in the East to get there anyway.

I don't think this trio gives you a better chance over a better fitting overall team focusing on KD, Ben, whomever the 3rd best guy on the team is and the rest of the lineup, especially if we can acquire more athletes and shooters while remaining more flexible for the future.

Kyrie is the problem until hes not.

The fact is I still fully believe we win the title last year if Giannis doesn't undercut Kyrie. We were killing the Bucks, the Hawks were not beating us. And the Suns were not good enough either.

His actions this year submarined the season. It was also due to a vaccine mandate and crazy situation which won't exist anymore. So the idea that he will go back to normal isn't that far fetched.

We are definitely not a true contender with Powell or Russell. Not even close. This isn't a coaching or system based team like Milwaukee or Golden State. We need talent to win.

Maybe KD/Ky/Simmons won't work. But maybe it will. Why not at least give it a shot.

KD/Ben and some other role players basically take you out of title contention for good. I can't see KD wanting to stay here.

You sound like a battered wife explaining how if her doctor husband would just stop drinking, beating her and cheating on her, and her adult kid would just stop doing drugs and breaking in the neighbors house, and their dog would just stop chewing the couch apart and attacking company, and her MIL would just stop victim blaming her, and she would just be able to stop taking Xanax and day drinking chardonnay, etc., etc., instead of calling the police for a restraining order, get a lawyer and cut everyone off, get therapy and start a new life 2,000 miles away.

Or less dramatic, you sound like the foreman/team leader at work, who always makes a million excuses for the unreliable, workplace cancer, calls out 2 days a week cousin, because "he has so much talent he makes us so much better, when he decides to show up! Best part timer in the industry!", instead of firing this entitled douche and replacing him with a couple guys who fit in seamlessly and do their jobs reliably, letting the real stars of the company/crew shine like they should.

Which is more likely? Every single **** ed up negative reverses itself? Or things continue in their awful cycle if you don't make the difficult decision and change courses?

[Hello Brooklyn]

I think you give these guys way too big a pass, or benefit of the doubt. Especially Kyrie.

Nothing wrong with being a fan, I get it man, but logically and realistically, Kyrie is a problem. He isn't untrade-able, by any means, but I think you have to look at it like addition by subtraction and how it sets up the team going forward.

You can say he's an amazing talent and we need him to win, but chances are he's going to be a massive distraction, if not simply because of his current contract situation, forget all the standard Kyrie being Kyrie crap that is a constant and a given.

I don't know if the team is a true contender with 2 guys such as Ben Simmons and Norman Powell or DeAngelo Russell, or even CJ McCollum as your 2nd and 3rd best players, along with a lot of proper role guys.

But I do know, it's a real stretch to think KD, KAI and Simmons will have proper chemistry, stay healthy, not space out and checkout, and have proper leadership from within for an entire season and then a playoff run, with how strong so many teams are now, how much legitimate parody and star power there is league-wide, and in the East to get there anyway.

I don't think this trio gives you a better chance over a better fitting overall team focusing on KD, Ben, whomever the 3rd best guy on the team is and the rest of the lineup, especially if we can acquire more athletes and shooters while remaining more flexible for the future.

Kyrie is the problem until hes not.

The fact is I still fully believe we win the title last year if Giannis doesn't undercut Kyrie. We were killing the Bucks, the Hawks were not beating us. And the Suns were not good enough either.

His actions this year submarined the season. It was also due to a vaccine mandate and crazy situation which won't exist anymore. So the idea that he will go back to normal isn't that far fetched.

We are definitely not a true contender with Powell or Russell. Not even close. This isn't a coaching or system based team like Milwaukee or Golden State. We need talent to win.

Maybe KD/Ky/Simmons won't work. But maybe it will. Why not at least give it a shot.

KD/Ben and some other role players basically take you out of title contention for good. I can't see KD wanting to stay here.

You sound like a battered wife explaining how if her doctor husband would just stop drinking, beating her and cheating on her, and her adult kid would just stop doing drugs and breaking in the neighbors house, and their dog would just stop chewing the couch apart and attacking company, and her MIL would just stop victim blaming her, and she would just be able to stop taking Xanax and day drinking chardonnay, etc., etc., instead of calling the police for a restraining order, get a lawyer and cut everyone off, get therapy and start a new life 2,000 miles away.

Or less dramatic, you sound like the foreman/team leader at work, who always makes a million excuses for the unreliable, workplace cancer, calls out 2 days a week cousin, because "he has so much talent he makes us so much better, when he decides to show up! Best part timer in the industry!", instead of firing this entitled douche and replacing him with a couple guys who fit in seamlessly and do their jobs reliably, letting the real stars of the company/crew shine like they should.

Which is more likely? Every single **** ed up negative reverses itself? Or things continue in their awful cycle if you don't make the difficult decision and change courses?

Youre so dramatic

I'm not happy with the way Kyrie acted this season. I also know he was awesome last season. And his main issues were due to a temporary vaccine mandate.

This isn't Jason Kidd faking a migraine and then demanding a trade. Its a professional athlete who didn't want to take a vaccine and thus not being able to play. He still wants to be here long term and play.

I'm not firing Kyrie unless I get another star back. And I'm certainly not doing it for Norman Powell so we can create a superteam in LA. Hard pass.

Things change. Kyrie can get his act together. The mandate is over.

[vincecarter4pres]

Kyrie is the problem until hes not.

The fact is I still fully believe we win the title last year if Giannis doesn't undercut Kyrie. We were killing the Bucks, the Hawks were not beating us. And the Suns were not good enough either.

His actions this year submarined the season. It was also due to a vaccine mandate and crazy situation which won't exist anymore. So the idea that he will go back to normal isn't that far fetched.

We are definitely not a true contender with Powell or Russell. Not even close. This isn't a coaching or system based team like Milwaukee or Golden State. We need talent to win.

Maybe KD/Ky/Simmons won't work. But maybe it will. Why not at least give it a shot.

KD/Ben and some other role players basically take you out of title contention for good. I can't see KD wanting to stay here.

You sound like a battered wife explaining how if her doctor husband would just stop drinking, beating her and cheating on her, and her adult kid would just stop doing drugs and breaking in the neighbors house, and their dog would just stop chewing the couch apart and attacking company, and her MIL would just stop victim blaming her, and she would just be able to stop taking Xanax and day drinking chardonnay, etc., etc., instead of calling the police for a restraining order, get a lawyer and cut everyone off, get therapy and start a new life 2,000 miles away.

Or less dramatic, you sound like the foreman/team leader at work, who always makes a million excuses for the unreliable, workplace cancer, calls out 2 days a week cousin, because "he has so much talent he makes us so much better, when he decides to show up! Best part timer in the industry!", instead of firing this entitled douche and replacing him with a couple guys who fit in seamlessly and do their jobs reliably, letting the real stars of the company/crew shine like they should.

Which is more likely? Every single **** ed up negative reverses itself? Or things continue in their awful cycle if you don't make the difficult decision and change courses?

Youre so dramatic

I'm not happy with the way Kyrie acted this season. I also know he was awesome last season. And his main issues were due to a temporary vaccine mandate.

This isn't Jason Kidd faking a migraine and then demanding a trade. Its a professional athlete who didn't want to take a vaccine and thus not being able to play. He still wants to be here long term and play.

I'm not firing Kyrie unless I get another star back. And I'm certainly not doing it for Norman Powell so we can create a superteam in LA. Hard pass.

Things change. Kyrie can get his act together. The mandate is over.

All jokes aside though, this is my point. It's always something with him. It's always, "If Kyrie finally acts normal...", "If NYC doesn't initiate another vax mandate.", "If he doesn't go on another sabbatical midseason...", "If he doesn't hide another injury...", "If he doesn't try to sabotage his coach...", "If he doesn't get offended because KD calls him out...", "If he doesn't throw his teammates under the bus and try to get them all traded...", "If he doesn't go off his meds before the All Star break...", "If he doesn't miss a 5 game critical road trip to handout Hyundai's in Pittsburgh...", "If he doesn't make a statement by shooting the ball 42 times in a game because he doesn't like a comment Marks made to the media..."

The list goes on...

Kyrie isn't getting his act together. Kyrie is a whole ass act. Basketball is not his priority and for all the care he professes for the common man, he could give two facks about his teammates, or anything to do with the sport. He's a guy who is incredibly good at his trade, but who likes, not loves the game, on a day to day basis. It's a vehicle and a hobby for him at best.

[Hello Brooklyn]

You sound like a battered wife explaining how if her doctor husband would just stop drinking, beating her and cheating on her, and her adult kid would just stop doing drugs and breaking in the neighbors house, and their dog would just stop chewing the couch apart and attacking company, and her MIL would just stop victim blaming her, and she would just be able to stop taking Xanax and day drinking chardonnay, etc., etc., instead of calling the police for a restraining order, get a lawyer and cut everyone off, get therapy and start a new life 2,000 miles away.

Or less dramatic, you sound like the foreman/team leader at work, who always makes a million excuses for the unreliable, workplace cancer, calls out 2 days a week cousin, because "he has so much talent he makes us so much better, when he decides to show up! Best part timer in the industry!", instead of firing this entitled douche and replacing him with a couple guys who fit in seamlessly and do their jobs reliably, letting the real stars of the company/crew shine like they should.

Which is more likely? Every single **** ed up negative reverses itself? Or things continue in their awful cycle if you don't make the difficult decision and change courses?

Youre so dramatic

I'm not happy with the way Kyrie acted this season. I also know he was awesome last season. And his main issues were due to a temporary vaccine mandate.

This isn't Jason Kidd faking a migraine and then demanding a trade. Its a professional athlete who didn't want to take a vaccine and thus not being able to play. He still wants to be here long term and play.

I'm not firing Kyrie unless I get another star back. And I'm certainly not doing it for Norman Powell so we can create a superteam in LA. Hard pass.

Things change. Kyrie can get his act together. The mandate is over.

All jokes aside though, this is my point. It's always something with him. It's always, "If Kyrie finally acts normal...", "If NYC doesn't initiate another vax mandate.", "If he doesn't go on another sabbatical midseason...", "If he doesn't hide another injury...", "If he doesn't try to sabotage his coach...", "If he doesn't get offended because KD calls him out...", "If he doesn't throw his teammates under the bus and try to get them all traded...", "If he doesn't go off his meds before the All Star break...", "If he doesn't miss a 5 game critical road trip to handout Hyundai's in Pittsburgh...", "If he doesn't make a statement by shooting the ball 42 times in a game because he doesn't like a comment Marks made to the media..."

The list goes on...

Kyrie isn't getting his act together. Kyrie is a whole ass act. Basketball is not his priority and for all the care he professes for the common man, he could give two facks about his teammates, or anything to do with the sport. He's a guy who is incredibly good at his trade, but who likes, not loves the game, on a day to day basis. It's a vehicle and a hobby for him at best.

Kyrie was our best and most consistent player last year. He made All NBA and led us to the #2 seed.

If we get that Kyrie back I will be happy. Don't care is he misses a few weeks due to personal issues.

I'm not giving up our chance to compete period. I'd rather go down with the sinking ship then trade for Normal Powell and have no chance at all.

Kyrie can always be traded pretty easily. That deal will be there mid season.

[MrDollarBills]

Kyrie getting his act together?

It's been 11 years going on 12, he's been a cancer on every team he's played on.

Nothing will change. As Maya Angelou said, when someone shows you who they are the first time, believe them. This is who Kyrie is. Unreliable. Unstable. Cares nothing about the team.

[vincecarter4pres]

Another thing to keep in mind, Kyrie might be out there, but he's certainly not stupid, far from it.

If he signs a 3 year extension, even if it's for max money with no stipulations, he knows he's almost destined to be traded mid-season, and very likely to somewhere he would never approve of.

One of the main hold-ups right now could very well be he wants a no-trade-clause, and Marks and Tsai are holding in their uncontrollable laughter, but also secretly cringing and internally panicking that Kyrie is going to walk and sign some near max 2 year with ETO deal with Orlando, NYK, or Detroit, or a full MLE with LAC or Denver, etc., and they get literally nothing for him and lost that salary to send out in an outgoing trade.

He might not care enough about winning, but he surely cares about his perceived control of where he lives and how he goes about work and daily life.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Kyrie getting his act together?

It's been 11 years going on 12, he's been a cancer on every team he's played on.

Nothing will change. As Maya Angelou said, when someone shows you who they are the first time, believe them. This is who Kyrie is. Unreliable. Unstable. Cares nothing about the team.

Again Kyrie was our most consistent and best player last year. You guys act like its never happened before.

Year 1 he was injured
Year 3 there was a global pandemic

I'm not going to rule out him being willing and able to play.

Didn't they try saying this **** about Ron Artest? Oh he can never be part of a winning team. Then he was.

[Hello Brooklyn]

This seems perfectly reasonable. Kyrie being a drama queen for not taking it.

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If they could convince him to opt in and go there, I honestly wouldn't be shocked seeing a 3 team deal with Sacramento and Charlotte.

Kyrie to the Kings, immediately signs a fully guaranteed max extension. Picks 13 and 15 to Sacto. Future pick from us or Charlotte headed there as well. Thomas included. Rozier also to Sacto.

Fox and Barnes to Charlotte.

Hayward and 4th pick to us, take Jaden Ivey. He either looks like the next Ja Morant and makes KD happy, or he's used to get Dame or Donovan Mitchell. Or KD wants out next, so Ivey and to a lesser extent Simmons, future proofs us.

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Another thing to keep in mind, Kyrie might be out there, but he's certainly not stupid, far from it.

If he signs a 3 year extension, even if it's for max money with no stipulations, he knows he's almost destined to be traded mid-season, and very likely to somewhere he would never approve of.

One of the main hold-ups right now could very well be he wants a no-trade-clause, and Marks and Tsai are holding in their uncontrollable laughter, but also secretly cringing and internally panicking that Kyrie is going to walk and sign some near max 2 year with ETO deal with Orlando, NYK, or Detroit, or a full MLE with LAC or Denver, etc., and they get literally nothing for him and lost that salary to send out in an outgoing trade.

He might not care enough about winning, but he surely cares about his perceived control of where he lives and how he goes about work and daily life.

Great point. Had not thought about the no trade clause. Nets definitely don't want to give him that for a longer term max.