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Draft Thread - Kings move up to #4

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Who to Draft? or Trade the Pick

Trade the Pick
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Draft Murray
15
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Draft Ivey
11
18%
Draft Sharpe
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Re: Draft Thread - Kings move up to #4 

Post#261 » by OxAndFox » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:50 pm

Roddy B for 3 wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:Idk

Ivey + Holmes + Holiday + Harkless

or

Daniels + Duarte + Brogdan

I think I'm going with that bottom trio. Are we sure that Detroit is 1000% taking Murray? I've seen a lot of mocks having them take Mathurin/Sharpe. I'm not sure they are going to get the value they want for Grant for the same reason I don't think we will get the value for Barnes, we waited too long. Cade - Mathurin - Bey - Grant - Stewart is pretty solid.


If you took the Indy trade you could probably then trade down to #12 for a haul of draft picks and Dort.

Maybe ending up with:
Sabonis/FA
Barnes/Holiday
Dort/Duarte
Brogdon/Mitchell
Fox/Mitchell

+ #12, Houston '24 (top 5 protected), Detroit '23 (lottery protected, then two 2nds)

I feel like that team is much better than the current Kings and obviously has more future assets. So, more likely to reach the playoffs and still stuff to get better after that.


I'm not sure I would call that a haul of picks considering that Detroit 1st won't convey.
If Monte is asking for 2 firsts from 6 to 4. I would think it's more from 12 to 6.
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Re: Draft Thread - Kings move up to #4 

Post#262 » by OxAndFox » Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:55 pm

I still wouldn't be surprised if OKC takes Ivey @ 2 if Presti feels he can't trade up from #12.
Monte holds the cards over OKC to get Ivey and the Pistons can also sit back and dare Monte as well.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see Detroit have a deal lined up with OKC for #5 and #12 on the proviso Ivey is there.
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Re: Draft Thread - Kings move up to #4 

Post#263 » by LightTheBeam » Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:16 pm

Roddy B for 3 wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:Idk

Ivey + Holmes + Holiday + Harkless

or

Daniels + Duarte + Brogdan

I think I'm going with that bottom trio. Are we sure that Detroit is 1000% taking Murray? I've seen a lot of mocks having them take Mathurin/Sharpe. I'm not sure they are going to get the value they want for Grant for the same reason I don't think we will get the value for Barnes, we waited too long. Cade - Mathurin - Bey - Grant - Stewart is pretty solid.


If you took the Indy trade you could probably then trade down to #12 for a haul of draft picks and Dort.

Maybe ending up with:
Sabonis/FA
Barnes/Holiday
Dort/Duarte
Brogdon/Mitchell
Fox/Mitchell

+ #12, Houston '24 (top 5 protected), Detroit '23 (lottery protected, then two 2nds)

I feel like that team is much better than the current Kings and obviously has more future assets. So, more likely to reach the playoffs and still stuff to get better after that.


The team does like Sochan, could be Mike Brown's Draymond. Id ask for a legit pick in 2023 though, neither of those picks do anything for me, and I don't like Dort enough to justify that kind of a trade back. Something like Dort + 12 + OKC 2023 pick top 5 protected for #6 + Lyles. Or if OKC preferred to keep Dort, id do something like 12 + OKC (very lightly protected think 2 or 3) 2023 1st for #6. We already have Davis and can resign DDV so don't care much about Dort.

Draft Sochan at 12. Sign OPJ to the MLE.

Sabonis/Jones
OPJ/Sochan
Barnes/Duarte
Brogdan/Dort/Davis
Fox/Mitchell

Not sure if Id prefer this route vs just taking Daniels. But Kings come out with

Sochan + Dort + Brogdan + Duarte + a future OKC pick. Its not a bad summer. Gives us some defense, youth, and win now if Brogdan stays healthy.
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Re: Draft Thread - Kings move up to #4 

Post#264 » by Silver Man » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:15 pm

Think right now I go:

Ivey
Mathurin
Murray

Assuming Jabari, Chet, and Paolo are all gone.
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Post#265 » by OxAndFox » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:23 pm

OKCs problem, and it's a good one to have, is going to be they can't use all these picks.
Next year it looks likely they will have another 3 firsts.

There are 9 players currently under contract along with being under the age of 24. Add potentially 3 more this year and potentially three more next year along with two more 2nds and they have to purge some of these picks or risk losing value with young players being stuck behind one another. They already kicked the can down the road with the Denver deal.

Not a bad problem to have if you're active, and Presti certainly is, but I think their best bet is to not overthink it, draft Chet and then load up on next years draft, trade 12/34 to someone like Pacers/Blazers/Knicks or someone that would more than likely be a lottery team outside of the ones that definitely are ie Houston/Magic and then package everything next year for the #1 pick if the Thunder doesn't get it themselves (will be top 5) and draft Victor which would complete their rebuild.
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Re: Draft Thread - Kings move up to #4 

Post#266 » by OxAndFox » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:28 pm

I get the feeling now that Detroit/OKC/Knicks and some others want Ivey, Kings and Pacers want Keegan Murray. Blazers will take whatever deals/players slip through the cracks and Pelicans/Spurs simply take BPA.

On another note, Keegan Murray really feels like a Tyrese Haliburton player to me. Not a whole lot of flash, does everything well. If the Pacers end up with Murray then that will be quite a duo.
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Re: Draft Thread - Kings move up to #4 

Post#267 » by NYG » Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:57 pm

Amy chance the Kings pick Murray if Holmgren is on the board?
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Re: Draft Thread - Kings move up to #4 

Post#268 » by CraftylikeaFox » Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:04 am

Silver Man wrote:Think right now I go:

Ivey
Mathurin
Murray

Assuming Jabari, Chet, and Paolo are all gone.


Same. Praying for Ivey.
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Re: Draft Thread - Kings move up to #4 

Post#269 » by KF10 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:26 am

I get the Ivey appeal. I think he can be really good. At the end of the day, the Kings gave Fox the reigns of this team. This team is a Fox-orientated team. Haliburton was traded away and he is way less ball dominated player than Ivey. Ivey isn’t a good shooter yet and needs the ball in his hands to be effective. If Ivey is the pick, I believe the Kings will find themselves a similar situation like the Haliburton one.
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Re: Draft Thread - Kings move up to #4 

Post#270 » by BoogieTime » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:04 am

NYG wrote:Amy chance the Kings pick Murray if Holmgren is on the board?


Yes. Murray has the safer floor. Holmgren may never grown into a 5 and be exposed at 4, offensively and defensively. He might not survive period

Smith is limited offensively, totally.

I wouldn’t trade up at all
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Re: Draft Thread - Kings move up to #4 

Post#271 » by kalenclayton » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:22 am

NYG wrote:Amy chance the Kings pick Murray if Holmgren is on the board?

My gosh. I hope the Kings wouldn’t do something stupid like take Murray over Holmgren at 4 (if he falls).
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Re: Draft Thread - Kings move up to #4 

Post#272 » by LightTheBeam » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:43 am

KF10 wrote:I get the Ivey appeal. I think he can be really good. At the end of the day, the Kings gave Fox the reigns of this team. This team is a Fox-orientated team. Haliburton was traded away and he is way less ball dominated player than Ivey. Ivey isn’t a good shooter yet and needs the ball in his hands to be effective. If Ivey is the pick, I believe the Kings will find themselves a similar situation like the Haliburton one.
I see the fit a little bit different tbh. Haliburton didn't have the usage but he was definitely less impactful without the ball. He didnt beat guys on cuts or off the dribble, and his main value was passing the ball in the pick and roll (rendering fox a spot up 3pt shooter). There's some value in ivey using his athleticism in the fast break with Fox, and cutting off of Sabonis.

Also I'm not sure the fox/hali pairing would have been as bad if we had sabonis. As it was Fox was consistently drawing doubles and playing off ball with absolutely zero interior presence. I can't remember how many times I begged hali to be more aggressive but it seemed he refused to shoot and constantly look for the pass..

Here's a little write up about ivey "Active cutter and mover without the ball. Purdue loved to use him in handoff and screening actions that would slingshot him toward the basket."

That plus Ivey being more of a scorer than a playmaker, I think he would help take pressure off fox. Fox can settle into the lead role, but ivey can also get his. Hes definitely not a natural playmaker. It's like young beal or donovan mitchell, there's room for them to play with a guy like fox.

In terms of ivey shooting. I think it's important to look at his age, and the massive leap he took last year. Also read he shot and made more deep 3s than any other player so he wasn't just hitting random corner college 3s. That plus his 75% ft shooting, he can easily become a 37-40% 3pt shooter in the league imo.

In short, I think he's much more of a natural fit with fox tbh. Hali is slow, hali needs to be surrounded like Ben Simmons. A big man who can roll, and a bunch of shooters on the floor. But I get how you'd see it as a worse fit because haliburton was definitely a great 3pt shooter.



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Re: Draft Thread - Kings move up to #4 

Post#273 » by NYG » Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:04 am

kalenclayton wrote:
NYG wrote:Amy chance the Kings pick Murray if Holmgren is on the board?

My gosh. I hope the Kings wouldn’t do something stupid like take Murray over Holmgren at 4 (if he falls).


Would the real life regime do it though? I bet they wind up trading the pick with a whole new market with Holmgren instead of Ivey, but what if they don't like any of the offers and they love Murray?
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Re: Draft Thread - Kings move up to #4 

Post#274 » by kalenclayton » Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:22 am

NYG wrote:
kalenclayton wrote:
NYG wrote:Amy chance the Kings pick Murray if Holmgren is on the board?

My gosh. I hope the Kings wouldn’t do something stupid like take Murray over Holmgren at 4 (if he falls).


Would the real life regime do it though? I bet they wind up trading the pick with a whole new market with Holmgren instead of Ivey, but what if they don't like any of the offers and they love Murray?

I highly doubt Holmgren slips to 4, but hypothetically I think the Kings shop the pick. I don’t know that McNair could pass up that value. Detroit actually might be interested with a 4/5 swap if Holmgren is there. That’s a way that the Kings could still get Murray.
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Re: Draft Thread - Kings move up to #4 

Post#275 » by OxAndFox » Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:27 am

NYG wrote:
kalenclayton wrote:
NYG wrote:Amy chance the Kings pick Murray if Holmgren is on the board?

My gosh. I hope the Kings wouldn’t do something stupid like take Murray over Holmgren at 4 (if he falls).


Would the real life regime do it though? I bet they wind up trading the pick with a whole new market with Holmgren instead of Ivey, but what if they don't like any of the offers and they love Murray?


The way Monte has drafted so far in his career there is no way he passes on a guy that slips to him. Not suggesting he keeps that pick, but if he is trading the pick anyway, grab the player with more value.

I actually think Murray would have a better rookie campaign with the Kings than Chet would, however I go with the higher potential guy.
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Re: Draft Thread - Kings move up to #4 

Post#276 » by kalenclayton » Wed Jun 22, 2022 4:26 am

OxAndFox wrote:
NYG wrote:
kalenclayton wrote:My gosh. I hope the Kings wouldn’t do something stupid like take Murray over Holmgren at 4 (if he falls).


Would the real life regime do it though? I bet they wind up trading the pick with a whole new market with Holmgren instead of Ivey, but what if they don't like any of the offers and they love Murray?


The way Monte has drafted so far in his career there is no way he passes on a guy that slips to him. Not suggesting he keeps that pick, but if he is trading the pick anyway, grab the player with more value.

I actually think Murray would have a better rookie campaign with the Kings than Chet would, however I go with the higher potential guy.

I agree with your last point for sure. Murray will probably be top-3 in ROTY voting just based off of his readiness. If he were on the Kings, he would have tons of opportunities and could possibly win ROTY. That being said, I think he gets surpassed next year or the year after by 1+ players. I think there are at least 5 guys with higher ceilings than Murray in this draft.
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Re: Draft Thread - Kings move up to #4 

Post#277 » by City of Trees » Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:29 am

OxAndFox wrote:
NYG wrote:
kalenclayton wrote:My gosh. I hope the Kings wouldn’t do something stupid like take Murray over Holmgren at 4 (if he falls).


Would the real life regime do it though? I bet they wind up trading the pick with a whole new market with Holmgren instead of Ivey, but what if they don't like any of the offers and they love Murray?


The way Monte has drafted so far in his career there is no way he passes on a guy that slips to him. Not suggesting he keeps that pick, but if he is trading the pick anyway, grab the player with more value.

I actually think Murray would have a better rookie campaign with the Kings than Chet would, however I go with the higher potential guy.
Agreed. Woj keeps going on TV saying the Kings see this as a 4 player draft. Kings are telling on themselves, Murray at 4 is posturing.
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Re: Draft Thread - Kings move up to #4 

Post#278 » by LightTheBeam » Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:40 am

I have fallen in love with taking sochan.

My most ideal situation is coming out with Beal + 10 for #4 + filler. Obviously Beal wouldn't come to sac.

Starting to wonder about the spurs trade. Vassell + #9 + #20 is pretty enticing.

Could we flip Holmes + 20 to LAC for Powell? Or to Toronto for Trent Jr?

Fox/Mitchell
Powell/Davis
Vassell/Barnes
Barnes/Sochan
Sabonis/Jones



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Re: Draft Thread - Kings move up to #4 

Post#279 » by BoogieTime » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:15 am

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OxAndFox wrote:
NYG wrote:
Would the real life regime do it though? I bet they wind up trading the pick with a whole new market with Holmgren instead of Ivey, but what if they don't like any of the offers and they love Murray?


The way Monte has drafted so far in his career there is no way he passes on a guy that slips to him. Not suggesting he keeps that pick, but if he is trading the pick anyway, grab the player with more value.

I actually think Murray would have a better rookie campaign with the Kings than Chet would, however I go with the higher potential guy.
Agreed. Woj keeps going on TV saying the Kings see this as a 4 player draft. Kings are telling on themselves, Murray at 4 is posturing.


If they can't get nice win now talent through trade, its a possibility. He's nice in some ways, I think he makes some good reads as a SG as well. Its up to management to take serious stock of that undeveloped defense/mid range. SG isnt the teams biggest need, and Keegan probably has the edge as the safer player for the win now team, but it seems they are really valuing staying at 4 with what they are asking of the Pacers to move back 2 spots
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Re: Draft Thread - Kings move up to #4 

Post#280 » by wco81 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 1:12 pm

Woj said Kings may not decide on whether to trade or whom to draft until they're actually on the clock.

Sounds like a game of chicken with potential trade partners, how much they're willing to give up, how much the Kings are demanding.

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