What would it take for you to put Curry on Duncan's all-time level?

[DCasey91]

Along with the obvious longevity Duncan’s peak in 03 is about as a great as gets imo. I’m a big peak advocate guy and I don’t believe Curry could get close to that year. It is postionally different yes but for example give Curry that list and swap the very green TP for the center equivalent he ain’t getting close to a chip.

[hugepatsfan]

He’d need to peak as high as Duncan did. I don’t believe he has yet and seems unlikely his peak is coming.

Longevity is pass or fail for me. I just ask myself if you have enough longevity to be considered an all time great. If yes, then I’m just ranking you on your peak. Each guy at their best vs everyone else at their best, who am I taking. If I’m trying to rank who’s the best player of all time, that’s what it comes down to for me. I don’t care if one guy was great for 9 years while one guy was great for 14.

[WarriorGM]

Along with the obvious longevity Duncan’s peak in 03 is about as a great as gets imo. I’m a big peak advocate guy and I don’t believe Curry could get close to that year. It is postionally different yes but for example give Curry that list and swap the very green TP for the center equivalent he ain’t getting close to a chip.

Cannot get close to that year? What baloney is? Duncan never got close to a year with the greatest statistical output demanding unanimous MVP. 4 points in the waning minutes of a game 7 separated Curry from the greatest year of all-time in a playoffs he was coming off injury and league intervention resulted in him playing down a starter the last three games. Get your ridiculous takes out of here.

[Narigo]

Play at his 2016 level for the next few years

[WarriorGM]

Play at his 2016 level for the next few years

How many times did Duncan play at Curry's 2016 level?

He’d need to peak as high as Duncan did. I don’t believe he has yet and seems unlikely his peak is coming.

Longevity is pass or fail for me. I just ask myself if you have enough longevity to be considered an all time great. If yes, then I’m just ranking you on your peak. Each guy at their best vs everyone else at their best, who am I taking. If I’m trying to rank who’s the best player of all time, that’s what it comes down to for me. I don’t care if one guy was great for 9 years while one guy was great for 14.

People arguing Duncan over Curry based on longevity is understandable. But based on peak? Get out of here.

[Narigo]

Play at his 2016 level for the next few years

How many times did Duncan play at Curry's 2016 level?

He definitely peak higher than Curry did in 2002 and 2003.

[WarriorGM]

Play at his 2016 level for the next few years

How many times did Duncan play at Curry's 2016 level?

He definitely peak higher than Curry did in 2002 and 2003.

Based on?

[Narigo]

How many times did Duncan play at Curry's 2016 level?

He definitely peak higher than Curry did in 2002 and 2003.

Based on?

In 2002, he was arguably better than Shaq that year. He outplayed Shaq head to head in the playoffs while u doing a good job at defending him while Robinson was out with a injury for a couple of games in that series.

His 2003 run especially was huge carry job. He didnt had reliable second option. Parker and Ginobili were both inexperienced. His second best player was an old David Robinson who didnt really help him much on offense either. Then u consider defense as well in which he was much better than Curry on that end.

[WarriorGM]

He definitely peak higher than Curry did in 2002 and 2003.

Based on?

In 2002, he was arguably better than Shaq that year. He outplayed Shaq head to head in the playoffs while u doing a good job at defending him while Robinson was out with a injury for a couple of games in that series.

His 2003 run especially was huge carry job. He didnt had reliable second option. Parker and Ginobili were both inexperienced. His second best player was an old David Robinson who didnt really help him much on offense either. Then u consider defense as well in which he was much better than Curry on that end.

In other words you're going by impressions and not even an attempt at quantifiable data.

[LAL1947]

Actually he did have to take part in rebuild which occurred from fall of '01 to fall of '04. After the Spurs got swept by the Lakers in '01 David Robinson was way past his prime. He fell off greatly after '01. The Spurs had 0 all-star players during that 3 years playing with Duncan. They weren't even projected to be a top 4 team in the west heading into the '01-'02 season and most experts had them being around 5-7. That team's second leading scorer was 36 year old David Robinson averaging 12.2 points a game and it's third leading scorer was a 32 year old Steve Smith who averaged 11.6 points a game. Duncan lead that team to the second best record in the West and ended up winning his first MVP. Spurs added Parker and Manu during that stretch but it took them a full 3 years to develop. So yes Duncan did take part in a rebuild he was just that good that the Spurs could still win a ton of games off of his talent. It's why he won back to back MVPs during that stretch.

That's not true. The Spurs went into the 2001-02 season as the 2nd favorites for the title. This is how Timmy-myths are created on RealGM.

Here are the 2001-02 preseason odds:

- Los Angeles Lakers +200
- San Antonio Spurs +500
- Sacramento Kings +1000
- Philadelphia 76ers +1000
- Orlando Magic +1000
- Milwaukee Bucks +1000
- New York Knicks +1200
- Miami Heat +1200
- Toronto Raptors +1500
- Dallas Mavericks +1500

They also had the 2nd best Over-Under.

Team............................. Over-Under.......... Actual Win-Loss
Los Angeles Lakers ............ 58.5.................. 58-24 (under)
San Antonio Spurs.............. 53.5.................. 58-24 (over)
Seattle SuperSonics............. 53.5.................. 45-37 (under)
Sacramento Kings............... 52.5.................. 61-21 (over)
Dallas Mavericks................. 52.5.................. 57-25 (over)

Don't waste your time with me. I know your stance on Duncan and the Spurs. You are a biased Laker fan that is obsessed with putting Kobe above Duncan and will go out at all lengths to make sure Kobe is ranked above Duncan. From this point forward I'm not responding to any of your posts.

Hey, don't get all sensitive! If you Timmy-guys didn't make up stuff, then I wouldn't need to make posts correcting them. Anyway, take it up with BBallReference, cos I'm quoting them on the odds.

[Blame Rasho]

Along with the obvious longevity Duncan’s peak in 03 is about as a great as gets imo. I’m a big peak advocate guy and I don’t believe Curry could get close to that year. It is postionally different yes but for example give Curry that list and swap the very green TP for the center equivalent he ain’t getting close to a chip.

Cannot get close to that year? What baloney is? Duncan never got close to a year with the greatest statistical output demanding unanimous MVP. 4 points in the waning minutes of a game 7 separated Curry from the greatest year of all-time in a playoffs he was coming off injury and league intervention resulted in him playing down a starter the last three games. Get your ridiculous takes out of here.

You have had some of the worst and biggest homerific takes out here.

He was so good that he lost and was overshadowed by Irving… one of the most overrated players of this generation in a finals series and then needed his teammates to ask a MVP to get added to the team for another run.

You talk about what what if scenarios… let’s use your absurd logic since you talk about 4 mins away from a title.

2004… one shot likely separates the spurs from a three peat.

Oh wait even better… add that one to 2006 OT loss to Dallas because of Ginobili fouling Dirk, that can be 5 in a row…lol

He likely gets finals mvp because unlike curry he actually won several finals mvps because he was actually the most important player.

Lets also add 2013 and a missed rebound and lucky three.

So that is 7 titles now and then the year after is 8 titles.

Let’s see what you reply with… hahaha

In all reality, this time last year curry wasn’t remotely close to Duncan and one year doesn’t pass him or get near to him.

[WarriorGM]

Along with the obvious longevity Duncan’s peak in 03 is about as a great as gets imo. I’m a big peak advocate guy and I don’t believe Curry could get close to that year. It is postionally different yes but for example give Curry that list and swap the very green TP for the center equivalent he ain’t getting close to a chip.

Cannot get close to that year? What baloney is? Duncan never got close to a year with the greatest statistical output demanding unanimous MVP. 4 points in the waning minutes of a game 7 separated Curry from the greatest year of all-time in a playoffs he was coming off injury and league intervention resulted in him playing down a starter the last three games. Get your ridiculous takes out of here.

You have had some of the worst and biggest homerific takes out here.

He was so good that he lost and was overshadowed by Irving… one of the most overrated players of this generation in a finals series and then needed his teammates to ask a MVP to get added to the team for another run.

You talk about what what if scenarios… let’s use your absurd logic since you talk about 4 mins away from a title.

2004… one shot likely separates the spurs from a three peat.

Oh wait even better… add that one to 2006 OT loss to Dallas because of Ginobili fouling Dirk, that can be 5 in a row…lol

He likely gets finals mvp because unlike curry he actually won several finals mvps because he was actually the most important player.

Lets also add 2013 and a missed rebound and lucky three.

So that is 7 titles now and then the year after is 8 titles.

Let’s see what you reply with… hahaha

In all reality, this time last year curry wasn’t remotely close to Duncan and one year doesn’t pass him or get near to him.

If by worst takes you mean picking the Warriors to win at the start of the season when all the talking heads were writing them off one can only imagine how fantastic my good takes are.

Your examples to show how far away the Spurs were from defining achievements in comparison to Curry are apt. Curry was a couple shots away; the Spurs were a shot and a series against eventual champions away—close but not nearly as close.

In reality a year ago Curry had already achieved higher peaks than Duncan. These past couple of years were simply setting up how Curry can turn a garbage team around to win a championship for a second time at higher difficulty—something Duncan doesn't have a close comparison to in his career.

[G35]

Can he get to that point before the end of his career? If so, what would it take?

He would have to do what Tim Duncan did in 2003. Win without another elite player on the team.

PG Tony Parker (20 years old) 15.5 PPG
SG Stephen Jackson (24 years old) 11.8 PPG
SF Bruce Bowen (31 years old) 7.1 PPG
PF Tim Duncan (26 years old) 23.3 PPG
C David Robinson (37 years old) 8.5 PPG

Duncan was the only player to shoot over 50% on this team.

In the playoffs this was the PER for the other players outside of Duncan:
Parker 11.9
Jackson 12.0
Bowen 8.9
Ginobli 15.0
DRob 17.7
Rose 13.3

Compare this to this Warriors team this past year which would be the weakest team that Curry has around him:
Klay 14.1
Wiggins 16.0
Draymond 12.3
Poole 18.8
Looney 18.3
Payton 20.6
Porter 13.0

That 2003 Spurs team also went through Shaq and Kobe, Dirk/Nash/Finley/Van Exel. Veteran teams with ATG talent. There are few players that you can put beside Duncan.....

[AlexanderRight]

Starting to get a little ahead of ourselves are we? Tim Duncan still has 1 more Championship, 3 times as many Finals MVPs, and double the amount of All Star Selections and All NBA’s as Curry. And Timmy’s never had a player the level of a prime KD on his team. Steph ain’t on his level.

[Woodsanity]

Along with the obvious longevity Duncan’s peak in 03 is about as a great as gets imo. I’m a big peak advocate guy and I don’t believe Curry could get close to that year. It is postionally different yes but for example give Curry that list and swap the very green TP for the center equivalent he ain’t getting close to a chip.

Cannot get close to that year? What baloney is? Duncan never got close to a year with the greatest statistical output demanding unanimous MVP. 4 points in the waning minutes of a game 7 separated Curry from the greatest year of all-time in a playoffs he was coming off injury and league intervention resulted in him playing down a starter the last three games. Get your ridiculous takes out of here.

Not even remotely close in the playoffs where it matters. Also not close in the longevity department either.

[TheGOATWill]

not a ton. just dominate both ends of the floor 12 to 15 years.

[WarriorGM]

Along with the obvious longevity Duncan’s peak in 03 is about as a great as gets imo. I’m a big peak advocate guy and I don’t believe Curry could get close to that year. It is postionally different yes but for example give Curry that list and swap the very green TP for the center equivalent he ain’t getting close to a chip.

Cannot get close to that year? What baloney is? Duncan never got close to a year with the greatest statistical output demanding unanimous MVP. 4 points in the waning minutes of a game 7 separated Curry from the greatest year of all-time in a playoffs he was coming off injury and league intervention resulted in him playing down a starter the last three games. Get your ridiculous takes out of here.

Not even remotely close in the playoffs where it matters. Also not close in the longevity department either.

Again where does this not even remotely close come from? 2003 is presented as Duncan's crowning achievement. Okay what was the critical series there? The 50-win Lakers who were trying to take it easy after three consecutive deep playoffs runs? They were fortunate the previous year to get past the Kings and they would crumble the next against the Pistons. Great win but in hindsight the seeds of that version of the Lakers demise had already been planted. But it's Shaq and Kobe! you might exclaim. Well we saw KD, Harden and Kyrie this year and the havoc of what internal resentment at one of them perceived to be taking it easy could cause.

A victory over the Mavericks would have been impressive too—but Dirk got injured in Game 3 of that series and was out for the rest of it. Then it was the hapless Nets in the finals. A championship run with one impressive playoffs series win. Not shabby at all but expected of an all-time great player. Curry for his part took out the two closest MVPs in time to him one time and the two greatest guard rivals of his era while they were at their hungriest in another. I don't see an advantage for Duncan if that's all we're going by.

[timO]

Starting for 3 cheap rings curry has nothing to do.

Actually this last one is his best performance by miles on a finals and VS a team thats not depleted by injuries or playing as 1B with KD being the real 1A.

[WarriorGM]

Starting for 3 cheap rings curry has nothing to do.

Actually this last one is his best performance by miles on a finals and VS a team thats not depleted by injuries or playing as 1B with KD being the real 1A.

If playing with KD makes for cheap rings you'll have to explain to me why Harden, Westbrook, and Kyrie have had such a hard time getting one with him.

[AdagioPace]

Cannot get close to that year? What baloney is? Duncan never got close to a year with the greatest statistical output demanding unanimous MVP. 4 points in the waning minutes of a game 7 separated Curry from the greatest year of all-time in a playoffs he was coming off injury and league intervention resulted in him playing down a starter the last three games. Get your ridiculous takes out of here.

Not even remotely close in the playoffs where it matters. Also not close in the longevity department either.

Again where does this not even remotely close come from? 2003 is presented as Duncan's crowning achievement. Okay what was the critical series there? The 50-win Lakers who were trying to take it easy after three consecutive deep playoffs runs? They were fortunate the previous year to get past the Kings and they would crumble the next against the Pistons. Great win but in hindsight the seeds of that version of the Lakers demise had already been planted. But it's Shaq and Kobe! you might exclaim. Well we saw KD, Harden and Kyrie this year and the havoc of what internal resentment at one of them perceived to be taking it easy could cause.

A victory over the Mavericks would have been impressive too—but Dirk got injured in Game 3 of that series and was out for the rest of it. Then it was the hapless Nets in the finals. A championship run with one impressive playoffs series win. Not shabby at all but expected of an all-time great player. Curry for his part took out the two closest MVPs in time to him one time and the two greatest guard rivals of his era while they were at their hungriest in another. I don't see an advantage for Duncan if that's all we're going by.

Duncan's 3 year PS peak is historically impressive. No need for such a cheap hyperbole like yours.
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