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Who do you want us to take at #1?

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Who would you take at #1?

Jabari smith
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Chet Holmgren
63
29%
Paolo Banchero
27
13%
Jaden Ivey
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Keegan Murray
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0%
Shaedon Sharpe
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4%
Other
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1741 » by ibraheim718 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:14 pm

MAGICian619 wrote:I really do feel like tomorrow night Chet is going #1.

The question is do we trade him to OKC for #2 and #12?


If that was the case the smoke you'd hear is that the Magic were going to take Chet. If OKC really thinks Orlando is taking Smith they aren't trading anything. This is definitely a strange top of the order draft that's why I don't lean with the sharps. While Rob is right that the vegas odds usually tell the story this year might be an exception like the year Bennett was drafted.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1742 » by ibraheim718 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:17 pm

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jonbob17 wrote:
Must be a different sports book. What does the one you are looking at have Chet at? it's not the same the other direction, could be they are just skimming the margins.

EDIT:
Reading this one article that said on Draft Kings Banchero was 18-1 (+1800) on Friday, and heavy action over weekend moved Banchero all the way to +255

Draft Kings
Jabari -250
Paolo +255
Chet +350
2nd pick
Chet -220
Jabari +200
Paolo +350

Fanduel
Jabari -240
Paolo +240
Chet +380

Very interesting
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Wow. I still think Chet is gonna be the pick. That +400 is really tempting. I'd love to know whats happening thats moving these numbers

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Money being dumped on Smith and Banchero. Kind of feels like the "Chet is too frail" narrative is really having sway.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1743 » by Xatticus » Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:21 pm

jonbob17 wrote:Final wants.

1. Trade for 3, 17, Plus (draft Paolo)
2. Trade for 2 and 12 (Jabari)
3. Magic take their guy at 1, because they are 100% that is the guy, and they don't want to mess around.

I've flip flopped on all three guys. TBH, i think there is plenty of value in Paolo already being so good at so many things. All three guys have a lot of projection.

We'd be banking on Jabari getting much better off the dribble, at the rim, and as a passer. I think he will get better, and his floor as a shooter/defender is already so valuable.

If Paolo was a better defender, he is probably the consensus #1 by a wide margin. He shot 34% from 3 (3 attempts per game) and 73% from the line (5 attempts per game), seems like he will eventually shoot it well enough. 35% from 3 is fine, and should open up his offensive game. His footwork is so good on offense, I don't see why he can't be a good defender, or at least an average one.

I think for Chet to be his best he has to play the 5, and there are plenty of question marks, and plenty of development that will be required. The shot blocking is extremely valuable especially paired with his unique skillset (dribbling, shooting, and passing).

I fully expect the Magic to make their pick and get their guy, but if it were me, I think the top 3 are close enough, and i could be easily talked into any of these 3 guys as the top pick, so why not pick up additional rolls of the dice.

I was reading an article yesterday that has said the odds on Jabari as the first pick are all the way back down to around -150, which equates to around 61% chance in the eyes of the bettors/books. Which would indicate that the Magic have done a great job of keeping their mouth shut, and the bettors and the rest of the League do not know what We are going to do.


The issue is that those trades are off the table because our front office's infatuation with Jabari seems to be the worst kept secret in the NBA. Nobody is going to trade up if they know they can get their guy where they are. We can forget about any of that talk about our front office being very secretive. The NBA draft lottery happened on the 17th of May and it seemed to be generally accepted around the league that Jabari was our guy before the end of the combine (May 22).

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If Jabari is our guy, then there is a leak. Someone **** up big time. Matt Lloyd didn't depart until the 3rd of June, but maybe he was already on his way out the door? Perhaps he is the source.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1744 » by MagicTownBaller » Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:24 pm

With the reports coming out that Chet hasn't shared his medical records with Orlando or OKC, the more I welcome Jabari or Paolo.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1745 » by zaymon » Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:36 pm

Xatticus wrote:
jonbob17 wrote:Final wants.

1. Trade for 3, 17, Plus (draft Paolo)
2. Trade for 2 and 12 (Jabari)
3. Magic take their guy at 1, because they are 100% that is the guy, and they don't want to mess around.

I've flip flopped on all three guys. TBH, i think there is plenty of value in Paolo already being so good at so many things. All three guys have a lot of projection.

We'd be banking on Jabari getting much better off the dribble, at the rim, and as a passer. I think he will get better, and his floor as a shooter/defender is already so valuable.

If Paolo was a better defender, he is probably the consensus #1 by a wide margin. He shot 34% from 3 (3 attempts per game) and 73% from the line (5 attempts per game), seems like he will eventually shoot it well enough. 35% from 3 is fine, and should open up his offensive game. His footwork is so good on offense, I don't see why he can't be a good defender, or at least an average one.

I think for Chet to be his best he has to play the 5, and there are plenty of question marks, and plenty of development that will be required. The shot blocking is extremely valuable especially paired with his unique skillset (dribbling, shooting, and passing).

I fully expect the Magic to make their pick and get their guy, but if it were me, I think the top 3 are close enough, and i could be easily talked into any of these 3 guys as the top pick, so why not pick up additional rolls of the dice.

I was reading an article yesterday that has said the odds on Jabari as the first pick are all the way back down to around -150, which equates to around 61% chance in the eyes of the bettors/books. Which would indicate that the Magic have done a great job of keeping their mouth shut, and the bettors and the rest of the League do not know what We are going to do.


The issue is that those trades are off the table because our front office's infatuation with Jabari seems to be the worst kept secret in the NBA. Nobody is going to trade up if they know they can get their guy where they are. We can forget about any of that talk about our front office being very secretive. The NBA draft lottery happened on the 17th of May and it seemed to be generally accepted around the league that Jabari was our guy before the end of the combine (May 22).

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If Jabari is our guy, then there is a leak. Someone **** up big time. Matt Lloyd didn't depart until the 3rd of June, but maybe he was already on his way out the door? Perhaps he is the source.


or Jabari is not our guy and then we have perfect smoke screen :P Mike Miller is Banchero and Hampton agent. Mosley once told how important will be passing for our prospect. Weltman said he wants to increase our basketball IQ. It all rules out Jabari if you think about it. There was not one piece of info that would point towards Jabari outside some shady reporting
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1746 » by Xatticus » Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:41 pm

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Xatticus wrote:
jonbob17 wrote:Final wants.

1. Trade for 3, 17, Plus (draft Paolo)
2. Trade for 2 and 12 (Jabari)
3. Magic take their guy at 1, because they are 100% that is the guy, and they don't want to mess around.

I've flip flopped on all three guys. TBH, i think there is plenty of value in Paolo already being so good at so many things. All three guys have a lot of projection.

We'd be banking on Jabari getting much better off the dribble, at the rim, and as a passer. I think he will get better, and his floor as a shooter/defender is already so valuable.

If Paolo was a better defender, he is probably the consensus #1 by a wide margin. He shot 34% from 3 (3 attempts per game) and 73% from the line (5 attempts per game), seems like he will eventually shoot it well enough. 35% from 3 is fine, and should open up his offensive game. His footwork is so good on offense, I don't see why he can't be a good defender, or at least an average one.

I think for Chet to be his best he has to play the 5, and there are plenty of question marks, and plenty of development that will be required. The shot blocking is extremely valuable especially paired with his unique skillset (dribbling, shooting, and passing).

I fully expect the Magic to make their pick and get their guy, but if it were me, I think the top 3 are close enough, and i could be easily talked into any of these 3 guys as the top pick, so why not pick up additional rolls of the dice.

I was reading an article yesterday that has said the odds on Jabari as the first pick are all the way back down to around -150, which equates to around 61% chance in the eyes of the bettors/books. Which would indicate that the Magic have done a great job of keeping their mouth shut, and the bettors and the rest of the League do not know what We are going to do.


The issue is that those trades are off the table because our front office's infatuation with Jabari seems to be the worst kept secret in the NBA. Nobody is going to trade up if they know they can get their guy where they are. We can forget about any of that talk about our front office being very secretive. The NBA draft lottery happened on the 17th of May and it seemed to be generally accepted around the league that Jabari was our guy before the end of the combine (May 22).

Spoiler:
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If Jabari is our guy, then there is a leak. Someone **** up big time. Matt Lloyd didn't depart until the 3rd of June, but maybe he was already on his way out the door? Perhaps he is the source.


or Jabari is not our guy and then we have perfect smoke screen :P Mike Miller is Banchero and Hampton agent. Mosley once told how important will be passing for our prospect. Weltman said he wants to increase our basketball IQ. It all rules out Jabari if you think about it. There was not one piece of info that would point towards Jabari outside some shady reporting


It's not really shady reporting though. This seems to be the general consensus around the entire league. Something came from somewhere that had enough legs that the entire league believed it.

I'm holding out hope, but it certainly does feel like the cat is out of the bag. Woj didn't really commit in his choice of words though, so maybe he isn't that confident in what he has heard.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1747 » by basketballRob » Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:43 pm

Wow!

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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1748 » by 89Magicfan » Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:51 pm

Welp, we do tend to draft guys we don’t workout.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1749 » by Knightro » Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:54 pm

Xatticus wrote:
KillMonger wrote:JS 6'10 mikal bridges right now....rashard lewis/MPJ years down the line?


No. Bridges was always an exceptional finisher. He is also more perimeter oriented. It's impossible to come up with a perfect comp for Jabari because of how low his 2P% is. It just doesn't happen among top prospects. Jordan Hall is another player that has a very low 2P% this year.

I'd say that his closest comp is probably Harrison Barnes? Barnes is better at attacking the basket, but that's where you hope some improvement comes in for JSJ. Perhaps JJJ is another comp, but JJJ is a much better rim protector, albeit with a very high foul rate.


Maybe like prime Ryan Anderson offensively with way better 1 on 1 and switch ability defensively?
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1750 » by Knightro » Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:56 pm

basketballRob wrote:Wow!

Read on Twitter


I'm about 90% sure Wasserman never actually said this. Looks like a classic case of aggregate media.
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Post#1751 » by jonbob17 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 5:57 pm

Xatticus wrote:
The issue is that those trades are off the table because our front office's infatuation with Jabari seems to be the worst kept secret in the NBA. Nobody is going to trade up if they know they can get their guy where they are. We can forget about any of that talk about our front office being very secretive. The NBA draft lottery happened on the 17th of May and it seemed to be generally accepted around the league that Jabari was our guy before the end of the combine (May 22).

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If Jabari is our guy, then there is a leak. Someone **** up big time. Matt Lloyd didn't depart until the 3rd of June, but maybe he was already on his way out the door? Perhaps he is the source.


I mean basketball Rob was saying the betting odds on Jabari was at -140 yesterday, and Paolo's odds at 1st pick has gone from +1800 to +240 since Friday. That sounds like a betting public and books that don't know what is going on.

Last year Cade was -8000 to be the first pick in the days before the draft (lay $8000 to win $100). That's what a cat leaving the bag looks like

Anthony edwards ended up -240 the day before the draft. and Ball was +175, so i guess we are pretty close to that year, including a top 3
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Post#1752 » by thelead » Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:00 pm

dsg2021 wrote:I think it was some kind of longer high school game tape I found on Sharpe, but I was watching him having trouble driving once in a while. Like, lose the ball kind of bad. I have no problem seeing Ivey as the next Ja Morant or D. Wade, but Sharpe screams Mario Hezonja to me.

Yup. I was super high on Sharpe due to the weak class and before we secured the #1 pick. But once longer game tapes started to hit the web and not just highlight videos, it made me significantly cool on him. I wouldn't take him top ten based on the info we have. Of course, we have no idea how he looks today in private workouts.
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Post#1753 » by jonbob17 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:09 pm

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dsg2021 wrote:I think it was some kind of longer high school game tape I found on Sharpe, but I was watching him having trouble driving once in a while. Like, lose the ball kind of bad. I have no problem seeing Ivey as the next Ja Morant or D. Wade, but Sharpe screams Mario Hezonja to me.

Yup. I was super high on Sharpe due to the weak class and before we secured the #1 pick. But once longer game tapes started to hit the web and not just highlight videos, it made me significantly cool on him. I wouldn't take him top ten based on the info we have. Of course, we have no idea how he looks today in private workouts.


Yah, i wouldn't be shocked if he fell out of the lottery. Just a huge gamble.
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Post#1754 » by Def Swami » Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:10 pm

Xatticus wrote:
jonbob17 wrote:Final wants.

1. Trade for 3, 17, Plus (draft Paolo)
2. Trade for 2 and 12 (Jabari)
3. Magic take their guy at 1, because they are 100% that is the guy, and they don't want to mess around.

I've flip flopped on all three guys. TBH, i think there is plenty of value in Paolo already being so good at so many things. All three guys have a lot of projection.

We'd be banking on Jabari getting much better off the dribble, at the rim, and as a passer. I think he will get better, and his floor as a shooter/defender is already so valuable.

If Paolo was a better defender, he is probably the consensus #1 by a wide margin. He shot 34% from 3 (3 attempts per game) and 73% from the line (5 attempts per game), seems like he will eventually shoot it well enough. 35% from 3 is fine, and should open up his offensive game. His footwork is so good on offense, I don't see why he can't be a good defender, or at least an average one.

I think for Chet to be his best he has to play the 5, and there are plenty of question marks, and plenty of development that will be required. The shot blocking is extremely valuable especially paired with his unique skillset (dribbling, shooting, and passing).

I fully expect the Magic to make their pick and get their guy, but if it were me, I think the top 3 are close enough, and i could be easily talked into any of these 3 guys as the top pick, so why not pick up additional rolls of the dice.

I was reading an article yesterday that has said the odds on Jabari as the first pick are all the way back down to around -150, which equates to around 61% chance in the eyes of the bettors/books. Which would indicate that the Magic have done a great job of keeping their mouth shut, and the bettors and the rest of the League do not know what We are going to do.


The issue is that those trades are off the table because our front office's infatuation with Jabari seems to be the worst kept secret in the NBA. Nobody is going to trade up if they know they can get their guy where they are. We can forget about any of that talk about our front office being very secretive. The NBA draft lottery happened on the 17th of May and it seemed to be generally accepted around the league that Jabari was our guy before the end of the combine (May 22).

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If Jabari is our guy, then there is a leak. Someone **** up big time. Matt Lloyd didn't depart until the 3rd of June, but maybe he was already on his way out the door? Perhaps he is the source.

I think that's my read of the situation.

There aren't too many good reasons for Banchero to not work out for the Magic. Only plausible one I can think of is Houston became infatuated with Banchero and Banchero became infatuated with Houston. Houston told Banchero they were going to take him at #3. Orlando tipped their hand to the league and Houston told Banchero the only reason the Magic would work him out is to use it as leverage against Houston in a potential trade down to #3 to gain another asset. To protect themselves, I'm sure Houston told Banchero to just shut it down and wait for his name to be called at #3. Banchero hears the chatter about Orlando being in love with Smith and he's probably content with Houston, doesn't want to waste his time with a workout that he feels is meaningless, and doesn't want to compromise the leverage of his future team in Houston.

The unanimous feeling among the NBA media that we were going to take Smith from lottery night onwards in a 3 player draft was awkward. Smith might end up the best player, but I feel like they may have mismanaged the situation.
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Post#1755 » by Knightro » Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:13 pm

Wasserman's exact quote was

"I've heard mixed things, I've also been told he hasn't given his medicals to Orlando or Oklahoma City. There's some questions on whether or not he took the heart test with the NBA. I don't know know for sure, so I don't want to say he didn't."

Not as definitive as the framing of the tweet would suggest.
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Post#1756 » by Def Swami » Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:17 pm

Knightro wrote:Wasserman's exact quote was

"I've heard mixed things, I've also been told he hasn't given his medicals to Orlando or Oklahoma City. There's some questions on whether or not he took the heart test with the NBA. I don't know know for sure, so I don't want to say he didn't."

Not as definitive as the framing of the tweet would suggest.

I think if he drops past 2 or 3, I would figure this might be the reason. I can't imagine the Thunder would even risk taking a guy they couldn't at least get the medical report on.
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Post#1757 » by thelead » Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:19 pm

Knightro wrote:Wasserman's exact quote was

"I've heard mixed things, I've also been told he hasn't given his medicals to Orlando or Oklahoma City. There's some questions on whether or not he took the heart test with the NBA. I don't know know for sure, so I don't want to say he didn't."

Not as definitive as the framing of the tweet would suggest.

Yeah but Wasserman is pretty plugged in from what I understand... if he's questioning it, it makes my ears perk up a bit.

edit: it doesn't really matter though. If it is or isn't true, Orlando and OKC knows the facts. We'll find out tomorrow. Neither team will take him if true. If Chet goes top-2, the rumor is false. No one is going to pass up on Paolo if Chet is hiding his medical reports.
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Post#1758 » by basketballRob » Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:21 pm

Knightro wrote:Wasserman's exact quote was

"I've heard mixed things, I've also been told he hasn't given his medicals to Orlando or Oklahoma City. There's some questions on whether or not he took the heart test with the NBA. I don't know know for sure, so I don't want to say he didn't."

Not as definitive as the framing of the tweet would suggest.
I'm sure he'll do interviews today and answer questions about it.

Jabari just did another one with Malika Andrews.

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Post#1759 » by BlueBlazer » Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:22 pm

The level of pre-draft subterfuge is like an 11 this year lol
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Post#1760 » by LDNMagic90 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:31 pm

I’m so happy the draft is tomorrow because I don’t know how much I can take with some of these rumours and stuff

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