Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Bobby back on a 4/$49 deal, Ingles 1 year deal

Post #521 » by **paulpressey25** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:32 pm

Safe to assume then that Bobby coming back also.

So now it really comes down to what do you get for:

#24
Grayson (and/or Hill's salary as trade filler)
Taxpayer MLE

emunney · Post #522 » by **emunney** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:40 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Safe to assume then that Bobby coming back also.

So now it really comes down to what do you get for:

#24
Grayson (and/or Hill's salary as trade filler)
Taxpayer MLE

Folks it is Garrett Temple season

PG Graveyard · Post #523 » by **PG Graveyard** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:42 pm

emunney wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:Safe to assume then that Bobby coming back also.

So now it really comes down to what do you get for:

#24
Grayson (and/or Hill's salary as trade filler)
Taxpayer MLE

Folks it is Garrett Temple season

Is Gary Harris the new Garrett Temple?

chonestown · Post #524 » by **chonestown** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:51 pm

emunney wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:
emunney wrote:
Rather have 13 and 15 than 4.

God no. I’d take Ivey over 13,14,15, and 16. Clear number one guy in the draft to me.

It's not that I don't like Ivey, but I don't see him as some mega prospect or even more-than-likely an all-star. And while I'd most likely take him at 4 if he was there (not a given), I'd much, much rather take my chances at 13-16 with like Branham, Eason, Mark and Jalen Williams. Ivey is still more intrigue than player at this point; he's extremely far behind where Morant was when he was drafted.

I wasn't super impressed with Ivey but tbf he had to deal with Brad Davidson when I watched him play.

CharityStripe34 · Post #525 » by **CharityStripe34** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:54 pm

Nice news about Pat. Perfectly good glue-guy off the bench who can make some big plays in a playoff game (or series). And he and Gianni are very close so that definitely helped his case.

For a potential future $10-12 million per year deal I wonder if that means Horst is thinking about moving Brook at the deadline (since he's also expiring). Would be nice to keep Bobby too.

DingleJerry · Post #526 » by **DingleJerry** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:56 pm

I'm happy to have him back. But I'd also add if this max extension happens that I think it's an overpay. I guess you'd have the contract/salary slot and still a solid player in Pat. But 4/50ish for a player like him seems a bit much. I'm hoping they tack on like a 2/18ish. He's here for 3 more years and gets a bit of a raise but team isn't on the hook for 5 years.

Post #527 » by **paulpressey25** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:00 pm

DingleJerry wrote:I'm happy to have him back. But I'd also add if this max extension happens that I think it's an overpay. I guess you'd have the contract/salary slot and still a solid player in Pat. But 4/50ish for a player like him seems a bit much. I'm hoping they tack on like a 2/18ish. He's here for 3 more years and gets a bit of a raise but team isn't on the hook for 5 years.

Pat would have gotten 4/$44 full MLE as a minimum if he hit the open market. He's not dumb. That extension will be 3/$36 or 4/$48 IMO.

chonestown · Post #528 » by **chonestown** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:02 pm

chonestown wrote:
emunney wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:God no. I’d take Ivey over 13,14,15, and 16. Clear number one guy in the draft to me.

It's not that I don't like Ivey, but I don't see him as some mega prospect or even more-than-likely an all-star. And while I'd most likely take him at 4 if he was there (not a given), I'd much, much rather take my chances at 13-16 with like Branham, Eason, Mark and Jalen Williams. Ivey is still more intrigue than player at this point; he's extremely far behind where Morant was when he was drafted.

I wasn't super impressed with Ivey but tbf he had to deal with Brad Davidson when I watched him play.

This is the same Brad Davidson who auditioned in front of Horts and others. Someone might have a sweet tooth for some Davidsontangibles, this is a term I just concocted. Feel free to use, no big deal.

DingleJerry · Post #529 » by **DingleJerry** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:05 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
DingleJerry wrote:I'm happy to have him back. But I'd also add if this max extension happens that I think it's an overpay. I guess you'd have the contract/salary slot and still a solid player in Pat. But 4/50ish for a player like him seems a bit much. I'm hoping they tack on like a 2/18ish. He's here for 3 more years and gets a bit of a raise but team isn't on the hook for 5 years.

Pat would have gotten 4/$44 full MLE as a minimum if he hit the open market. He's not dumb. That extension will be 3/$36 or 4/$48 IMO.

I understand our hands our tied, overpays are the way of the nba, if we lose him we lose the salary slot, etc. So I kinda get you have to do it. But I'd guess if that team like you said gives to him or the Bucks give that much that they'll likely regret it and/or be looking to get off it before the contract is over. Essentially just saying because someone else overpays doesn't mean your team has to, but in the bucks cap situation you're kind of forced into it. Just hope they can play some good faith card to keep the number or years down a bit. ETA: reminder the extension will start in his age 31 season

MVP2110 · Post #530 » by **MVP2110** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:07 pm

I'm not sure 4/48 is even an overpay. He's proven to be a reliable shooter in the playoffs, plays solid switchable defense, and has even upped his playmaking a bit. It's not easy to find guys who can handle 25ish minutes in a playoff game.

BigO · Post #531 » by **BigO** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:12 pm

DingleJerry wrote:I'm happy to have him back. But I'd also add if this max extension happens that I think it's an overpay. I guess you'd have the contract/salary slot and still a solid player in Pat. But 4/50ish for a player like him seems a bit much. I'm hoping they tack on like a 2/18ish. He's here for 3 more years and gets a bit of a raise but team isn't on the hook for 5 years.

That would be a big overpay. Portis is much more valuable to the team, so if he somehow leaves because of a lack of a decent offer, that's a huge step backward. Ideally, PC is an 8th or 9th man. Portis is much more than bench glue.

Post #532 » by **paulpressey25** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:30 pm

BigO wrote:
That would be a big overpay. Portis is much more valuable to the team, so if he somehow leaves because of a lack of a decent offer, that's a huge step backward. Ideally, PC is an 8th or 9th man. Portis is much more than bench glue.

Pat's damn valuable. Damn valuable.

That said, don't worry about Portis. Continue to believe the handshake deal is there.

Rstuedes24 · Post #533 » by **Rstuedes24** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:35 pm

Way too much under appreciation on Pat. Everyone talks all the time about needing players that fit well around Giannis and aren’t going to shrink in the playoffs. Pat is exactly that and you do what you need to do in order to keep him.

drew881 · Post #534 » by **drew881** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:43 pm

emunney wrote:

Read on Twitter

Lasry probably being sneaky on the investment side:

Rstuedes24 · Post #535 » by **Rstuedes24** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:03 pm

Grayson/Hill/24 for Osman/14/56

Cavs get a few guys that can help get them back in the playoffs at the cost of moving back 10 spots in the draft.

We get a solid wing player, move up and hopefully get a guy we like at 14, and get a chance to take a flyer on a late 2nd guy as well.

LittleRooster · Post #536 » by **LittleRooster** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:07 pm

Great to have Pat back

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Licensed to Il · Post #537 » by **Licensed to Il** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:33 pm

I like Pat a lot. Getting guarded by a strong, fast, hustle guy is very taxing. Im not going to say Pat is prime Bruce Bowen, but he gives you good offensive minutes and he makes guys work via his defensive energy. Ive seen him targeted at times, but its not the norm. And even if he can be an occasional vulnerability defending the ball, he is a very active off ball defender. Maybe his ideal role is as an 8th man. But you can win games with him in your starting lineup.

This is a good retention.

BigO · Post #538 » by **BigO** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:33 pm

Rstuedes24 wrote:Way too much under appreciation on Pat. Everyone talks all the time about needing players that fit well around Giannis and aren’t going to shrink in the playoffs. Pat is exactly that and you do what you need to do in order to keep him.

Everyone who has any skill fits well around Giannis. Not sure who you're referring to that doesn't fit well around the best player in the world.

PC has played as well as he can and has been a great team player. He also probably had his best year as a pro.

Having said that, is he worth 4 years at 12 million/year? I don't think so, but I'm not going to argue it to the death. I do like his shooting.

What I want is a switchable wing defender who has an edge to them. The edge part is lacking in everyone on the Bucks, except Giannis and Bobby and maybe Jevon Carter. Hopefully, a younger version of PJ, which is surprisingly hard to find.

buckboy · Post #539 » by **buckboy** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:35 pm

I can't quite put my finger on what worries me about Ivey, but I just don't see it with him. He's not a great shooter, but he is defenitely explosive off the dribble.

I can see why teams like him, but I just would be very hesitant to pick him top 5.

DingleJerry · Post #540 » by **DingleJerry** » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:39 pm

buckboy wrote:I can't quite put my finger on what worries me about Ivey, but I just don't see it with him. He's not a great shooter, but he is defenitely explosive off the dribble.

I can see why teams like him, but I just would be very hesitant to pick him top 5.

Same vibe here. Never blew off the screen to me.

But, I'd still take him top 5 if I had that pick because it's not like almost everyone else doesn't have issues too. But it's not like I'm clamoring for him, or am soooo confident in him as a star to trade up to get him (future picks or proven good vets, etc). Yea seems like a good prospect and you can see the possibilities with him, but I don't view him as some home run lock type pick either.