Draft Thread - Kings move up to #4

[OGSactownballer]

personally I could be here for it if we came out with John collins and Daniels, in a three team

I see this as absolutely ideal. Especially since this means we would also see another piece and quite likely a future first.

If Monte does this he had better be extended the next morning.

[Adg1987]

I am very surprised that Ivey is last on the poll. I watched him a lot at Purdue and he is a dynamic players that is built for the NBA. Easily can be the star the Kings need to get out the playoff drought

[City of Trees]

I am very surprised that Ivey is last on the poll. I watched him a lot at Purdue and he is a dynamic players that is built for the NBA. Easily can be the star the Kings need to get out the playoff drought

Poll is over 1 month old. Sharpe stole a lot of votes here that probably don't hold up with opinion today. Maybe we should do another poll now that we are only one day away?

[Adg1987]

I am very surprised that Ivey is last on the poll. I watched him a lot at Purdue and he is a dynamic players that is built for the NBA. Easily can be the star the Kings need to get out the playoff drought

Poll is over 1 month old. Sharpe stole a lot of votes here that probably don't hold up with opinion today. Maybe we should do another poll now that we are only one day away?

Personally I will be happy with Ivey or Murray. I just think we need to get value if we do not have Ivey. I would rather keep him of course. They are probably going to be the two best players in this draft initially. The bigs will need more time.

[OGSactownballer]

Amy chance the Kings pick Murray if Holmgren is on the board?

My gosh. I hope the Kings wouldn’t do something stupid like take Murray over Holmgren at 4 (if he falls).

They won’t need to. They will immediately rocket up the value of the pick and have their choice of great deals or just take Chet and hope for the best.

I’m not a fan so I hope for the get a third star/solid core role piece (Collins) and extra assets route as a strong first choice.

[OGSactownballer]

I am very surprised that Ivey is last on the poll. I watched him a lot at Purdue and he is a dynamic players that is built for the NBA. Easily can be the star the Kings need to get out the playoff drought

I honestly see Ivey starting off at the current level of Jordan Poole by the end of his rookie campaign and that’s nothing to sneeze at. I also feel that with the type of high post facilitation that Sabonis provides (very similar to Draymond for the Dubs), having multiple ball dominant scorers/finishers with top end speed on the other end of those excellent feeds is not an issue but rather a huge net positive.

I can easily live with taking Ivey and moving forward and working trades to fill out the other needs.

[Adg1987]

Amy chance the Kings pick Murray if Holmgren is on the board?

My gosh. I hope the Kings wouldn’t do something stupid like take Murray over Holmgren at 4 (if he falls).

They won’t need to. They will immediately rocket up the value of the pick and have their choice of great deals or just take Chet and hope for the best.

I’m not a fan so I hope for the get a third star/solid core role piece (Collins) and extra assets route as a strong first choice.

They would be very happy if Chet fell.

[blind prophet]

I am very surprised that Ivey is last on the poll. I watched him a lot at Purdue and he is a dynamic players that is built for the NBA. Easily can be the star the Kings need to get out the playoff drought

Poll is over 1 month old. Sharpe stole a lot of votes here that probably don't hold up with opinion today. Maybe we should do another poll now that we are only one day away?

Good idea. I'm still not sure what to do, but voted Murray when the poll came out.

[LightTheBeam]

I am very surprised that Ivey is last on the poll. I watched him a lot at Purdue and he is a dynamic players that is built for the NBA. Easily can be the star the Kings need to get out the playoff drought

Poll is over 1 month old. Sharpe stole a lot of votes here that probably don't hold up with opinion today. Maybe we should do another poll now that we are only one day away?

Good idea. I'm still not sure what to do, but voted Murray when the poll came out.

I voted trade the pick. After seeing Utah basically say they aren't trading Mitchell, id probably lean towards drafting Ivey now.

[LightTheBeam]

Woj said Kings may not decide on whether to trade or whom to draft until they're actually on the clock.

Sounds like a game of chicken with potential trade partners, how much they're willing to give up, how much the Kings are demanding.

This was always going to be the case. There is no benefit to jumping the gun early. Right now it seems like the 3 bigs will all go 1-3, but you just never know when a team is going to throw out a curve ball. That could change potential trades, and also maybe the Kings love one of those guys?

Glad hes being patient.

[City of Trees]

New poll posted. Go vote.

[BoogieTime]

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Aside from being a stick that may never become a center or hold up...

I've only seen this from Wasserman so far though

[LightTheBeam]

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Aside from being a stick that may never become a center or hold up...

I've only seen this from Wasserman so far though

Not sure why you keep saying this. Does he need to become a center for some reason? The usual knock on a big man forced to play center is 3 things

1. Can't dribble
2. Not fast enough to defend on the perimeter
3. Can't shoot

I think Chet can do all 3 of those things, so kinda unsure why hes either forced to play center or bust. He's the exact kind of fit we need next to Sabonis. Literally covers all of his weaknesses day 1.

I've seen you throw around pairing Turner back up with Sabonis. Chet seems to have the floor of Turner, but a much higher ceiling due to his passing/ball handling abilities. Of course it would be better if you could add 25lbs of muscle, but aside from that I couldn't create a better fit.

[BoogieTime]

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Aside from being a stick that may never become a center or hold up...

I've only seen this from Wasserman so far though

Not sure why you keep saying this. Does he need to become a center for some reason? The usual knock on a big man forced to play center is 3 things

1. Can't dribble
2. Not fast enough to defend on the perimeter
3. Can't shoot

I think Chet can do all 3 of those things, so kinda unsure why hes either forced to play center or bust. He's the exact kind of fit we need next to Sabonis. Literally covers all of his weaknesses day 1.

I've seen you throw around pairing Turner back up with Sabonis. Chet seems to have the floor of Turner, but a much higher ceiling due to his passing/ball handling abilities. Of course it would be better if you could add 25lbs of muscle, but aside from that I couldn't create a better fit.

The only reason I like Turner is because he is qualitatively the best player available IMO in our range that would be available (dont think Bey would). Better than Grant, Duarte, Brogdon for example.

I'm not hating on taking Chet, but man I would be wary of him falling like that, and I have always been flabbergasted at the notion of trading up in this draft for him or limited offense Jabari. We're fine drafting in spot. Chet is talented, for sure, if Monte feels good about it, fine.

Chet seems very boom or bust with that body. I think I just assumed he would be clunky defensively in space since I haven't really studied him, but, I don't know if I would be more wary of that unprecedented body breaking down constantly cutting etc on the perimeter vrs being beaten down inside

[LightTheBeam]

Yeah, we may just be bad trade partners. I wouldn't be surprised if we were able to get the Portland pick at #7 plus other pieces for Grant without giving up our pick.

Had this one saved for when the trade happened. Sorry man, I just think Grant being on the expiring wasn't going to lead to a ton of value. Not a bad trade considering Detroit opened up a bunch of cap space, got a late 1st, and moved up in the 2nd!

[SAKURABA216]

I know man, I know lol....

[SAKURABA216]

The Basketball gods will make up for this when you guys draft Keegan and allow Ivey to fall to us at #4

[OGSactownballer]

Yeah, we may just be bad trade partners. I wouldn't be surprised if we were able to get the Portland pick at #7 plus other pieces for Grant without giving up our pick.

Had this one saved for when the trade happened. Sorry man, I just think Grant being on the expiring wasn't going to lead to a ton of value. Not a bad trade considering Detroit opened up a bunch of cap space, got a late 1st, and moved up in the 2nd!

Portland is about to change ownership and I believe they are going for a win now with Dame while simultaneously clearing the books for the sale.

Grant is going to try to get stupid money and he just isn’t worth it.

[KF10]

I see the fit a little bit different tbh. Haliburton didn't have the usage but he was definitely less impactful without the ball. He didnt beat guys on cuts or off the dribble, and his main value was passing the ball in the pick and roll (rendering fox a spot up 3pt shooter). There's some value in ivey using his athleticism in the fast break with Fox, and cutting off of Sabonis.

Also I'm not sure the fox/hali pairing would have been as bad if we had sabonis. As it was Fox was consistently drawing doubles and playing off ball with absolutely zero interior presence. I can't remember how many times I begged hali to be more aggressive but it seemed he refused to shoot and constantly look for the pass..

Here's a little write up about ivey "Active cutter and mover without the ball. Purdue loved to use him in handoff and screening actions that would slingshot him toward the basket."

That plus Ivey being more of a scorer than a playmaker, I think he would help take pressure off fox. Fox can settle into the lead role, but ivey can also get his. Hes definitely not a natural playmaker. It's like young beal or donovan mitchell, there's room for them to play with a guy like fox.

In terms of ivey shooting. I think it's important to look at his age, and the massive leap he took last year. Also read he shot and made more deep 3s than any other player so he wasn't just hitting random corner college 3s. That plus his 75% ft shooting, he can easily become a 37-40% 3pt shooter in the league imo.

In short, I think he's much more of a natural fit with fox tbh. Hali is slow, hali needs to be surrounded like Ben Simmons. A big man who can roll, and a bunch of shooters on the floor. But I get how you'd see it as a worse fit because haliburton was definitely a great 3pt shooter.



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I just still have questions on whether or not Ivey can possibly fit in the Fox & Sabonis-centric team. It's up to Coach Brown to make it work.

I get that Ivey can be an interesting off the ball cutter/mover but his real value is when he has the balls in his hands. When you do that, it makes Fox less valuable. There is a potential of a train wreck when both Fox and Ivey are demanding the ball. The "your turn, my turn" offense is something I don't want to see again.

I also don't share the same evaluation of Ivey than most people though.

[OxAndFox]

Yeah, we may just be bad trade partners. I wouldn't be surprised if we were able to get the Portland pick at #7 plus other pieces for Grant without giving up our pick.

Had this one saved for when the trade happened. Sorry man, I just think Grant being on the expiring wasn't going to lead to a ton of value. Not a bad trade considering Detroit opened up a bunch of cap space, got a late 1st, and moved up in the 2nd!

Not that it's all of Detroits strategy, but this opens up taking Murray @ 5 and signing Ayton to an offer sheet.