KF10 wrote:I just still have questions on whether or not Ivey can possibly fit in the Fox & Sabonis-centric team. It's up to Coach Brown to make it work.
City of Trees wrote:KF10 wrote:I just still have questions on whether or not Ivey can possibly fit in the Fox & Sabonis-centric team. It's up to Coach Brown to make it work.
What sold me was Purdue vs. Forida State. Off ball movement, 3 point shooting, defense. It's all there for a team to unlock.
KF10 wrote:RipPizzaGuy wrote:I see the fit a little bit different tbh. Haliburton didn't have the usage but he was definitely less impactful without the ball. He didnt beat guys on cuts or off the dribble, and his main value was passing the ball in the pick and roll (rendering fox a spot up 3pt shooter). There's some value in ivey using his athleticism in the fast break with Fox, and cutting off of Sabonis.
Also I'm not sure the fox/hali pairing would have been as bad if we had sabonis. As it was Fox was consistently drawing doubles and playing off ball with absolutely zero interior presence. I can't remember how many times I begged hali to be more aggressive but it seemed he refused to shoot and constantly look for the pass..
Here's a little write up about ivey "Active cutter and mover without the ball. Purdue loved to use him in handoff and screening actions that would slingshot him toward the basket."
That plus Ivey being more of a scorer than a playmaker, I think he would help take pressure off fox. Fox can settle into the lead role, but ivey can also get his. Hes definitely not a natural playmaker. It's like young beal or donovan mitchell, there's room for them to play with a guy like fox.
In terms of ivey shooting. I think it's important to look at his age, and the massive leap he took last year. Also read he shot and made more deep 3s than any other player so he wasn't just hitting random corner college 3s. That plus his 75% ft shooting, he can easily become a 37-40% 3pt shooter in the league imo.
In short, I think he's much more of a natural fit with fox tbh. Hali is slow, hali needs to be surrounded like Ben Simmons. A big man who can roll, and a bunch of shooters on the floor. But I get how you'd see it as a worse fit because haliburton was definitely a great 3pt shooter.
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I just still have questions on whether or not Ivey can possibly fit in the Fox & Sabonis-centric team. It's up to Coach Brown to make it work.
I get that Ivey can be an interesting off the ball cutter/mover but his real value is when he has the balls in his hands. When you do that, it makes Fox less valuable. There is a potential of a train wreck when both Fox and Ivey are demanding the ball. The "your turn, my turn" offense is something I don't want to see again.
I also don't share the same evaluation of Ivey than most people though.
BoogieTime wrote:City of Trees wrote:KF10 wrote:I just still have questions on whether or not Ivey can possibly fit in the Fox & Sabonis-centric team. It's up to Coach Brown to make it work.
What sold me was Purdue vs. Forida State. Off ball movement, 3 point shooting, defense. It's all there for a team to unlock.
Many still view Ivey through the prism of being a PG. As a SG from the clips I've seen he sees the floor well for the position.
kalenclayton wrote:BoogieTime wrote:City of Trees wrote:
What sold me was Purdue vs. Forida State. Off ball movement, 3 point shooting, defense. It's all there for a team to unlock.
Many still view Ivey through the prism of being a PG. As a SG from the clips I've seen he sees the floor well for the position.
I see a Wade comp more than I see Morant one (other than shooting form). Ivey is totally a SG. I understand that people want 6’4” guys to be PGs, but they don’t have to be.
City of Trees wrote:What sold me was Purdue vs. Forida State. Off ball movement, 3 point shooting, defense. It's all there for a team to unlock.
RipPizzaGuy wrote:I get what you are saying, but at a certain point you have to take those guys. This was kinda the mentality that Vlade had with Bagley over Luka. Don't want to take the ball out of Fox's hands. Ideally we have Desmond Bane at the 2, Mikal Bridges at the 3, and healthy Isaac at the 4, and then we let Sabonis/Fox run the offense with 3 perfect fits lol. Unfortunately the perfect fits are hard to find, and you have to take some swings on talent.
But if you are lower on Ivey than most I could see how you would come to that conclusion. I think Murray is a very safe pick and I'm not married to either one.
I agree Ivey is a two, no doubt about it. He doesn't have those natural point guard skills where he's looking for his guys in their spots, he's more of a playmaking Bradley Beal type not Ja Morant.KF10 wrote:City of Trees wrote:What sold me was Purdue vs. Forida State. Off ball movement, 3 point shooting, defense. It's all there for a team to unlock.
Do you think the Kings can unlock those qualities in Ivey? I just don't see it. To me, Ivey is a 2. Not a 1. He will be paired up next to Fox. Fox is a scoring PG. Sabonis is a passing hub. Less opportunity for Ivey to shine in Sacramento. If you guys have Ivey in such high regard, eventually, the ball needs to be in his hands more. If you guys think Ivey tops out to a Ja Morant-level player or whatever, draft him. Fit be damn. Move Fox if he doesn't get with the program.
But like I said before, I don't see Ivey as a Morant-level player. I see Murray to be the more valuable player in a premium position.
Bey is the only answer lol. Fans tend to think how they want. Kings fans would have sworn Hali was definitely not getting traded under any circumstances. If Detroit sees ivey as a future superstar, Bey is an easy price to pay imo.City of Trees wrote:What would a Detroit trade down to 5 look like now?
Piston fans swear Bey is off the table but James Ham thinks it would take more than Bey.
I hadn't started diving into sochan until recently. Seems like he can pretty much defend any position. Could you envision a scenario where you play sochan with Collins?City of Trees wrote:I like San Antonio's rumor where McNair called asking Keldon Johnson+9 for 4. I really like Keldon, a lot. Draft Sochan at 9. Trade for Collins. Chef's kiss.
Mike Brown gets an opportunity to develop his own Draymond Green on defense while Collins is a win now piece. Sochan could definitely play small ball 5.RipPizzaGuy wrote:I hadn't started diving into sochan until recently. Seems like he can pretty much defend any position. Could you envision a scenario where you play sochan with Collins?City of Trees wrote:I like San Antonio's rumor where McNair called asking Keldon Johnson+9 for 4. I really like Keldon, a lot. Draft Sochan at 9. Trade for Collins. Chef's kiss.
The fit with keldon makes sense. Just not sure about Collins. That's a lot of money to tie up right ahead of your 1st round pick.
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City of Trees wrote:I like San Antonio's rumor where McNair called asking Keldon Johnson+9 for 4. I really like Keldon, a lot. Draft Sochan at 9. Trade for Collins. Chef's kiss.
jazanetti wrote:Seems like Kendall Brown falling to second round.
Would be happy to see him as our #37 pick.
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