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2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pic: Poll added

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If Bulls keep the pick, who should they select?

Jalen Williams
7
11%
Tari Eason
18
29%
Nikola Jovic
4
6%
Mark Williams
18
29%
Ochai Agbaji
1
2%
TyTy Washington
0
No votes
Ousmane Dieng
0
No votes
Malaki Branham
2
3%
EJ Liddell
8
13%
Jeremy Sochan
4
6%
 
Total votes: 62

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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pic: Poll added 

Post#1301 » by DuckIII » Thu Jun 23, 2022 3:44 am

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ChicagoSportsFan21 wrote:For those who have been scouting and following these players closely for the draft, what’s the difference between Liddell and Eason and why pick one over the other?


Eason is more athletic, longer wingspan, faster. Lot of highlight reel plays, likes to dribble and use his athleticism. More of an athletic defender, tons of steals. Soph.

Liddell is 240+ lbs so more of the traditional slower PF. Not tall at 6' 6" or 6' 7". Kinda looks like PJ Tucker. More of a paint protector, tons of blocks. Junior.

I think you would pick Eason if you were OK with developing an athletic, little bit younger guy w/ good athleticism and ability to play wing or small PF. Liddell is a defensive 3&D guy that you would hope to plug & play right away. He compared himself to PJ Tucker, Grant Williams, Paul Millsap. I think he understands he's going to be a roleplayer on the next level. Eason compared himself to Jerami Grant, Kawhi Leonard, Herb Jones. He considers himself to be a versatile 2-way player and not just a defender.


Another thing to add is that, though we don’t know what it is, Eason sent up a lot of red flags during interviews that has him mocked as falling whereas Liddell has the reputation of a worker and teammate. I’d still take Eason because at 18, with our roster, and our depleted picks, I’m advocating for a higher risk/reward pick than Liddell.
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pic: Poll added 

Post#1303 » by waffle » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:45 am

I think Ochai Agbaji falls to us somehow and we pounce
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Post#1304 » by Dresden » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:48 am

Stratmaster wrote:
kodo wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:
Seeing how Branham's biggest skill is his midrange game, is be utterly surprised if he couldn't learn how to have en effective career from the king of the midrange.

Also as Dresden pointed out, he's a long time vet and multiple All-star selection which means he's one of the best to play the game. Just learning to be a pro is a huge plus for a young player.


Yeah plenty to learn, because Derozan is top 3 in the league in the most effective scoring play in the game. Not the 3 pointer, not a post up. The shooting foul. A 35% 3P shooter generates 1.05 points per shot. A shooting foul on Derozan is worth 1.75 points, overwhelmingly more efficient. Derozan is top 3 in the league in FTs along with Embiid & Giannis.

Derozan is also the 2nd best isolation player in the league, behind Trae and ahead of Tatum, Embiid, and Joker. His best play isn't getting free for an open 15 footer like Joe Harris. Derozan's best game is attacking his defender's chest, getting his defender off balance and up in the air, and making contact for 2 easy ones.

If Branham becomes as good as Derozan with physical play and drawing fouls, as good as Derozan inside the arc, and maintains his 41% 3P shooting on more volume, he's probably the best guard in the league.


Yeah but you don't always get the foul call. Certainly, when you do it is the most efficient scoring play. But I agree, I overlooked that.

I have never watched Branham. All I know is reading a couple draft reports, his stats and game logs. He averaged less than 3 3-point attempts per game. He had 2 big games from 3. In the other 30 games he shot 36% from the college 3 point line and averaged about 2 per game. 6'5" guard not known for any passing skills. He took 89 total 3 point shots. His mid-range game is described as "old school pull-up". Not especially athletic, average at best.

The consensus seems to be that if that 3 point shooting translates he could end up a starter somewhere; but likely not for a while. If it doesn't translate he likely won't be an asset.

I am not convinced he's the guy for the Bulls. But again, the numbers and profiles don't tell the whole story. There could be something there I am missing.


Givony also has Branham going to the Bulls:

"If they stand pat, the upside offered by Branham could be attractive, as he has a strong case to be considered the most talented prospect on the board. Branham’s combination of size, frame, length, scoring instincts and shot-making prowess off the dribble (44% FG%) and with his feet set (43%) look seamlessly translatable to what the NBA is looking for at his position. He plays with a unique combination of aggressiveness and poise for a player who just turned 19, and his impressive strides as the season moved on, facilitating more for others and showing competitiveness defensively one-on-one, give him a high ceiling as a prospect.”

He and Ogbaji seem very similar, with Ogbaji being more athletic, and has proven himself at the NCAA level. OTH, Branham is 3 years younger, and showed a lot as a freshman. If both are there, I think I'd go with the younger guy.
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pic: Poll added 

Post#1305 » by kodo » Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:15 am

DuckIII wrote:
kodo wrote:
ChicagoSportsFan21 wrote:For those who have been scouting and following these players closely for the draft, what’s the difference between Liddell and Eason and why pick one over the other?


Eason is more athletic, longer wingspan, faster. Lot of highlight reel plays, likes to dribble and use his athleticism. More of an athletic defender, tons of steals. Soph.

Liddell is 240+ lbs so more of the traditional slower PF. Not tall at 6' 6" or 6' 7". Kinda looks like PJ Tucker. More of a paint protector, tons of blocks. Junior.

I think you would pick Eason if you were OK with developing an athletic, little bit younger guy w/ good athleticism and ability to play wing or small PF. Liddell is a defensive 3&D guy that you would hope to plug & play right away. He compared himself to PJ Tucker, Grant Williams, Paul Millsap. I think he understands he's going to be a roleplayer on the next level. Eason compared himself to Jerami Grant, Kawhi Leonard, Herb Jones. He considers himself to be a versatile 2-way player and not just a defender.


Another thing to add is that, though we don’t know what it is, Eason sent up a lot of red flags during interviews that has him mocked as falling whereas Liddell has the reputation of a worker and teammate. I’d still take Eason because at 18, with our roster, and our depleted picks, I’m advocating for a higher risk/reward pick than Liddell.


I'd still be surprised if Eason dropped below Liddell because Eason got a green room invite, Liddell was left off. Being left off a list of 24 rookies would make it surprising for Liddell to go around where Eason is mocked.
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Post#1306 » by Chi town » Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:19 am

I like Coby more than Branham
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Re: 2022 Draft Prospects Thread :Bulls get 18th pic: Poll added 

Post#1307 » by burlydee » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:23 am

Draft if they are on the board:

Duren
Eason
EJ Liddell
Malaki Branham
Mark Williams
David Roddy
Tyty Washington
Dalen Terry
Jalen Williams

Absolutely do not draft

Ochai Agabaji
Kessler
Jovic
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Post#1308 » by WindyCityBorn » Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:31 am

burlydee wrote:Draft if they are on the board:

Duren
Eason
EJ Liddell
Malaki Branham
Mark Williams
David Roddy
Tyty Washington
Dalen Terry
Jalen Williams

Absolutely do not draft

Ochai Agabaji
Kessler
Jovic


Why no Kessler? Excellent rim protector with great size.
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Post#1309 » by StunnerKO » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:27 am

Chicago-Bull-E wrote:I have a strange feeling they’re going to take Josh Minott.

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Post#1310 » by LateNight » Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:29 pm

StunnerKO wrote:
Chicago-Bull-E wrote:I have a strange feeling they’re going to take Josh Minott.



Underrated prospect. Reach at 18
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Post#1311 » by DuckIII » Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:40 pm

Dresden wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:
kodo wrote:
Yeah plenty to learn, because Derozan is top 3 in the league in the most effective scoring play in the game. Not the 3 pointer, not a post up. The shooting foul. A 35% 3P shooter generates 1.05 points per shot. A shooting foul on Derozan is worth 1.75 points, overwhelmingly more efficient. Derozan is top 3 in the league in FTs along with Embiid & Giannis.

Derozan is also the 2nd best isolation player in the league, behind Trae and ahead of Tatum, Embiid, and Joker. His best play isn't getting free for an open 15 footer like Joe Harris. Derozan's best game is attacking his defender's chest, getting his defender off balance and up in the air, and making contact for 2 easy ones.

If Branham becomes as good as Derozan with physical play and drawing fouls, as good as Derozan inside the arc, and maintains his 41% 3P shooting on more volume, he's probably the best guard in the league.


Yeah but you don't always get the foul call. Certainly, when you do it is the most efficient scoring play. But I agree, I overlooked that.

I have never watched Branham. All I know is reading a couple draft reports, his stats and game logs. He averaged less than 3 3-point attempts per game. He had 2 big games from 3. In the other 30 games he shot 36% from the college 3 point line and averaged about 2 per game. 6'5" guard not known for any passing skills. He took 89 total 3 point shots. His mid-range game is described as "old school pull-up". Not especially athletic, average at best.

The consensus seems to be that if that 3 point shooting translates he could end up a starter somewhere; but likely not for a while. If it doesn't translate he likely won't be an asset.

I am not convinced he's the guy for the Bulls. But again, the numbers and profiles don't tell the whole story. There could be something there I am missing.


Givony also has Branham going to the Bulls:

"If they stand pat, the upside offered by Branham could be attractive, as he has a strong case to be considered the most talented prospect on the board. Branham’s combination of size, frame, length, scoring instincts and shot-making prowess off the dribble (44% FG%) and with his feet set (43%) look seamlessly translatable to what the NBA is looking for at his position. He plays with a unique combination of aggressiveness and poise for a player who just turned 19, and his impressive strides as the season moved on, facilitating more for others and showing competitiveness defensively one-on-one, give him a high ceiling as a prospect.”

He and Ogbaji seem very similar, with Ogbaji being more athletic, and has proven himself at the NCAA level. OTH, Branham is 3 years younger, and showed a lot as a freshman. If both are there, I think I'd go with the younger guy.


I don’t expect Branham to fall. I expect him to go higher than projected. I bet he’s gone by 12. If we got him at 18 it would be a miracle. I’d love to package White and 18 to move up to get him, and I don’t really even want another guard in the draft (though that would change some of White were outgoing as part of the deal).
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Post#1312 » by Jcool0 » Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:44 pm

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Post#1313 » by Stratmaster » Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:14 pm

MrFortune3 wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:
Dresden wrote:
There are tons of things a seasoned vet like DDR can teach a young player. Too numerous to name.


Actually true. Just not so much basketball skill related. Work ethic...maybe. What it is like to be in the NBA. Preparing for an 82 game season. Absolutely.


I'm sorry, did you really just attempt to state that a 3 time all NBA star player cannot teach a younger player basketball skill related things?
Don't apologize.

DDR is a dinosaur. Maybe Kareem can come back and teach them all the sky hook.

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Post#1314 » by CROBulls » Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:19 pm

Because of rumours for so long about Bulls not being excited for pick I really didnt follow up much draft prospects. I expect trade at draft night to happen if there is deal to be made. Running back same team with 18th pick on roster is not exciting. Many people will get turned off for next year when they realize they need to watch Vuc for another year missing bunnies and not covering on defense.
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Post#1315 » by _txchilibowl_ » Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:20 pm

Stratmaster wrote:
MrFortune3 wrote:
Stratmaster wrote:
Actually true. Just not so much basketball skill related. Work ethic...maybe. What it is like to be in the NBA. Preparing for an 82 game season. Absolutely.


I'm sorry, did you really just attempt to state that a 3 time all NBA star player cannot teach a younger player basketball skill related things?
Don't apologize.

DDR is a dinosaur. Maybe Kareem can come back and teach them all the sky hook.

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What? Kareem's skyhook would still be unstoppable today. Way to double down....
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Post#1316 » by CoreyVillains » Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:26 pm

DuckIII wrote:NBAtv mock draft show just had us taking Jake LaRavia from Wake Forest.

Said they like his “floor as a role player.” :nonono:


Though I really like Jake's game, I have a very trustworthy source that has repeatedly told me the Bulls have not been in on LaRavia.
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Post#1317 » by BigUps » Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:58 pm

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Its the 18th pick, who is ever in love with the options on the table at 18? Silly commentary here.
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Post#1318 » by BigUps » Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:00 pm

Whoever it is tonight, just assure me Bulls fans that despite your opinion of the player before we draft them that we'll all get behind them once they join our club. They need our support to reach their potential!
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Post#1319 » by Chi town » Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:14 pm

Nba draft.net is always the most accurate mock day of the draft. They have outlandish picks before for clicks.

Look at the player movement in latest shakeup.

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/
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Post#1320 » by Jvaughn » Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:27 pm

Chi town wrote:Nba draft.net is always the most accurate mock day of the draft. They have outlandish picks before for clicks.

Look at the player movement in latest shakeup.

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/


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