2021-2022 College Basketball / NBA Draft

[Kobblehead]

The Kings do seem scared to death of teenagers, post-Bagley. They're taking the wrong lessons from that blown pick, though. Instead of being scared of youth, just avoid drafting players with crappy positional statistic indicators. Like don't take bigman with bad defense (Bagley) or guards with no skill (Mitchell). Murray is somewhere in between. A tweener that is mediocre on both ends of the court.

[Negrodamus]

The Kings demolished their team skill level by moving Haliburton and Hield for Sabonis. All the consensus guys at pick #4 are deficient from a skill perspective so I don't see them rectifying that with this pick.

They HAVE TO go off board or roll the dice with someone like Shaedon Sharpe. If they stay the course and just select a consensus guy, they're still going nowhere as a franchise.

I think they are so shell shocked at this point and scared schiitless of blowing this pick they will just take the safest guy (Murray) if they can't move the pick, which they seem to be desperately trying to do.

They should honestly do something like trade their 4th for Mo Bamba, Cole Anthony, and a top 5 protected future first.

Both of those guys add pieces they are missing (stretch defensive big, sparkplug scorer) and they don't need to blow it on a guy like Keegan Murray.

Fox
Davis
Barnes
Sabonis
Bamba

Anthony
DiVincenzo
Mitchell
Holmes
Lyles

Pretty talented and balanced team. Fox would need to rise to the occasion and start putting up at least a 25 and 10 line.

[mjkvol]

The Kings demolished their team skill level by moving Haliburton and Hield for Sabonis. All the consensus guys at pick #4 are deficient from a skill perspective so I don't see them rectifying that with this pick.

They HAVE TO go off board or roll the dice with someone like Shaedon Sharpe. If they stay the course and just select a consensus guy, they're still going nowhere as a franchise.

I think they are so shell shocked at this point and scared schiitless of blowing this pick they will just take the safest guy (Murray) if they can't move the pick, which they seem to be desperately trying to do.

They should honestly do something like trade their 4th for Mo Bamba, Cole Anthony, and a top 5 protected future first.

Both of those guys add pieces they are missing (stretch defensive big, sparkplug scorer) and they don't need to blow it on a guy like Keegan Murray.

Fox
Davis
Barnes
Sabonis
Bamba

Anthony
DiVincenzo
Mitchell
Holmes
Lyles

Pretty talented and balanced team. Fox would need to rise to the occasion and start putting up at least a 25 and 10 line.

That would be a lot for Orlando to give up, but Anthony is expendable there and Bamba is due to be paid. And Ivey with Wagner, Suggs, Fultz, Okeke, and Ross would be a pretty scary group to face. You're right, that Kings group would be a playoff team if Fox stepped up.

[Negrodamus]

I think they are so shell shocked at this point and scared schiitless of blowing this pick they will just take the safest guy (Murray) if they can't move the pick, which they seem to be desperately trying to do.

They should honestly do something like trade their 4th for Mo Bamba, Cole Anthony, and a top 5 protected future first.

Both of those guys add pieces they are missing (stretch defensive big, sparkplug scorer) and they don't need to blow it on a guy like Keegan Murray.

Fox
Davis
Barnes
Sabonis
Bamba

Anthony
DiVincenzo
Mitchell
Holmes
Lyles

Pretty talented and balanced team. Fox would need to rise to the occasion and start putting up at least a 25 and 10 line.

That would be a lot for Orlando to give up, but Anthony is expendable there and Bamba is due to be paid. And Ivey with Wagner, Suggs, Fultz, Okeke, and Ross would be a pretty scary group to face. You're right, that Kings group would be a playoff team if Fox stepped up.

Yea, Magic should take every opportunity to consolidate OK talent with top flight talent. Ivey, Suggs, Jabari Smith and Wagner kinda let them keep pace with the Thunder for the impending talent explosion coming out of those two programs.

[mjkvol]

They should honestly do something like trade their 4th for Mo Bamba, Cole Anthony, and a top 5 protected future first.

Both of those guys add pieces they are missing (stretch defensive big, sparkplug scorer) and they don't need to blow it on a guy like Keegan Murray.

Fox
Davis
Barnes
Sabonis
Bamba

Anthony
DiVincenzo
Mitchell
Holmes
Lyles

Pretty talented and balanced team. Fox would need to rise to the occasion and start putting up at least a 25 and 10 line.

That would be a lot for Orlando to give up, but Anthony is expendable there and Bamba is due to be paid. And Ivey with Wagner, Suggs, Fultz, Okeke, and Ross would be a pretty scary group to face. You're right, that Kings group would be a playoff team if Fox stepped up.

Yea, Magic should take every opportunity to consolidate OK talent with top flight talent. Ivey, Suggs, Jabari Smith and Wagner kinda let them keep pace with the Thunder for the impending talent explosion coming out of those two programs.

Yeah, I wasn't even thinking of the top pick. Imagine them getting Smith and Ivey out of this draft? Ridiculous.

[Kobblehead]

Tonight is the night Daryl changes this franchise's future by sneaking up and snatching Malaki Branham.

[76ciology]

Chet should be number 1.

He’s not stiff in creating on offense unlike Jabari. He has the PF starterpack of drive right and spin left when denied move that guys like Siakam or Wiggins do often. Then he also have this one legged fadeaway that is promising because of his size and touch.

Defensively, he’s gonna be an elite PF similar to Anthony Davis (same blk%), that you can even pair him with another rim protector C. PF who is mobile, can block shots and shoot 3s are valuable in today’s league that requires secondary rim protector.

And lastly, number wise, he’s a once in a decade material for number 1 pick. Even Pelton’s WARP would back this up.

[Kobblehead]

Chet is a great shotblocker, but he's average at best in space. He's slow and gawky. Compare his steal percentage to Anthony Davis and you'll see the canyon sized discrepancy between what Davis was defensively compared to Chet. He's more comparable to former Zag Zach Collins, defensively, IMO.

[76ciology]

I think Kings draft Sharpe. Keegan is likely going to the Pistons then Pacers drafts Ivey.

[Kobblehead]

I'm fascinated to see what Sharpe actually is at the NBA level.

[76ciology]

Chet is a great shotblocker, but he's average at best in space. He's slow and gawky. Compare his steal percentage to Anthony Davis and you'll see the canyon sized discrepancy between what Davis was defensively compared to Chet. He's more comparable to former Zag Zach Collins, defensively, IMO.

Thats still okay for PF, because he’ll play with another big who he and that big would clean each other and their teammates’ mess.

I’d like to see Chet land with the Magic..

Cole Anthony
Wagner
Isaac
Chet
Wendell or Bamba

I dont know if it will work. But it sure looks fun and interesting

[Kobblehead]

I think they'd trade Cole and clear the decks for Jalen Suggs to be their Holiday-ish defensive PG. Suggs and Holmgren's built-in chemistry is one of the main reasons they would pass on Jabari.

[76ciology]

I'm fascinated to see what Sharpe actually is at the NBA level.

Rockets is in a unique position where they can roll the dice on someone like Sharpe. Rockets should take him. But consensus seems like Paolo is their guy, if im not mistaken.

More shooter and less slasher version of donovan mitchell i think. A lot of pull up jumpers off the 2 man game? Or maybe im just overrating his shooting

[76ciology]

I think they'd trade Cole and clear the decks for Jalen Suggs to be their Holiday-ish defensive PG. Suggs and Holmgren's built-in chemistry is one of the main reasons they would pass on Jabari.

I actually think cole would be perfect for their giant team, while there’s not much need for suggs. You dont need that much defense at guards when you have that much size at 3-4-5.

They’d then need stars who can gravitate the defense to the perimeter that will make it tough for the defense to defend lobs to their giants.

I could be wrong hahaha

Anyway i have a feeling i’d watch a lot of magic games in the future. They have 3 of my guys. Fultz, wagner and chet. My brother is actually a magic fan and i gave him my two Fultz jerseys lol. Told him about wagner last year. Then im selling him chet. He likes Jabari though but i think he’s confused right now hahahah

[76ciology]

I think Kings draft Sharpe. Keegan is likely going to the Pistons then Pacers drafts Ivey.

Cade and Keegan would be nice. Possibly one top 5 and a top 10 scorers down the road.

Cade would create of PnR. Then if offense gets stalled, they then drop it to keegan for 1v1.

[Black Mage]

Chet is going to end up in the infirmary. He weighs less than Maxey. We already lament wings like Joe who don't have the body weight/build to take the physicality. Well.... Chet plays Center and is a paperweight. He's going to get his lunch taken from him almost every night. Don't think physicality works against him? Here's what Musselman (former NBA coach) decided was the best approach to gold ole Zaga:

"Eric Musselman, who was a WCC player at San Diego once upon a time, knew Gonzaga had ways to be exploited. He knew the WCC cloth from which this team is cut did provide an opportunity for a bit of exposition. Arkansas' coach sensed Gonzaga's muscle memory for SEC-style physicality might be a tad sluggish.

"We wanted them to feel bodies," Musselman said. "I played in that league. I know what some of the teams are like in that league, and the physicality and the speed that we can play with is just different, and, obviously, they played a really tough schedule early in the season, but it's been a long time in conference play since they faced a team like us."

"Getting Chet in foul trouble, that was one of the big things for us," Hogs center Jaylin Williams said. "We wanted to keep driving at him. We wanted (Razorbacks senior) JD (Notae) to play aggressive. We wanted our guards to keep driving at him. Getting him in foul trouble was a really big plan for us in that game."
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/another-gonzaga-season-ends-without-a-title-and-the-bulldogs-window-to-win-an-ncaa-tournament-may-have-closed/

[Iverson Armband]

Chet is going to end up in the infirmary. He weighs less than Maxey. We already lament wings like Joe who don't have the body weight/build to take the physicality. Well.... Chet plays Center and is a paperweight. He's going to get his lunch taken from him almost every night. Don't think physicality works against him? Here's what Musselman (former NBA coach) decided was the best approach to gold ole Zaga:

"Eric Musselman, who was a WCC player at San Diego once upon a time, knew Gonzaga had ways to be exploited. He knew the WCC cloth from which this team is cut did provide an opportunity for a bit of exposition. Arkansas' coach sensed Gonzaga's muscle memory for SEC-style physicality might be a tad sluggish.

"We wanted them to feel bodies," Musselman said. "I played in that league. I know what some of the teams are like in that league, and the physicality and the speed that we can play with is just different, and, obviously, they played a really tough schedule early in the season, but it's been a long time in conference play since they faced a team like us."

"Getting Chet in foul trouble, that was one of the big things for us," Hogs center Jaylin Williams said. "We wanted to keep driving at him. We wanted (Razorbacks senior) JD (Notae) to play aggressive. We wanted our guards to keep driving at him. Getting him in foul trouble was a really big plan for us in that game."
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/another-gonzaga-season-ends-without-a-title-and-the-bulldogs-window-to-win-an-ncaa-tournament-may-have-closed/

All that weight stuff is overrated. This isn’t wrestling and very few players bang down low in the NBA now. People said the same crap about KD and Ingram. If you can ball you can ball.

[Black Mage]

Chet is going to end up in the infirmary. He weighs less than Maxey. We already lament wings like Joe who don't have the body weight/build to take the physicality. Well.... Chet plays Center and is a paperweight. He's going to get his lunch taken from him almost every night. Don't think physicality works against him? Here's what Musselman (former NBA coach) decided was the best approach to gold ole Zaga:

"Eric Musselman, who was a WCC player at San Diego once upon a time, knew Gonzaga had ways to be exploited. He knew the WCC cloth from which this team is cut did provide an opportunity for a bit of exposition. Arkansas' coach sensed Gonzaga's muscle memory for SEC-style physicality might be a tad sluggish.

"We wanted them to feel bodies," Musselman said. "I played in that league. I know what some of the teams are like in that league, and the physicality and the speed that we can play with is just different, and, obviously, they played a really tough schedule early in the season, but it's been a long time in conference play since they faced a team like us."

"Getting Chet in foul trouble, that was one of the big things for us," Hogs center Jaylin Williams said. "We wanted to keep driving at him. We wanted (Razorbacks senior) JD (Notae) to play aggressive. We wanted our guards to keep driving at him. Getting him in foul trouble was a really big plan for us in that game."
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/another-gonzaga-season-ends-without-a-title-and-the-bulldogs-window-to-win-an-ncaa-tournament-may-have-closed/

All that weight stuff is overrated. This isn’t wrestling and very few players bang down low in the NBA now. People said the same crap about KD and Ingram. If you can ball you can ball.

Both are wings. He's gonna try being a center.

[Negrodamus]

Alright, final final power ranking of guys around where we're selecting:

These guys hit most/if not all of the marks I'm looking for in a prospect:

1) Malaki Branham
2) Tari Eason
3) Wendell Moore
4) Ryan Rollins

I wrestle with Ryan Rollins on here because he's not at the 4+ OBPM, but he's pretty darn close. Wendell was also close because of his lack of volume scoring, but that is circumstantial.

5) Jalen Williams
6) TyTy Washington
7) Jaden Hardy
8) Nikola Jovic

This grouping is the hardest to rank. Jovic has enticing tools but tough stats this past year and needs time to fill out his body. Hardy is of similar situation; great talent, but bad stats and likely needs some work on his game. TyTy is incredibly boring as a prospect but he hits almost every number that should put him among the top 4 above. Unfortunately his game is scoring and he didn't do enough in terms of volume scoring to put him up there. Jalen Williams needed to blow the doors off with advanced stats, particularly at Santa Clara, and he fell well short. He's at the top here only because of his length/height and ability to shoot. I have issues with his defensive capabilities.

Role player territory, but still intriguing:

9) Andrew Nembhard
10) Jake LaRavia
11) Justin Lewis
12) Tevin Brown
13) Keon Ellis

From there, there are longshot guys that are interesting: JD Davison, Bryce McGowans, Max Christie... Guys similar to BJ Boston, Greg Brown, Terrence Clarke (RIP) last year. Underperformed but still have obvious talent. I'm not against taking them, but it's long term project where I'm not sure the juice is worth the squeeze.

I'm sure I'm missing some guys, but this is after a quick look at Tankathon. Also, I don't know enough about most Int'l guys, like the Italian guys, to have an opinion.

[Jailblazers7]

There were some very bad foul calls against Chet in that Arkansas game. Not exactly a novel strategy to try getting bad college refs to call fouls against a superior talent. Chet also held up pretty well against Jalen Duren trying to punk him.

I think he’ll be fine in the NBA. Obviously needs to fill out and get stronger but he’s smart, long as hell, and skilled. Give him 3-4 years for his body to mature and he’ll be ready to absorb the type of physicality that’s common in the playoffs.