Shame his shot is so far out in front of his face, really keeps him from shooting over as many guys as you would think a guy that big can
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reanimator wrote:If he does not improve from 3, what is a viable path to constructing a contending roster with him on it?
If he's amazing at both getting to and finishing at the rim, that's still the most valuable way to create shots in basketball, and the best way to create 3's for others.
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NO-KG-AI wrote:reanimator wrote:If he does not improve from 3, what is a viable path to constructing a contending roster with him on it?
If he's amazing at both getting to and finishing at the rim, that's still the most valuable way to create shots in basketball, and the best way to create 3's for others.
this is true, if he starts warranting doubles around the rim he has the skills to take advantage and find open shooters for sure. offensively i think there is little doubt he'll be a stud. biggest ? is still the defensive end, but with the right personnel and a smart coach you can always gameplan around that.
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I mean, he'll have to actually become a great finisher at the rim tho because he currently isn't that.
I am far less concerned about the defense than others, my question with Paolo is "will the shots go in more at all three levels"
Has a ton of skill and ability to get to shots, they need to go in tho
I am far less concerned about the defense than others, my question with Paolo is "will the shots go in more at all three levels"
Has a ton of skill and ability to get to shots, they need to go in tho
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K_chile22 wrote:I mean, he'll have to actually become a great finisher at the rim tho because he currently isn't that.
I am far less concerned about the defense than others, my question with Paolo is "will the shots go in more at all three levels"
thats why i said if he warrants double teams inside, that'll unlock his inside-out game. he'll obviously have to get better around the rim but I think he'll get there.
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He's gonna be fine defensively. All it takes is good coaching to make him put forth effort on that end. Look at what coaching did for Wiggins. He was known as a trash defender on the Wolves, then he got a coach who figured out how to utilize him on that end and get him to care about locking guys down, and now he's probably the best perimeter defender in the league.
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Not a fan of Randle comp.
Haven't watched Randle on the Knicks but did watch him on the Lakers. The issue I have with Randle was how aimless he was on offense. Felt erratic. Lack of composure and solid base in his skillset. Good raw talent but felt like anything could happen at any time. And it felt like there was nothing in his game that he could plant his flag around. In addition to Randle being 6'8 which I felt like was an awkward height for his skillset. Randle also plays a lot stronger than Banchero does.
They generally feel like different players to me. Banchero has a much clearer consistent identity and plays at a composed pace. Banchero is a "go in his bag" type of player.
I've heard this comp a few times and I don't see it at all. I assume it's just based on big bodied guys who pass and shoot okay.
Haven't watched Randle on the Knicks but did watch him on the Lakers. The issue I have with Randle was how aimless he was on offense. Felt erratic. Lack of composure and solid base in his skillset. Good raw talent but felt like anything could happen at any time. And it felt like there was nothing in his game that he could plant his flag around. In addition to Randle being 6'8 which I felt like was an awkward height for his skillset. Randle also plays a lot stronger than Banchero does.
They generally feel like different players to me. Banchero has a much clearer consistent identity and plays at a composed pace. Banchero is a "go in his bag" type of player.
I've heard this comp a few times and I don't see it at all. I assume it's just based on big bodied guys who pass and shoot okay.
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JJ Reddick breaking down Banchero's game. Calls him a 4 only, and says that is the least valuable position in the NBA and why. 9:19 minute mark.
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SelfishPlayer wrote:JJ Reddick breaking down Banchero's game. Calls him a 4 only, and says that is the least valuable position in the NBA and why. 9:19 minute mark.
He's right, for Banchero to be really special he either needs to become on offensive force at the 4 or he needs to be able to play the 4 and 5 spot in the playoffs.
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SelfishPlayer wrote:JJ Reddick breaking down Banchero's game. Calls him a 4 only, and says that is the least valuable position in the NBA and why. 9:19 minute mark.
JJ has become such an annoying blowhard with awful takes
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zimpy27 wrote:SelfishPlayer wrote:JJ Reddick breaking down Banchero's game. Calls him a 4 only, and says that is the least valuable position in the NBA and why. 9:19 minute mark.
He's right, for Banchero to be really special he either needs to become on offensive force at the 4 or he needs to be able to play the 4 and 5 spot in the playoffs.
I’m not sure I agree with JJ’s point about Banchero’s fit issues. The kind of center you pair with him is the easiest to find in the NBA (rim roller, rim protector). You can’t put him next to a Vucevic, but you don’t want to build with the Vuce types anyway.
His NBA role seems pretty clear to me.
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SelfishPlayer wrote:JJ Reddick breaking down Banchero's game. Calls him a 4 only, and says that is the least valuable position in the NBA and why. 9:19 minute mark.
i like redick, but banchero can play 5 in the nba. silly to think that at about 6'10" 260 he can't defend nba 5s.
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Ben Simmons is 6'10-11" 240-250lbs over his NBA career and has always looked terrible at center after playing power forward in college. I can see why Banchero could project poorly to the center position. He's absolutely not a rim protector and perhaps he's unwilling to draw charges while defending the basket. That makes for one leaky defense when he's on the court with four guards. This makes you HAVE to play Banchero with a center. Does the center bring enough to the table offensively? NBA teams are now playing shooting guards at the power forward position.
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SelfishPlayer wrote:Ben Simmons is 6'10-11" 240-250lbs over his NBA career and has always looked terrible at center after playing power forward in college. I can see why Banchero could project poorly to the center position. He's absolutely not a rim protector and perhaps he's unwilling to draw charges while defending the basket. That makes for one leaky defense when he's on the court with four guards. This makes you HAVE to play Banchero with a center. Does the center bring enough to the table offensively? NBA teams are now playing shooting guards at the power forward position.
Does he pair well with Jonathan Isaac, Evan Mobley, and other rim-protecting PF types?
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toooskies wrote:SelfishPlayer wrote:Ben Simmons is 6'10-11" 240-250lbs over his NBA career and has always looked terrible at center after playing power forward in college. I can see why Banchero could project poorly to the center position. He's absolutely not a rim protector and perhaps he's unwilling to draw charges while defending the basket. That makes for one leaky defense when he's on the court with four guards. This makes you HAVE to play Banchero with a center. Does the center bring enough to the table offensively? NBA teams are now playing shooting guards at the power forward position.
Does he pair well with Jonathan Isaac, Evan Mobley, and other rim-protecting PF types?
His defense on the perimiter is vastly overstaded as an issue. Absolutly fine primarily guarding fours, people talk about him like he's ryan anderson. idk what JJ is talking about, he's not going to function as a typical four on offense in the nba. He fits well next to defensive, athletic play finishing bigs like his college teammate mark williams
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toooskies wrote:SelfishPlayer wrote:Ben Simmons is 6'10-11" 240-250lbs over his NBA career and has always looked terrible at center after playing power forward in college. I can see why Banchero could project poorly to the center position. He's absolutely not a rim protector and perhaps he's unwilling to draw charges while defending the basket. That makes for one leaky defense when he's on the court with four guards. This makes you HAVE to play Banchero with a center. Does the center bring enough to the table offensively? NBA teams are now playing shooting guards at the power forward position.
Does he pair well with Jonathan Isaac, Evan Mobley, and other rim-protecting PF types?
I think you are pointing out the problem, you are already starting off on the wrong foot trying to cover a player's butt with the presence of another player. This is why you want an Evan Mobley over Banchero in today's NBA. JJ did point something out, Banchero never was surrounded by NBA style offensive players while at Duke. Banchero is agile, strong, crafty, and really talented at breaking defenders down off the dribble. He may be such a good offensive player that all of this matters much less. Banchero offensively could be like Blake Griffin in Detroit. How well has Blake done at the center position over his career? Banchero is built like Ben Simmons and Blake Griffin. Tall, short arms, and plenty of muscle not meant for banging defensively around the hoop. Perhaps Banchero will be defensively tougher around the rim?
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SelfishPlayer wrote:toooskies wrote:SelfishPlayer wrote:Ben Simmons is 6'10-11" 240-250lbs over his NBA career and has always looked terrible at center after playing power forward in college. I can see why Banchero could project poorly to the center position. He's absolutely not a rim protector and perhaps he's unwilling to draw charges while defending the basket. That makes for one leaky defense when he's on the court with four guards. This makes you HAVE to play Banchero with a center. Does the center bring enough to the table offensively? NBA teams are now playing shooting guards at the power forward position.
Does he pair well with Jonathan Isaac, Evan Mobley, and other rim-protecting PF types?
I think you are pointing out the problem, you are already starting off on the wrong foot trying to cover a player's butt with the presence of another player. This is why you want an Evan Mobley over Banchero in today's NBA. JJ did point something out, Banchero never was surrounded by NBA style offensive players while at Duke. Banchero is agile, strong, crafty, and really talented at breaking defenders down off the dribble. He may be such a good offensive player that all of this matters much less. Banchero offensively could be like Blake Griffin in Detroit. How well has Blake done at the center position over his career? Banchero is built like Ben Simmons and Blake Griffin. Tall, short arms, and plenty of muscle not meant for banging defensively around the hoop. Perhaps Banchero will be defensively tougher around the rim?
It isn't like Chet has what it takes to be your only big on the court.
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toooskies wrote:SelfishPlayer wrote:toooskies wrote:Does he pair well with Jonathan Isaac, Evan Mobley, and other rim-protecting PF types?
I think you are pointing out the problem, you are already starting off on the wrong foot trying to cover a player's butt with the presence of another player. This is why you want an Evan Mobley over Banchero in today's NBA. JJ did point something out, Banchero never was surrounded by NBA style offensive players while at Duke. Banchero is agile, strong, crafty, and really talented at breaking defenders down off the dribble. He may be such a good offensive player that all of this matters much less. Banchero offensively could be like Blake Griffin in Detroit. How well has Blake done at the center position over his career? Banchero is built like Ben Simmons and Blake Griffin. Tall, short arms, and plenty of muscle not meant for banging defensively around the hoop. Perhaps Banchero will be defensively tougher around the rim?
It isn't like Chet has what it takes to be your only big on the court.
If that's what you believe, would you draft Chet top 2?
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SelfishPlayer wrote:toooskies wrote:SelfishPlayer wrote:
I think you are pointing out the problem, you are already starting off on the wrong foot trying to cover a player's butt with the presence of another player. This is why you want an Evan Mobley over Banchero in today's NBA. JJ did point something out, Banchero never was surrounded by NBA style offensive players while at Duke. Banchero is agile, strong, crafty, and really talented at breaking defenders down off the dribble. He may be such a good offensive player that all of this matters much less. Banchero offensively could be like Blake Griffin in Detroit. How well has Blake done at the center position over his career? Banchero is built like Ben Simmons and Blake Griffin. Tall, short arms, and plenty of muscle not meant for banging defensively around the hoop. Perhaps Banchero will be defensively tougher around the rim?
It isn't like Chet has what it takes to be your only big on the court.
If that's what you believe, would you draft Chet top 2?
Yes, my point is that every player has strengths and weaknesses and you have to weigh the positives and negatives.
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kdthunderup wrote:To me Chet and Jabari both might lack some of the shot creation that Paolo has but will fit more seamlessly into an NBA roster and less likely be played off the floor in the playoffs. Both have great defensive attributes for their position and have better jump shots.
Chet is going to be thrown out of the building effortless by any center or powerforward in the league, if he can't gain at least some muscles... hard to block shots when you're outbalanced by the huge strength gap
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