Report: Sixers want to do a 3 team deal with Blazers where Thybulle ends up in PDX

DusterBuster · Post #1 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:07 pm

JasonStern · Post #2 » by **JasonStern** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:12 pm

Matisse Thybulle would be a great pick-up if the asking price is reasonable.

Not sure what the asking price would be, but if it's #7+Covington TPE for #17+Thybulle, that seems a bit rich.

Better fit than trading down for #12+Dort.

BlazersBroncos · Post #3 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:20 pm

JasonStern wrote:Matisse Thybulle would be a great pick-up if the asking price is reasonable.

Not sure what the asking price would be, but if it's #7+Covington TPE for #17+Thybulle, that seems a bit rich.

Better fit than trading down for #12+Dort.

I think Thybulle will have a good deal less value if moved than getting up to 7 from 17.

I would for sure want 26 from HOU as well. I could live with 7 and TPE for Thybulle, 17 and 26.

Matisse is so bad on offense that IMO he tops out as a bit player in a 25mpg type role, its 4-5 when your on offense when he is out there. I think that negates his tremendous defense to an extent.

DusterBuster · Post #4 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:25 pm

JasonStern wrote:Matisse Thybulle would be a great pick-up if the asking price is reasonable.

Not sure what the asking price would be, but if it's #7+Covington TPE for #17+Thybulle, that seems a bit rich.

Better fit than trading down for #12+Dort.

Yeah, if the blazers HAVE to trade #7 for one of those two deals, I'd take 17 and Thybulle over #12 and Dort in a heartbeat.

Blazinaway · Post #5 » by **Blazinaway** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:27 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:
JasonStern wrote:Matisse Thybulle would be a great pick-up if the asking price is reasonable.

Not sure what the asking price would be, but if it's #7+Covington TPE for #17+Thybulle, that seems a bit rich.

Better fit than trading down for #12+Dort.

I think Thybulle will have a good deal less value if moved than getting up to 7 from 17.

No kidding probably just Thybulle for the TPE so they get cap savings

BlazersBroncos · Post #6 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:33 pm

I can see TPE, 46 and 2 future SRP or something. Again, you cant play a guy like him late in the game with his offensive ineptitude, unless your subbing him in and out for defense / offense. I like him, but he is a bit player, basically a specialist.

Then again, maybe a change of scenery gets him back to his rookie 3PT shooting numbers - not sure why it would though lol

JasonStern · Post #7 » by **JasonStern** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:37 pm

I think that Thybulle has more value than people realize. Guy is a 2nd team all NBA defense player. The 4-on-5 on offense is true. But nobody seems to mind offensive minded players that cause 4-on-5 on defense.

That said, the claim that Portland was trying to deal with Philadelphia directly and the 76ers wanted to include Houston is a bit concerning. The Blazers would either have to offer a younger player like Naz/Keon, or use the #7 at which point they would have to move down to #23. I'd be fine trading Keon as I am not as high on him as other Blazer fans are. But moving down that far or including Naz or even GB3 (who I am high on) seems like either an overpay or a lateral move.

Of course, I was and remain a huge RHJ fan. No idea why we don't just sign him for a vet minimum.

Wickzki · Post #8 » by **Wickzki** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:38 pm

Let the Aussie invasion begin

BlazersBroncos · Post #9 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:42 pm

JasonStern wrote:Of course, I was and remain a huge RHJ fan. No idea why we don't just sign him for a vet minimum.

Never will understand why he isnt a rostered player somewhere - knows his role, plays hard, good defense. Would love to bring him back as a 3rd stringer.

Winslow is pretty similar (Well, much better passing) and he makes 4M per while RHJ is home fishing, just odd.

Also think we move Greg before Keon. I think Johnson was the prize of the LAC trade and that Chauncey and Cronin specifically wanted him - he was a near concensus top-10 talent going into the draft FWIW. GB is from the NO tenure, think he will be seen as more expendable (As he should be, I see him as a dime a dozen bouncy tall guy who can easily be replaced by someone like Jabari Walker at 46, maybe even 57)

JRoy · Post #10 » by **JRoy** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:47 pm

I do not deny that I have greatly desired this.

JasonStern · Post #11 » by **JasonStern** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:49 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:
JasonStern wrote:Of course, I was and remain a huge RHJ fan. No idea why we don't just sign him for a vet minimum.

Never will understand why he isnt a rostered player somewhere - knows his role, plays hard, good defense. Would love to bring him back as a 3rd stringer.

Yes! Late in the 4th in a close game, you put him in for a stop, then call a timeout and sub him. Instead, the Blazers would run out a trio of Dame/CJ/Powell and act astonished when nobody could lock down a guard or wing.

BlazersBroncos wrote:Also think we move Greg before Keon. I think Johnson was the prize of the LAC trade and that Chauncey and Cronin specifically wanted him - he was a near concensus top-10 talent going into the draft FWIW. GB is from the NO tenure, think he will be seen as more expendable (As he should be, I see him as a dime a dozen bouncy tall guy who can easily be replaced by someone like Jabari Walker at 46, maybe even 57)

Very likely true, but I'm a GB3 fan and would rather move Keon - especially given the lack of forward depth on the team. The only reason GB3 wasn't taken earlier last year was because of how deep the 2021 draft class was - although you could make the same case for Keon.

Post #12 » by **kdawg32086** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:53 pm

Is it possible to end up with both OG and Thybulle?

JasonStern · Post #13 » by **JasonStern** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:03 am

kdawg32086 wrote:Is it possible to end up with both OG and Thybulle?

Toronto would have to be really high on someone at #7 and Portland would likely have to route 1 or 2 prospects to Houston (via Philly). Don't see it happening. If anything, the Blazers interested in Thybulle leak is to put pressure on the team for whoever the Blazers do make a move for.

soobias · Post #14 » by **soobias** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:03 am

is it possible that Thybulle's #'S were low was the lack of a good pg since simmons didnt play and harden was out for his own #'s ?

either way i think billups is going to have this team up and playing some good defense this year.

Case2012 · Post #15 » by **Case2012** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:06 am

Losing my mind reading all these comments from posters thinking Thybulle is worth more than a second and tpe. The 7th pick??? Wtf are you guys drinking today???

Brandon-Clyde · Post #16 » by **Brandon-Clyde** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:20 am

Don't forget that Thybulle is in the last year of his rookie contract so he will need to be re-signed and will almost certainly be expecting a raise.

JasonStern · Post #17 » by **JasonStern** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:32 am

Case2012 wrote:Losing my mind reading all these comments from posters thinking Thybulle is worth more than a second and tpe. The 7th pick??? Wtf are you guys drinking today???

Not a single poster has said that Thybulle was worth #7. The question is whether he is worth moving down from #7 and using the Covington TPE for.

Brandon-Clyde wrote:Don't forget that Thybulle is in the last year of his rookie contract so he will need to be re-signed and will almost certainly be expecting a raise.

If the massive turnover of our roster every year is any indication, this is a non-issue. Accumulate as much talent as you can, then retain the talent worth retaining.

Norm2953 · Post #18 » by **Norm2953** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:37 am

Another expiring contract on a guy who can't shoot.

One wonder what Emblid thought when Thybulle and Simmons were on the court with him.

Brandon-Clyde · Post #19 » by **Brandon-Clyde** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:41 am

JasonStern wrote:
Case2012 wrote:Losing my mind reading all these comments from posters thinking Thybulle is worth more than a second and tpe. The 7th pick??? Wtf are you guys drinking today???

Not a single poster has said that Thybulle was worth #7. The question is whether he is worth moving down from #7 and using the Covington TPE for.

Brandon-Clyde wrote:Don't forget that Thybulle is in the last year of his rookie contract so he will need to be re-signed and will almost certainly be expecting a raise.

If the massive turnover of our roster every year is any indication, this is a non-issue. Accumulate as much talent as you can, then retain the talent worth retaining.

I am all about grabbing talent but Thybulle is a defensive specialist who can't shoot and I have him as being a bit light to guard sf's on a regular basis and that means a large part of his minutes will need to come at guard where we are pretty well set already. Just wouldn't give up a lot for him.

JasonStern · Post #20 » by **JasonStern** » Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:25 am

Brandon-Clyde wrote:I am all about grabbing talent but Thybulle is a defensive specialist who can't shoot and I have him as being a bit light to guard sf's on a regular basis and that means a large part of his minutes will need to come at guard where we are pretty well set already. Just wouldn't give up a lot for him.

I will refer you to the first reply in this thread:

JasonStern wrote:Matisse Thybulle would be a great pick-up if the asking price is reasonable.