Knicks Draft Post Mortem

[mpharris36]

Ive been very vocal about how I dissaprove about this regimes roster approach.

Last night was the least surprising way they go a out it. Kick the can down the road in hopes of landing FA's.

Let see how teams hold our feet to fire with guys like noel and burks now that they know we are all in on Brunson.

[duetta]

So, management gets hyperfocused on one or two guys, and are too lazy to scout anyone else

Picture of competence, that. As we all know, they're scouting geniuses with extensive histories of drafting stars, so we should trust them.

They could have scouted them and concluded that they were not superior to the players we already have in-house.

In life, you have a choice. When I didn't like what management had done (the Melo trade, after the Marbury & Curry trades), I took a 30-month breather from a 50+ year fandom. I found more satisfying ways to invest my time - and then came back to watch Dolan's folly come crashing down on his head.

Maybe it's time for some of you to take a break?

[3toheadmelo]

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[Chanel Bomber]

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Trashiest fanbase.

[DOT]

They could have scouted them and concluded that they were not superior to the players we already have in-house.

I don't know why you say this like the FO has an extensive track record of being right about this and we should just trust them

Because if anyone we could've picked at 11 turns out good, that means they're incompetent

You really wanna bet that nobody after 11 is any good? Because that's the only way you win the "FO are geniuses for not picking anyone" argument.

[Reign23]

yeah btw the knicks fans at the draft, spike lee and stephen A are so **** embarrasing.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Probably somewhere…another dog and pony show where they brag about all the future picks they have

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[DOT]

Let see how teams hold our feet to fire with guys like noel and burks now that they know we are all in on Brunson.

That's the other thing

Everyone knows we need to make more moves

We're shooting ourselves in the foot and guys are like "great shot, right through the center, we'll just amputate it and get a prosthetic limb, we can't compete in the Paralympics otherwise".

[Chanel Bomber]

Probably somewhere…another dog and pony show where they brag about all the future picks they have

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Their draft strategy was clearly tied to their free agency strategy so it would make sense not to speak on it publicly before the start of free agency.

[ag3]

They will use those 1sts to dump Fournier and Burks.

If not, they will use all the picks for Beal or Irving plus a lot of our youth.

[KnixinSix]

I mean yeah.

My question is why are people so mad?

Are you mad simply because they didnt get anyone?

Are you mad because presumably going after Brunson?

Are you mad because you loved Kemba?

Was their a guy on the board you wanted?

Are you mad because 'only' Brunson was not enough of a needle mover to punt on this draft even though the prospects arguably thinned out after the top 7-8?

I just see all this outrage and for what?

To me it is an incomplete as the moves have to be looked at in full context with the entire offseason plan.

If we do end up with Brunson that makes this a B/B- to me.

If we end up trading for a bonafide star Dejounte Murray (at only 16-17M over next 2 years) AND Brunson this is easily an A for me.

Knicks plan with a vet coach like Thibs could be to compete this year. Their plan last year failed miserably because the back court guys they got couldnt play a like of D and were not great fits regardless. Yes thats on Rose but we didnt sign them to super long term deals.

If the plan is with all these stockpiled picks and some shedding of salary is for Dejounte AND Brunson the line up looks drastically better for next year. You can argue Brunson isnt a superstar but unlike Forunier/Kemba he is a glue player who has a very well balanced game. Hed be the best PG weve had since I dont know when.

Now Dejounte would be a perfect complement for a Thibs team as he can play both point or shooting guard and defends excellent too.

Randle could look like a much different player with a true point guard setting up the offense. Yes he sucked last year but he is a 20 pt/game player that could easily bounceback and look more like 2020 Randle (and he is on a very reasonable contract).

Brunson
Murray
RJ
Randle
Mitch

All entering 4 years of NBA experience or more but still all in their beginning of their prime years. All have the ability to play D at an average or better level. 3 ball a bit weak but the bench can make up for that.

[seren]

This one is just like every other Knicks transaction. On the surface, I don’t think three first rounders for a pick you don’t want to make is a bad trade. Problem is the Front office, as usual, have a total misunderstanding of where we are as a franchise and what we need. We need to accumulate young talent and hope couple of them turn out to be stars. They seem to think that if they tinker in the margins and add a guy like Brunson, they would achieve something. I would not mind if they go for it and chase real stars, however old or flawed those guys might be. But that is not what they are doing. They are building around Randle, Brunson if he comes, RJ. That is not a winning roster. That is a treadmill.

[thebuzzardman]

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Give them something to cheer about and they'll cheer

[Deeeez Knicks]

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Their draft strategy was clearly tied to their free agency strategy so it would make sense not to speak on it publicly before the start of free agency.

My bad, I misread it and thought there was a press conference and was surprised.

That makes more sense that they won’t say anything

[3toheadmelo]

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Low key he is actually a good prospect.. nothing like frank. He would’ve been a good project pick

[thebuzzardman]

I mean yeah.

My question is why are people so mad?

Are you mad simply because they didnt get anyone?

Are you mad because presumably going after Brunson?

Are you mad because you loved Kemba?

Was their a guy on the board you wanted?

Are you mad because 'only' Brunson was not enough of a needle mover to punt on this draft even though the prospects arguably thinned out after the top 7-8?

I just see all this outrage and for what?

To me it is an incomplete as the moves have to be looked at in full context with the entire offseason plan.

If we do end up with Brunson that makes this a B/B- to me.

If we end up trading for a bonafide star Dejounte Murray (at only 16-17M over next 2 years) AND Brunson this is easily an A for me.

Knicks plan with a vet coach like Thibs could be to compete this year. Their plan last year failed miserably because the back court guys they got couldnt play a like of D and were not great fits regardless. Yes thats on Rose but we didnt sign them to super long term deals.

If the plan is with all these stockpiled picks and some shedding of salary is for Dejounte AND Brunson the line up looks drastically better for next year. You can argue Brunson isnt a superstar but unlike Forunier/Kemba he is a glue player who has a very well balanced game. Hed be the best PG weve had since I dont know when.

Now Dejounte would be a perfect complement for a Thibs team as he can play both point or shooting guard and defends excellent too.

Randle could look like a much different player with a true point guard setting up the offense. Yes he sucked last year but he is a 20 pt/game player that could easily bounceback and look more like 2020 Randle (and he is on a very reasonable contract).

Brunson
Murray
RJ
Randle
Mitch

All entering 4 years of NBA experience or more but still all in their beginning of their prime years. All have the ability to play D at an average or better level. 3 ball a bit weak but the bench can make up for that.

Three off seasons of treading water in mediocrity and punting picks down the road while they cap out with the likes of Randle, Fournier and soon RJ, not to mention the collection of 30 something sucktastic vets they have, who if the DO move them, will require the use of "assets" they are stockpiling - which is EXACTLY what happened to move Zombie Kemba off the team, and you are "good with this" ?

Really?

We'll just have to wait for 2025 for "the plan to all come together"?

Yeah, no.
This FO sucks donkey d*ck.
There might be a couple of good guys doing technician work since the clearly aren't part of the "vision", but whoever is driving the path and doing the major advising, and I figure that's Thibs/Perry/WWW talking to Rose, then yeah, those guy's suck.

Imagine how much more they'll suck when Aller packs his bags in disgust, which has got to be happening any moment now.

[thebuzzardman]

I see it as the Knicks got 4 2025 picks in the mid teens.

Yay.

[Clyde_Style]

[Fat Kat]

To be determined. A few things need to happen. They have to land Brunson (I’m not sold on Brunson).

They have to move Randle. He’s the turd that pollutes the well.

They have to clear up logjams on the roster. Trade 2 of Burks, Rose, Nerlens, Evan or Cam. Hopefully getting an asset.

They have to use the war chest in a productive manner. Too many picks to roster next year.

[Chanel Bomber]

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Trashiest fanbase.

Give them something to cheer about and they'll cheer

They booed KP mercilessly then cheered for him and hyped him up as a future superstar only to boo him again.

They booed Randle then cheered for him and chanted MVP only to boo him again less than a month into the past season.

They booed DSJ and chanted for Frank at his direct expense when he was grieving the loss of a family member.

I won't go as far as to say that the fans are the reason players don't want to come here because I disagree with this assessment, but this is 1000% a toxic fanbase.