Knicks Draft Post Mortem

[TerrenceClarke]

Probably somewhere…another dog and pony show where they brag about all the future picks they have

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[Juco24]

To be determined. A few things need to happen. They have to land Brunson (I’m not sold on Brunson).

They have to move Randle. He’s the turd that pollutes the well.

They have to clear up logjams on the roster. Trade 2 of Burks, Rose, Nerlens, Evan or Cam. Hopefully getting an asset.

They have to use the war chest in a productive manner. Too many picks to roster next year.

Thibs, Perry and WWW have sold Rose on the idea that a PG will unlock Randle.

Perry advocates because Randle is his signature move and he wants to polish the turd that is his legacy, plus he probably would like one more job after the coming firings. I figure he's got a spot reserved in Detroit since he did such yeoman's work for them in this draft. Or maybe the Hornets. Hooked them right up.

WWW loves to polish that Kentucky knob so you know he's pushing Randle.
WWW also pushed hard for the Knicks to move his giant mistake of Walker off, replaced with Brunson, since he figures most people are idiots and will forget.

Thibs just wants vets, so of course he's cool a) trading away picks and b) getting a decent PG in, because he too likes paychecks

Rose is receptive to all of it because frankly, he's kind of a big lummox who isn't that bright, and it's a CAA client and his godson etc etc.

What a collection of morons.

Yep!! I don't think the plan was ever to trade Randle but build around him based upon his performance a season ago. RANDLE IS JUST NOT that guy.

Brunson, Fournier, Mitch, RJ and Randle.... YUCK!!!!!

[Knicksfan1992]

I don’t even mind that we want Brunson.. I just hate that we had to give up a lottery pick to even make it a possibility. If we didn’t give out garbage contracts to Fournier, Burks, kemba and Noel we’d still have our pick while having cap space to get their boy Brunson. Sigh

I don't get this mentality. We netted out more assets than we had previously in the trade and we didn't give any of our own picks in the trade. They might not be as flashy as the 11 pick, but it seems like to make trades for meaningful players these days you have to have a mix of quality and quantity. I assume this is all to make a run at Mitchell next offseason...Brunson is just also the collateral gain assuming that's the target with the cap space..

This trade comes down to 2 factors for me:

Whether they have to attach another 1st to get the requisite cap space needed to sign Brunson or whomever they are targeting? If they do that then I will be less optimistic of this trade...

If you really liked anyone at 11, then this could go down to haunt us. I personally liked Griffin a little bit so if he turns out liek I think he could turn out then this could end up biting us in the ass.

That's why I gave it a B, I don't think it's perfect and it could come back to bite us, but the idea of adding more little assets for a potential move down the line intrigues me more than just making a draft pick in a consensus weak draft.

[3toheadmelo]

I’m still **** mad

Bruh that was a LEGENDARY Night. I may never be the same again in my Knick Fandom. Im drained...

That feeling I had when I thought we actually got ivey was something I haven’t felt for the Knicks since the 2013 season that was a roller coaster

[3toheadmelo]

I don’t even mind that we want Brunson.. I just hate that we had to give up a lottery pick to even make it a possibility. If we didn’t give out garbage contracts to Fournier, Burks, kemba and Noel we’d still have our pick while having cap space to get their boy Brunson. Sigh

I don't get this mentality. We netted out more assets than we had previously in the trade and we didn't give any of our own picks in the trade. They might not be as flashy as the 11 pick, but it seems like to make trades for meaningful players these days you have to have a mix of quality and quantity. I assume this is all to make a run at Mitchell next offseason...Brunson is just also the collateral gain assuming that's the target with the cap space..

This trade comes down to 2 factors for me:

Whether they have to attach another 1st to get the requisite cap space needed to sign Brunson or whomever they are targeting? If they do that then I will be less optimistic of this trade...

If you really liked anyone at 11, then this could go down to haunt us. I personally liked Griffin a little bit so if he turns out liek I think he could turn out then this could end up biting us in the ass.

That's why I gave it a B, I don't think it's perfect and it could come back to bite us, but the idea of adding more little assets for a potential move down the line intrigues me more than just making a draft pick in a consensus weak draft.

Bro those assets we just got are about to be used to dump those bad contracts to get Brunson. Woj even said it himself..

This is a big F

[SARGO127]

I don’t even mind that we want Brunson.. I just hate that we had to give up a lottery pick to even make it a possibility. If we didn’t give out garbage contracts to Fournier, Burks, kemba and Noel we’d still have our pick while having cap space to get their boy Brunson. Sigh

I don't get this mentality. We netted out more assets than we had previously in the trade and we didn't give any of our own picks in the trade. They might not be as flashy as the 11 pick, but it seems like to make trades for meaningful players these days you have to have a mix of quality and quantity. I assume this is all to make a run at Mitchell next offseason...Brunson is just also the collateral gain assuming that's the target with the cap space..

This trade comes down to 2 factors for me:

Whether they have to attach another 1st to get the requisite cap space needed to sign Brunson or whomever they are targeting? If they do that then I will be less optimistic of this trade...

If you really liked anyone at 11, then this could go down to haunt us. I personally liked Griffin a little bit so if he turns out liek I think he could turn out then this could end up biting us in the ass.

That's why I gave it a B, I don't think it's perfect and it could come back to bite us, but the idea of adding more little assets for a potential move down the line intrigues me more than just making a draft pick in a consensus weak draft.

My only issue with it is that if their end goal is signing Brunson, this move doesn’t even give them enough cap to do so.

They already showed their hand and showed the rest of the league that they’d be willing to give up multiple picks to dump a 9M expiring. Imagine what it will cost to dump Noel or Fournier. If they had deals lined up to clear enough cap to offer the max to another player (Lavine, Ayton) or the $25M needed for Brunson, I’d be much more inclined to like the deal.

Now, we have to deal with teams trying to bend us over even more.

[moocow007]

This sums up my opinion of this FO

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So....like I've said ad nauseum. You simply CANNOT hire a guy that has absolutely no experience in the job you need him to do real well no matter how good he was in doing a different job. And it's mind boggling how this franchise continues to fail to be able to leverage the one thing where there is no salary cap limiting them to their big wallet benefit. Of course that means backing up the Brinks truck to the best front office money can buy...mind boggling.

And you know what is going to happen right? They are going to either:

a). fail to land Brunson cause Dallas will offer him a couple million more than whatever these idiots can clear off the cap from their own cap loading stupidity and then, panic, and throw more money than necessary on more vets that they'll not be able to move easily and that won't move the needle enough.

b). give him a max (after emptying out whatever assets they can't afford to lose) to realize that he cannot carry this team out of the hamster wheel by himself and then in a couple years we'll be looking to trade another lottery pick to find a team willing to take Brunson.

[Reign23]

I am curious about the next dump. hope that we don't have to attach one of those firsts to burks or Noel.
Imo it should be able to bounce Burks without giving up anything.

[Knicksfan1992]

I don’t even mind that we want Brunson.. I just hate that we had to give up a lottery pick to even make it a possibility. If we didn’t give out garbage contracts to Fournier, Burks, kemba and Noel we’d still have our pick while having cap space to get their boy Brunson. Sigh

I don't get this mentality. We netted out more assets than we had previously in the trade and we didn't give any of our own picks in the trade. They might not be as flashy as the 11 pick, but it seems like to make trades for meaningful players these days you have to have a mix of quality and quantity. I assume this is all to make a run at Mitchell next offseason...Brunson is just also the collateral gain assuming that's the target with the cap space..

This trade comes down to 2 factors for me:

Whether they have to attach another 1st to get the requisite cap space needed to sign Brunson or whomever they are targeting? If they do that then I will be less optimistic of this trade...

If you really liked anyone at 11, then this could go down to haunt us. I personally liked Griffin a little bit so if he turns out liek I think he could turn out then this could end up biting us in the ass.

That's why I gave it a B, I don't think it's perfect and it could come back to bite us, but the idea of adding more little assets for a potential move down the line intrigues me more than just making a draft pick in a consensus weak draft.

My only issue with it is that if their end goal is signing Brunson, this move doesn’t even give them enough cap to do so.

They already showed their hand and showed the rest of the league that they’d be willing to give up multiple picks to dump a 9M expiring. Imagine what it will cost to dump Noel or Fournier. If they had deals lined up to clear enough cap to offer the max to another player (Lavine, Ayton) or the $25M needed for Brunson, I’d be much more inclined to like the deal.

Now, we have to deal with teams trying to bend us over even more.

We'll see. It's obviously a setup move so the following moves will effect the overall grade of this one...I can't imagine they have to attach a 1st to move Burks for example. He's still a useful player on an expiring deal.

[Synciere]

All of this for Brunson is a joke if it even happens.

There's still hope (in my mind) that this wasn't all just for Brunson, but for some All Star soon to be determined.

[Kampuchea]

Had the wrong link in OP, and updated it.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-nba-draft-breaking-down-the-knicks-three-separate-trades-after-moving-kemba-walker/

Trade 1

Knicks--Thunder trade

Knicks receive:
2023 first round pick via Detroit (protected 1-18 until 2024, protected 1-13 in 2025, protected 1-11 in 2026, protected 1-9 in 2027)
2023 first round pick via Washington (protected 1-14 in 2023, protected 1-12 in 2024, protected 1-10 in 2025, protected 1-8 in 2026)
2023 first round pick via Denver (protected 1-14 until 2025)

Thunder receive:
No. 11 pick (Ousmane Dieng)

Trade 2

Knicks--Hornets trade

Knicks receive:
No. 13 pick (Jalen Duren)

Hornets receive:
2023 first round pick via Denver (protected 1-14 until 2025)
2023 second round pick via New York
2023 second round pick via Utah
2023 second round pick (most favorable pick between Dallas and Miami)
2024 second round pick via New York

Trade 3

Knicks--Pistons trade

Knicks receive:
2025 first-round pick via Milwaukee (protected 1-4)

Pistons receive:
No. 13 pick (Jalen Duren)
Kemba Walker

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knicks twitter never stops to amaze me in terms of there justification of this franchise. I get it you love the team but thinking this team has a "direction" is ridiculous.

[TerrenceClarke]

I’m still **** mad

Bruh that was a LEGENDARY Night. I may never be the same again in my Knick Fandom. Im drained...

That feeling I had when I thought we actually got ivey was something I haven’t felt for the Knicks since the 2013 season that was a roller coaster

Bro I was going crazy like.... it LOOKED MAD REAL I was like this was a WIZARD level trade being made here. They Got draft picks AND Duren?

I was even Hyped when the Picked Deing cause I was like he will outlast Thibs...

Then saw that was it get rid of Kemba

Biggest tease ever...Like I said I will never forget this night.


They stunned the whole fan base with this move and made us the butt of Jokes all night into today. I seriously hate them...


This Trash ass Franchise could not even get the 30th pick back from OKC

We could have actually drafted Hardy, McGowens STRAIGHT UP.

[SARGO127]

I don't get this mentality. We netted out more assets than we had previously in the trade and we didn't give any of our own picks in the trade. They might not be as flashy as the 11 pick, but it seems like to make trades for meaningful players these days you have to have a mix of quality and quantity. I assume this is all to make a run at Mitchell next offseason...Brunson is just also the collateral gain assuming that's the target with the cap space..

This trade comes down to 2 factors for me:

Whether they have to attach another 1st to get the requisite cap space needed to sign Brunson or whomever they are targeting? If they do that then I will be less optimistic of this trade...

If you really liked anyone at 11, then this could go down to haunt us. I personally liked Griffin a little bit so if he turns out liek I think he could turn out then this could end up biting us in the ass.

That's why I gave it a B, I don't think it's perfect and it could come back to bite us, but the idea of adding more little assets for a potential move down the line intrigues me more than just making a draft pick in a consensus weak draft.

My only issue with it is that if their end goal is signing Brunson, this move doesn’t even give them enough cap to do so.

They already showed their hand and showed the rest of the league that they’d be willing to give up multiple picks to dump a 9M expiring. Imagine what it will cost to dump Noel or Fournier. If they had deals lined up to clear enough cap to offer the max to another player (Lavine, Ayton) or the $25M needed for Brunson, I’d be much more inclined to like the deal.

Now, we have to deal with teams trying to bend us over even more.

We'll see. It's obviously a setup move so the following moves will effect the overall grade of this one...I can't imagine they have to attach a 1st to move Burks for example. He's still a useful player on an expiring deal.

Burks should be able to be moved into a TPE for nothing ya. But now teams know our MO and will fuq us.

[Synciere]

I don’t even mind that we want Brunson.. I just hate that we had to give up a lottery pick to even make it a possibility. If we didn’t give out garbage contracts to Fournier, Burks, kemba and Noel we’d still have our pick while having cap space to get their boy Brunson. Sigh

I don't get this mentality. We netted out more assets than we had previously in the trade and we didn't give any of our own picks in the trade. They might not be as flashy as the 11 pick, but it seems like to make trades for meaningful players these days you have to have a mix of quality and quantity. I assume this is all to make a run at Mitchell next offseason...Brunson is just also the collateral gain assuming that's the target with the cap space..

This trade comes down to 2 factors for me:

Whether they have to attach another 1st to get the requisite cap space needed to sign Brunson or whomever they are targeting? If they do that then I will be less optimistic of this trade...

If you really liked anyone at 11, then this could go down to haunt us. I personally liked Griffin a little bit so if he turns out liek I think he could turn out then this could end up biting us in the ass.

That's why I gave it a B, I don't think it's perfect and it could come back to bite us, but the idea of adding more little assets for a potential move down the line intrigues me more than just making a draft pick in a consensus weak draft.

My only issue with it is that if their end goal is signing Brunson, this move doesn’t even give them enough cap to do so.

They already showed their hand and showed the rest of the league that they’d be willing to give up multiple picks to dump a 9M expiring. Imagine what it will cost to dump Noel or Fournier. If they had deals lined up to clear enough cap to offer the max to another player (Lavine, Ayton) or the $25M needed for Brunson, I’d be much more inclined to like the deal.

Now, we have to deal with teams trying to bend us over even more.

Yeah if the Detroit deal had been Fournier instead of Kemba I'd like it a lot more.

[SARGO127]

Yah, there were 2-3 times I actually thought Ivey was coming. Especially when Woj tweeted Duren to NY and Shams said Duren to DET (or the other way around), then Fischer said a 3 way. Just the biggest troll night ever

[Kampuchea]

Had the wrong link in OP, and updated it.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2022-nba-draft-breaking-down-the-knicks-three-separate-trades-after-moving-kemba-walker/

Trade 1

Knicks--Thunder trade

Knicks receive:
2023 first round pick via Detroit (protected 1-18 until 2024, protected 1-13 in 2025, protected 1-11 in 2026, protected 1-9 in 2027)
2023 first round pick via Washington (protected 1-14 in 2023, protected 1-12 in 2024, protected 1-10 in 2025, protected 1-8 in 2026)
2023 first round pick via Denver (protected 1-14 until 2025)

Thunder receive:
No. 11 pick (Ousmane Dieng)

Trade 2

Knicks--Hornets trade

Knicks receive:
No. 13 pick (Jalen Duren)

Hornets receive:
2023 first round pick via Denver (protected 1-14 until 2025)
2023 second round pick via New York
2023 second round pick via Utah
2023 second round pick (most favorable pick between Dallas and Miami)
2024 second round pick via New York

Trade 3

Knicks--Pistons trade

Knicks receive:
2025 first-round pick via Milwaukee (protected 1-4)

Pistons receive:
No. 13 pick (Jalen Duren)
Kemba Walker

Breaking them down into 3 separate trades - 1&2 I really like. Trade 3 is poor value - for Detroit to get pick 13 this year they should give up more then a future Milwaukee pick and take on Kemba. They should have returned us some seconds or taken on more salary or both.

[TerrenceClarke]

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knicks twitter never stops to amaze me in terms of there justification of this franchise. I get it you love the team but thinking this team has a "direction" is ridiculous.

Its not just from Knicks Twitter people here justifying the **** last night to.

[nykfan42]

I cant believe I wasted my time watching last night expecting us to do anything to improve the team. Instead we just cleared space for the CHANCE to sign Jalen Brunson. He's not some top tier PG. He did well in the post season but this is the big acquisition we're anticipating?

The whole night was very confusing. It's even more annoying that Leon Rose is always MIA. He never addresses the fans or the media it seems like. At least try to sell this as a good thing. Instead we just watch in anger as every other team in the league uses their draft picks to actually add players to their roster. This team is a joke. Such a typical Knicks draft.

[3toheadmelo]

Y’all are fooling yourselves if you think the Knicks have some crazy move in plans. This is the same team that gave Fournier a 4 year deal 78 million contract when Boston let him go with zero hesitation. We not getting Lavine, Ayton, Beal, Donovan Mitchell. We about to attach all of those picks we got yesterday to move Burks, Noel just to sign Brunson to be our savior.