Pistons likely have another deal lined up with New York pending....

[bstein14]

New York made a cost cutting trade to open up cap space but the reality is, they still need to clear off about $10+ million more to sign Brunson or $20 million to sign Kyrie.

Best case for us is Kyrie opts out of his contract and becomes a Free agent and teams have to create cap space for him

Detroit is one of very few teams able to absorb contracts without returning players with salaries this summer.

New York is likely going to wait it out and see if they can get Kyrie or Brunson. Detroit might want to wait it out to to see what type of deals we end up getting offered once FA starts... What teams are willing to pay us to absorb contracts, and what players might have interest in coming to play with us at what price, etc.

Even having us in their back pocket ready to take salary likely helps the Knicks in a potential Kyrie opt-in and trade to New York.

Overall, I think we might not be done getting future assets/value from New York.

I could see something along the lines of Nerlens Noel + Our pick back + Cash for "future draft considerations that likely never amount to anything.

They also have Rose and Burks as potential players they would want/need to trade out of depending on the situation.

[JerseyJungle]

This makes a ton of sense. You know we need that pick back, it hamstrings us alot.

[zeebneeb]

The Pistons need shooters, and while his contract is longish(the last year is a team option)I would not be opposed in eating Even Fournier contract for that shooting, if there is a pick or two involved.

Could be a really good asset off the bench.

[flow]

New York made a cost cutting trade to open up cap space but the reality is, they still need to clear off about $20 million more to sign Brunson.

Best case for us is Kyrie opts out of his contract and becomes a Free agent and teams have to create cap space for him

Detroit is one of very few teams able to absorb contracts without returning players with salaries this summer.

New York is likely going to wait it out and see if they can get Kyrie or Brunson. Detroit might want to wait it out to to see what type of deals we end up getting offered once FA starts... What teams are willing to pay us to absorb contracts, and what players might have interest in coming to play with us at what price, etc.

Even having us in their back pocket ready to take salary likely helps the Knicks in a potential Kyrie opt-in and trade to New York.

Overall, I think we might not be done getting future assets/value from New York.

I could see something along the lines of Nerlens Noel + Our pick back + Cash for "future draft considerations that likely never amount to anything.

They also have Rose and Burks as potential players they would want/need to trade out of depending on the situation.

Just to clarify, you're not breaking news or reporting a story here, right? That's what the title had me believing.

I'm not busting your balls, by the way. Your post is sensible.

[DBC10]

This makes a ton of sense. You know we need that pick back, it hamstrings us alot.

The 2023 pick? It's top 18 protected and if it doesn't convey for a couple years it turns into seconds which is basically a fake first

[bstein14]

New York made a cost cutting trade to open up cap space but the reality is, they still need to clear off about $20 million more to sign Brunson.

Best case for us is Kyrie opts out of his contract and becomes a Free agent and teams have to create cap space for him

Detroit is one of very few teams able to absorb contracts without returning players with salaries this summer.

New York is likely going to wait it out and see if they can get Kyrie or Brunson. Detroit might want to wait it out to to see what type of deals we end up getting offered once FA starts... What teams are willing to pay us to absorb contracts, and what players might have interest in coming to play with us at what price, etc.

Even having us in their back pocket ready to take salary likely helps the Knicks in a potential Kyrie opt-in and trade to New York.

Overall, I think we might not be done getting future assets/value from New York.

I could see something along the lines of Nerlens Noel + Our pick back + Cash for "future draft considerations that likely never amount to anything.

They also have Rose and Burks as potential players they would want/need to trade out of depending on the situation.

Just to clarify, you're not breaking news or reporting a story here, right? That's what the title had me believing.

I'm not busting your balls, by the way. Your post is sensible.

No story here, just of the opinion here that New York and Detroit had a lot of discussions about moving picks for players. New York will need to move at least one more player somewhere, but they might be waiting to see exactly who they can get as a FA before giving up an asset to make a move.... or waiting to see if they can instead work out a sign-and-trade deal to perhaps have to give up less. Hopefully if New York does land Brunson, the Mavs don't want to do anything to help the Knicks out and they refuse to do a sign and trade which would force New York to move another pick to clear a player off their cap.

[bstein14]

This makes a ton of sense. You know we need that pick back, it hamstrings us alot.

The 2023 pick? It's top 18 protected and if it doesn't convey for a couple years it turns into seconds which is basically a fake first

The better pick to get from the Knicks instead of our own back, would be the Wizards 2023 pick.

Washington's pick is:
Top 14 protected in 2023
Top 12 protected in 2024
Top 10 protected in 2025
Top 8 protected in 2026 (becomes two 2nds if not conveyed by here)

Detroit's pick is:
Top 18 protected in 2023
Top 18 protected in 2024
Top 13 protected in 2025
Top 11 protected in 2026
Top 9 protected in 2027 (becomes 2027 2nd if not conveyed by here)

[JerseyJungle]

Yes, I was looking a that, too. If you believe Washington and Detroit are about the same caliber, it does make sense. But if you're beting on yourself, it makes sense to get our pick back.

[JerseyJungle]

This makes a ton of sense. You know we need that pick back, it hamstrings us alot.

The 2023 pick? It's top 18 protected and if it doesn't convey for a couple years it turns into seconds which is basically a fake first

Its actually five years, not a couple. So, in the background, if you want to keep the pick, you don't want to get too good too fast. I certainly hope by 2025 we're picking lower than 13, or by 2026 we're picking lower than 11, which would mean we would be forfeiting the pick. A fake first would apply only if we keep on sucking.

[FloridaMan78]

This makes a ton of sense. You know we need that pick back, it hamstrings us alot.

The 2023 pick? It's top 18 protected and if it doesn't convey for a couple years it turns into seconds which is basically a fake first

I think he means because we can’t make trades with it. Which is exactly why Weaver traded in the first place lol.

I think Weaver did it to make sure Gores couldn’t ever say hey let’s go after that star player it only costs a couple future firsts.

[chrbal]

I’d be interested in Burks, think Noel doesn’t make sense for us.

But I don’t see the point. New York is so in on Brunson that they gave us a lottery pick for a guy we highly coveted and Walker for a future first that might not amount to much.

This is the point where you hit on the poker table and it’s time to cash out. New York wants to overpay for us to take someone, I’m listening. But I’m not actively trying to make another trade with them.

[breezypeezy]

I'm a little nervous about eating too much of others contracts unless it's a given we cannot land a Ayton or Bridges with our own cap space.
Agree that Weaver is not done though, the cap space thread implied we have 35-45 million to work with yet. With another poster saying ( option on Bagley and something else wouldn't count against cap because "rules???").
It gets a little confusing, but as long as our F.O. knows is all that matters.

[bstein14]

I'm a little nervous about eating too much of others contracts unless it's a given we cannot land a Ayton or Bridges with our own cap space.
Agree that Weaver is not done though, the cap space thread implied we have 35-45 million to work with yet. With another poster saying ( option on Bagley and something else wouldn't count against cap because "rules???").
It gets a little confusing, but as long as our F.O. knows is all that matters.

We will find out in 5 days where we sit, with whether or not we are picking up the team options on Frank Jackson, Luka Garza, and Diallo. Garza doesn't really impact much because he makes the minimum and there's a salary slot for 12 players anyways even if he's let go.

[JerseyJungle]

This makes a ton of sense. You know we need that pick back, it hamstrings us alot.

The 2023 pick? It's top 18 protected and if it doesn't convey for a couple years it turns into seconds which is basically a fake first

I think he means because we can’t make trades with it. Which is exactly why Weaver traded in the first place lol.

I think Weaver did it to make sure Gores couldn’t ever say hey let’s go after that star player it only costs a couple future firsts.

Yes. That is the other reason you'd like it back - - more flexibility.

[mattao313]

Good call bstein14

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[grpistons]

This is one of the more specific and impressive predictions I've seen in recent memory.

[bstein14]

Yup, it made sense... just wish we would have gotten our future first back instead of two 2nds.

[whitehops]

Yup, it made sense... just wish we would have gotten our future first back instead of two 2nds.

great call! i think most people underestimated how muxh the knicks were going all in this off season and how much we were folding but you nailed it.

[JerseyJungle]

Man - how did we not get our first rounder back on this?? I thought Troy could do anything?

[DetroitDon15]

Yup, it made sense... just wish we would have gotten our future first back instead of two 2nds.

great call! i think most people underestimated how muxh the knicks were going all in this off season and how much we were folding but you nailed it.

My hope is that we wrap all these players into a deal with the Lakers to take on Westbrick and get a 2027 pick from them. Followed by a release of Westbrick.