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Re: 2022 draft/prospects thread 

Post#561 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:15 am

Hope we snag Karlo or Barlow at 57.
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Post#562 » by Wickzki » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:31 am

Holy **** Jabari Walker!

Daaaaamn.

The kid can flat out play. Very happy with a potential steal here. Very, very happy.
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Post#563 » by DaVoiceMaster » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:38 am

Gotta admit, I'm disappointed.
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Re: 2022 draft/prospects thread 

Post#564 » by RTG HD » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:51 am

DaVoiceMaster wrote:What happened with the #46 pick?


I don't know what we got but I kind of like Ismael Kamagate. Too bad he is not coming to Portland.
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Re: 2022 draft/prospects thread 

Post#565 » by DaVoiceMaster » Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:04 am

RTG HD wrote:
DaVoiceMaster wrote:What happened with the #46 pick?


I don't know what we got but I kind of like Ismael Kamagate. Too bad he is not coming to Portland.


T&T Board said we got a Denver 2024 2nd Round pick. (Yawn)
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Re: 2022 draft/prospects thread 

Post#566 » by Wickzki » Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:06 am

My draft summary now that I've cooled my jets on my boy Dyson going to Nawlins.

We went boom or bust on both draft selections.

Walker has steal of the night type potential. Boom or bust. Gigantic upside. Serious buckets potential on this kid. It wouldn't surprise me if he ended up as a microwave type 15ppg scorer in 25 minutes player. Yet there's enough red flags that suggest that he'll just as easily wash out and have a good career overseas. But for where he was drafted you take that type of upside.

When it comes to Daniels people who really haven't seen him play will tell you, or have read, that he has a very low floor. On this, I call bull. At worst he's a rotation player. Too many non-scorer qualities to keep him completely off an NBA court. However, I'd argue that he has, at present, too many flaws in his game to be a high percentile likelihood of getting to his ceiling which is a scoring triple double machine. I'd say he comfortably averages 11-6-5 with some defensive numbers thrown in. It's solid 4th to 7th man type numbers.

Sharpe has potential to be a genuine second or third option. If he develops well he may even have a lesser chance to be a franchise guy. The floor is that he never puts it together and he's either at the end of the bench or worse before the end of his rookie contract.

The fact is the front office had the guts to swing for the fences. Were Portland. It's highly unlikely we're going to lure a similar upside player via free agency. If you're getting one via trade it generally means the other team has given up on that talent or they've got serious red flags (e.g. some of the Jailblazers era acquisitions).

Tonight should be considered a big win for those of you who are tired of seeing the Blazers take the safe option and swing for the fences with genuine prospects.

We're not finished yet. We still have some assets to our name but the Cronin era have established that second best will no longer be acceptable even if we fall short along the way.
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Re: 2022 draft/prospects thread 

Post#567 » by Dame Lizard » Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:47 am

Wickzki wrote:My draft summary now that I've cooled my jets on my boy Dyson going to Nawlins.

We went boom or bust on both draft selections.

Walker has steal of the night type potential. Boom or bust. Gigantic upside. Serious buckets potential on this kid. It wouldn't surprise me if he ended up as a microwave type 15ppg scorer in 25 minutes player. Yet there's enough red flags that suggest that he'll just as easily wash out and have a good career overseas. But for where he was drafted you take that type of upside.

When it comes to Daniels people who really haven't seen him play will tell you, or have read, that he has a very low floor. On this, I call bull. At worst he's a rotation player. Too many non-scorer qualities to keep him completely off an NBA court. However, I'd argue that he has, at present, too many flaws in his game to be a high percentile likelihood of getting to his ceiling which is a scoring triple double machine. I'd say he comfortably averages 11-6-5 with some defensive numbers thrown in. It's solid 4th to 7th man type numbers.

Sharpe has potential to be a genuine second or third option. If he develops well he may even have a lesser chance to be a franchise guy. The floor is that he never puts it together and he's either at the end of the bench or worse before the end of his rookie contract.

The fact is the front office had the guts to swing for the fences. Were Portland. It's highly unlikely we're going to lure a similar upside player via free agency. If you're getting one via trade it generally means the other team has given up on that talent or they've got serious red flags (e.g. some of the Jailblazers era acquisitions).

Tonight should be considered a big win for those of you who are tired of seeing the Blazers take the safe option and swing for the fences with genuine prospects.

We're not finished yet. We still have some assets to our name but the Cronin era have established that second best will no longer be acceptable even if we fall short along the way.
Do many people say Dyson Daniels has a low floor? (I know I made a typo and accidentally said it in an earlier post ).

To me he has a really high floor. It's the ceiling which isn't super high.

I think Dyson has serious elite role player potential (with a ceiling as an Iguodala calibre of player). The kind of player championship teams need.
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Re: 2022 draft/prospects thread 

Post#568 » by Wickzki » Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:41 am

Dame Lizard wrote:
Wickzki wrote:My draft summary now that I've cooled my jets on my boy Dyson going to Nawlins.

We went boom or bust on both draft selections.

Walker has steal of the night type potential. Boom or bust. Gigantic upside. Serious buckets potential on this kid. It wouldn't surprise me if he ended up as a microwave type 15ppg scorer in 25 minutes player. Yet there's enough red flags that suggest that he'll just as easily wash out and have a good career overseas. But for where he was drafted you take that type of upside.

When it comes to Daniels people who really haven't seen him play will tell you, or have read, that he has a very low floor. On this, I call bull. At worst he's a rotation player. Too many non-scorer qualities to keep him completely off an NBA court. However, I'd argue that he has, at present, too many flaws in his game to be a high percentile likelihood of getting to his ceiling which is a scoring triple double machine. I'd say he comfortably averages 11-6-5 with some defensive numbers thrown in. It's solid 4th to 7th man type numbers.

Sharpe has potential to be a genuine second or third option. If he develops well he may even have a lesser chance to be a franchise guy. The floor is that he never puts it together and he's either at the end of the bench or worse before the end of his rookie contract.

The fact is the front office had the guts to swing for the fences. Were Portland. It's highly unlikely we're going to lure a similar upside player via free agency. If you're getting one via trade it generally means the other team has given up on that talent or they've got serious red flags (e.g. some of the Jailblazers era acquisitions).

Tonight should be considered a big win for those of you who are tired of seeing the Blazers take the safe option and swing for the fences with genuine prospects.

We're not finished yet. We still have some assets to our name but the Cronin era have established that second best will no longer be acceptable even if we fall short along the way.
Do many people say Dyson Daniels has a low floor? (I know I made a typo and accidentally said it in an earlier post ).

To me he has a really high floor. It's the ceiling which isn't super high.

I think Dyson has serious elite role player potential (with a ceiling as an Iguodala calibre of player). The kind of player championship teams need.


Not just you. People on other forums have been posting similar saying that his floor is he is unusable because of his scoring shortcomings.
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Re: 2022 draft/prospects thread 

Post#569 » by Goldbum » Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:18 pm

I've been set on Walker in round 2 for awhile. I wanted Walker and a future pick out of that round... Kamagate would have been like a future pick if he's headed back to Europe for a year or two
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Re: 2022 draft/prospects thread 

Post#570 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:00 pm

I like Walker, think he has some McDaniels brothers to him. Hope one of Brown / Walker can prove to have the spacing to play SF, if they end up small ball PF its a disappointment, pretty easy to find those types of guys.

As of now I think the depth chart would be:

G - Damian Lillard / Anfernee Simons
G - Anfernee Simons / Shadeon Sharpe / Keon Johnson
F - Josh Hart / Nas Little / Jabrai Walker
F - Jerami Grant / Justice Winslow / Greg Brown
C - Jusuf Nurkic / Trendon Watford

Hope we can flip Bledsoe into something + sign a vet C as Nurkic should be limited to around 24-26mpg for health.
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Re: 2022 draft/prospects thread 

Post#571 » by Goldbum » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:33 pm

The front office executive I talked to said "Walker is Sadiq Bey at 19 years old". He could go either way, but Bey at pick 57 is a heck of a selection.
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Post#572 » by Pattycakes » Fri Jun 24, 2022 3:54 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:I like Walker, think he has some McDaniels brothers to him. Hope one of Brown / Walker can prove to have the spacing to play SF, if they end up small ball PF its a disappointment, pretty easy to find those types of guys.

As of now I think the depth chart would be:

G - Damian Lillard / Anfernee Simons
G - Anfernee Simons / Shadeon Sharpe / Keon Johnson
F - Josh Hart / Nas Little / Jabrai Walker
F - Jerami Grant / Justice Winslow / Greg Brown
C - Jusuf Nurkic / Trendon Watford

Hope we can flip Bledsoe into something + sign a vet C as Nurkic should be limited to around 24-26mpg for health.


That depth chart is playoff ready. Happy to not see that lefty long Afro kid that we wasted a draft pick on that depth chart. Elleby.. that’s his name. I would sleep well if he spent the entire season in the g league
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Re: 2022 draft/prospects thread 

Post#573 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:15 pm

If money isnt an issue, and a better deal doesnt present itself, I would GTD Bledsoe as a defensive specialist and use him at the backup PG spot for 15mpg - then ideally if someone comes available around the DL we can flip him.
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Re: 2022 draft/prospects thread 

Post#574 » by Norm2953 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:20 pm

It'll be interesting how Portland proceeds moving forward.

Their big move (obviously) is trading for Grant and he will likely be asked to be a better version
of the player he was in Denver, which is this team's Paul George. I'm really doubtful he's going to
be willing to be that player but if he's willing to take on the opponent's best forward, its what
this team needs. He will have earned that extension if he simply does what the team asks him to do.

That other forward spot will likely be manned by Little who hopefully will be able to play in 70+
games next season. Got to stay on the court and his game needs to reach a higher level to earn
his extension.

Nurk is a free agent and hopefully Portland can sign him to a reasonable contract. There are a lot
of bigs in the free agent market and I think it likely one of them will end up in Portland for Nurk
does miss a lot of games and Portland has enough flexibility to sign one of them for above the vet
minimum.

What Portland does with their other free agents (Bledsoe, Ingles) remains to be seen. I wouldn't
put it past Portland to guarantee Bledsoe and Ingles for contracts above the tax MLE. Ingles in
particular, if he's ready at some point in the regular season might be of real help.

There are a lot of moving pieces for young players like Watford will get some minutes but all those
guys who were acquired at the trade deadline will need another look in training camp.

Portland's BC after they sign/match Simons is more or less set. Dame, Simons, Hart, Sharpe is a
deep BC and it will be interesting how things will shake out if Bledsoe in particular is brought
back. One can easily see Sharpe much like Ant in 2018 more or less being red-shirted with
either Bledsoe or one of a group of players takes a step forward.

Lots of moving pieces. We'll get our first look in the summer league games which start on July 7.
It'll be interesting to see what Portland does in free agency.
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Post#575 » by Skybox » Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:48 pm

I like Sharpe for POR...what does it mean for Simons? I know they can coexist but if POR is truly win-now, maybe they should look at SnT for a more proven guy. I don't know who precisely, just seems like they have good options and every season is critical with Dame's age...
It would be nice for POR to let someone else worry about whether Simons' month of excellence was real or tanking stats.
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Re: 2022 draft/prospects thread 

Post#576 » by Norm2953 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:59 pm

Skybox wrote:I like Sharpe for POR...what does it mean for Simons? I know they can coexist but if POR is truly win-now, maybe they should look at SnT for a more proven guy. I don't know who precisely, just seems like they have good options and every season is critical with Dame's age...
It would be nice for POR to let someone else worry about whether Simons' month of excellence was real or tanking stats.


I think Simons is Chauncey's guy. Before he got shut down for the season, he put up 38 points against the T-Wolves
and he was running Portland's offense efficiently with Nurk.
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Re: 2022 draft/prospects thread 

Post#577 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:41 pm

PDX isnt finding a guy worth S&T'ing Simons for IMO. Those types of moves are hard to make.
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Re: 2022 draft/prospects thread 

Post#578 » by DaVoiceMaster » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:04 pm

I sure hope Grant isn't the only significant player the Blazers get. We were sold a bill of goods and so far, the bag is half empty. I absolutely expected the #7 pick to be traded last night. Maybe this kid will be a star some day, but it won't be for a few years. We're not building around Lillard 3-4 years out, we're building for now. The team still needs to find another forward. I don't think I'd sign Bledsoe for the off chance we can trade for Durant. Simons and Bledsoe doesn't come close to getting Durant. At a minimum, the Blazers need to find a starting SF, backup PG, and backup C. I'm not overly sold on Winslow either. I like his defense, but not his offense. Maybe that's enough for now, but if they can land a better player, let's do it!!!
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Re: 2022 draft/prospects thread 

Post#579 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:35 pm

If this was the SPAM years I would think we would be in on Hayward, not so sure with the team up for sale.

Bledsoe, Winslow, Louzada, platter of future SRP for Gordon is the type of deal that could pay off big IMO.

Gordon would alleviate the need for a backup PG as well, not that he would play PG but his vision is good enough that running him and Ant when Dame sits gives us enough movement IMO.

Don’t see many other options for Eric. BB from UTA but he is a near unplayable defensive liability in the POs
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Re: 2022 draft/prospects thread 

Post#580 » by BlazersBroncos » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:49 pm

Man if KD becomes available and we can’t make a strong offer bc of that CHI owes FRP we should tar and feather NO.

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