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The Official Paolo Banchero Thread: 2022-2023 NBA Rookie of the Year

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Re: WELCOME PAOLO BANCHERO 

Post#301 » by tiderulz » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:51 pm

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Knightro wrote:There's really two main questions with Paolo.

-Can he consistently knock down threes?

-Can he figure out how to not be BBQ chicken defensively?

If he can do both of those things, he has a chance to be a legit star.

If he doesn't do either one... he can still be valuable, but ultimately much less so.

This is exactly where I'm at too. Only time will tell.

Today is a new day and I'm trying to see things through a different perspective.

- I hated this draft. Any of the top 3 had warts.

- I think it's great that he's been working with Mike Miller. Miller made Hampton a 35% shooter from 3 this year and that's a miracle.

- Have gone back to watch a little more of PB's HS videos. Been more impressed watching those. His passing was sick. Did Coach K force him to fit Duke's system too much?

- But maybe most of all I liked from his HS tape... His dreads had swag 8-) Bring that back!
I heard a scout say that he could be a better shooting version of Barnes and Ben Simmons.

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i hope he slims down 10-15 lbs. add a little more quickness
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Post#303 » by Skybox » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:56 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:After watching his passing highlights for these alley-oops dunks.... can we trade for Mark Williams?

But seriously we might keep Bamba around mainly to catch these alley oops passes from Paolo.


IMO, the drafting of PB made me look at Bamba differently. I was ready to pack Bamba's bags but, after the draft, I don't see any likely bidders for Bamba and, if he keeps improving his instincts, he might be as good a fit with Banchero as any (with his shooting and rim protection-it's hand in glove). I'm now leaning towards a team-friendly deal - that could always be traded later. Worst scenario, he should be a matchup nightmare in a limited role...perhaps his questionable motor and focus would be best served in short bursts off the bench. :nod:
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Post#304 » by Skin » Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:59 pm

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Skin wrote:This is exactly where I'm at too. Only time will tell.

Today is a new day and I'm trying to see things through a different perspective.

- I hated this draft. Any of the top 3 had warts.

- I think it's great that he's been working with Mike Miller. Miller made Hampton a 35% shooter from 3 this year and that's a miracle.

- Have gone back to watch a little more of PB's HS videos. Been more impressed watching those. His passing was sick. Did Coach K force him to fit Duke's system too much?

- But maybe most of all I liked from his HS tape... His dreads had swag 8-) Bring that back!
I heard a scout say that he could be a better shooting version of Barnes and Ben Simmons.

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i hope he slims down 10-15 lbs. add a little more quickness

Yeah he needs to get chiseled. Cut that baby fat.
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Post#305 » by Audi » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:01 pm

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PhilBlackson wrote:As an outsider trying to see things from your perspective, I really wouldn't be upset with picking Banchero at all.

I get it wanting to draft Jabari or Chet more, they do have the POTENTIAL to be better players but they're not better right now and you can call that short sighted which I guess it is to an extent but I understand your management's decision electing for more of a sure thing in Paolo. I mean how many drafts can they go into & leave with a guy that has "intriguing upside" but doesn't really pan out to a real star?! If there is any player in the top 3 that I'm confident will be a star at least at some level out of the top 3, it's Paolo and I think it was just that simple for your management.

Personally I can envision a scenario where Jabari pans out similarily to Isaac, both being good shooters (Jabari better) and defenders (Isaac better) where of course they're really good and very valuable players you still might not have a star on your hands and do I feel confident Smith will develop into a go to scorer when your team needs buckets...maybe?! I'm not so sure because his handle and footwork is fairly limited and I wouldn't just assume he'll get that. Chet of course, all of it is banking on potential and I'm even less confident he can/will be a go to scorer, he may bust entirely which would be a nightmare for your management but on the flipside likewise he could boom if he puts it together.

Point is though overall there's a lot more uncertainty that those guys will become stars. I feel with Paolo, it's not really if he will be a star but how big of one will he become?! Due to that your management likely felt like they had to come out of this draft especially 1st overall that they can't come outta there without some type of star player. It's one thing to draft a star player and another guy after just becomes a bigger one...it's another to not get one at all. Your team chose the lesser of the two evils and it shouldn't be ruled out that Banchero could still end up being the best out of all of them if he improves his defence and playmaking/passing. I think it was the smart move overall.

Paolo has upside too. people need to stop thinking that his growth stops now.


This was the biggest false narrative that kind of stuck in the background of the consensus psyche throughout this whole pre-draft process - that while Paolo may be the best player now, his ceiling isn’t as high. Which is of course nonsense.
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Post#307 » by JF5 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:20 pm

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The-Stallion70 wrote:After watching his passing highlights for these alley-oops dunks.... can we trade for Mark Williams?

But seriously we might keep Bamba around mainly to catch these alley oops passes from Paolo.


IMO, the drafting of PB made me look at Bamba differently. I was ready to pack Bamba's bags but, after the draft, I don't see any likely bidders for Bamba and, if he keeps improving his instincts, he might be as good a fit with Banchero as any (with his shooting and rim protection-it's hand in glove). I'm now leaning towards a team-friendly deal - that could always be traded later. Worst scenario, he should be a matchup nightmare in a limited role...perhaps his questionable motor and focus would be best served in short bursts off the bench. :nod:


I can't see Bamba coming back with Paolo in the fold... Paolo/Carter/Issac (with M. Wagner cleaning up the rest of the minutes) are going to be the 4/5 of the team going forward. Especially with how below average Paolo is on the perimeter he'll most likely be guarding Centers. That in itself isn't a bad idea given how weak the position is outside of a handful of guys (specifically Jokic and Embiid) and his Size/Strength/Athleticism that is comparable to today's bigs anyway won't put him at a disadvantage at all.

It would be a similar situation like Bamba last year where he was guarding the weaker offensive player on the front line. Carter Jr. is such a versatile defender that he's proven that he can stick with a Giannis or Embiid. Then you have Issac who can guard everything and everyone while also protecting the rim. You've got your rotation set there for that 3 headed monster.
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Post#308 » by yoyojw17 » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:33 pm

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tiderulz wrote:Paolo has upside too. people need to stop thinking that his growth stops now.

THIS is where i think many have fallen. Less unknowns as the other two... therefore the potential part just becomes "meh" and it's easy to become complacent and just think... this is what he is when he comes in... and he has no room to grow.

Obviously the Magic see otherwise.... as they have said that they want to have player that THEY believe will be the best down the line. And I guess paolo won that projection.



Yeah I'm not sure where the narrative on Paolo changed but to me it felt like Shiny New Toy Syndrome with Jabari & Chet

Just think back to before the college season...everyone watched Paolo & said he's that dude!! He's the top pick in the draft.

Since then what from Banchero has changed?! Nothing lol he continued to prove that he was the best player in college. He dominated and he did everything Duke asked him too and on top of that when the big moments came Paolo was usually the guy STEPPING UP for Duke & win them games. But he lost some of his sizzle I guess in part to some of his wings struggled at times with Keel, AJ while he's rehabbing, Moore inconsistent so Duke didn't really seem like the powerhouse they should've been BUT it wasn't Paolo's fault. He just kept trucking on & doing everything he can to keep them going, so as an individual talent I don't see how he really fell short and I don't think anyone would describe his PERSONAL play as falling short of being the kind of player he was supposed to be. I think he was & was again the best performing player of all of the 3 top players in the draft. So what it is it?! Just Banchero Fatigue or blaming Duke's lack of success on him because if anything I feel like if they didn't have Paolo they would've been a much worse team...

So I dunno, feels like media started penalizing him for Duke not being the fun "powerhouse" that it was when Zion/RJ/Cam instead AJ was rehabbing from injury & Keels isn't Cam lol. But it turned & Jabari is a sexy store in a way because here's a kid who coming in was mocked in the 7-10 range. Everyone thought he might be some Bosh type then turns out his jumper is wet af so everyone gets super hyped hearing about some guy who's potential is much better than they originally thought. He might be a MP Jr with good defence or a bigger Isaac prob somewhere in the middle which is a great player too. But he still didn't outplay Paolo this year....Chet wasn't really even close statisically to either guy but you see all the length & skill that it's tantalizing and that's what catches the media's eyes. thinking he has all the physical tools & gifts to be a special player but will he?? Basing it off a Gonzaga, he was by far the least the aggressive of the 3. Who's to say he will be able to handle the PFs & Cs of the league?! Based on KD?! How many other tiny guys you know have held up?? Also keep in mind KD played many years as a SF...so that's a gamble that A) he may not even have it in him to be THAT guy night in & night out B) may not hold up physically. People get all caught in that and somehow just forget Paolo was still reeeeally good this year but maybe it's fatigue & a combination of what ifs with other prospects.

But I think all that day dreaming about other prospects has made people forget how big time Paolo was/is. Doesn't help when media likens him to a couple other lighter skin top picks lol (Ben & Blake) but so it skews what kinda player Banchero actually is because yes PHYSICALLY he's very similar to those guys (which is a great thing btw lol) but his offensive game is LIGHT YEARS ahead of those 2, it's a joke scoring/skill wise to even compare them. Blake was basically around the basket & dunk threat as a young guy, the ballhandling, some semblance of passing or shooting all really only started showing up as Griffin's athleticism eroded and his understanding of off the dribble pull ups, stepbacks etc that Paolo can ALREADY do. Ben lmao, offensively there's no comparison, Simmons can pass the ball, has few rudimentary moves around the basket -- Paolo has 100x the bag Ben has as a scorer, it's just stupid. All that to say you have a physical BEAST (that physically resembles Blake/Ben) but he's his own player and if I had to say the method which he scores (not level of talent), it's actually LeBron....but Paolo doesn't have that defence (at least not yet) and certainly not anywhere near the passer ALTHOUGH he's an underrated one and there's potential there to be a better distributor than I think a lot of people realize.

Soooooo to end my ramble, Paolo is and will be a star....if you guys can get the fans, the coaches, management to hold him accountable on the defensive end, to be bit more like LBJ on that end (don't have to be lockdown but contain anyone) AND get him to work on being a playmaker/better passer. Sky is truly the limit so don't think he still can't become the best player in the draft but gotta to find a way challenge him in new ways to really get the best out of him.

Sorry for the ramble :wave:

oh my.... a Griffin and Simmons love child?!? lol... that would be a legit star! not gonna lie. haha

2nd freshman D1 player ever to average 600pnt, 300 reb, and 100 ast. that's pretty impressive.

Yeah.... when you take a step back... you can see how impressive his skillset could possibly be. We now have another legitimate playmaker from a totally different position, providing tremendous versatility. There will be a point when we will have an offensive engine on the court at all times. Excited for this season to already come!
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Post#309 » by thelead » Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:05 pm

The Simmons comp is ridiculous. Paolo is an playmaker/scorer. Simmons is a playmaker/defender.
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Post#310 » by SOUL » Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:17 pm

thelead wrote:The Simmons comp is ridiculous. Paolo is an playmaker/scorer. Simmons is a playmaker/defender.


I don't think it's meant to be taken as a complete comp. The whole 6'10 playmaking forward thing has legs. Doesn't mean he has SImmons offensive game or defensive skills, but I think he can play with the ball in his hands a lot and make good reads like Simmons.
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Post#311 » by KillMonger » Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:34 pm

listening to a podcast one of them made a good point....coming into the lottery what did we think was going to happen? we were going to get the 4th pick or the 5th/6th pick hoping one of the big 3 falls....we were talking about mathurin and johnny davis....then we up and won the lottery then all of a sudden we started to draw lines in the sand....team jabari.....team chet.....PB is pretty much a dream scenario as far as the magic is concerned especially considering our recent lotto luck
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Post#312 » by VFX » Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:45 pm

I think Blake Griffin in 2018-2019 on Detroit is what I'm expecting Paolo to be as a reasonable comp.
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Post#313 » by Knightro » Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:55 pm

MagicMatic wrote:I think Blake Griffin in 2018-2019 on Detroit is what I'm expecting Paolo to be as a reasonable comp.


Would be a spectacular outcome for the Magic IMO.

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Post#314 » by RookieStar » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:02 pm

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It's confusing in sense that they didn't worked him out.
If they were so high on him why they couldn't find somebody to "tell a message" to his camp that they like him and would like to see him first hand?

Instad, what we did was run around with Jabari Smith and made complete fool out of him.

I get it.
But, I'd think it worse to fall in love with a player based on a 1 v 0 workout.

yeah, happens a lot with NFL. they see combine workouts and fall in love. they forget all the game tape.

a player can come in and have a hot day shooting that day and a team may think they are lights out shooter that suddenly clicked, instead of all the game tape they have. do i thin they should have worked him out? yes. is it the end of the world? no.


Let me add that. Ive read that the KNICKS were supposed to draft one of the bridges but when they had Knox workout and outplay Bridges, they fell in love with him. We know what happened to Knox there.
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Post#315 » by RookieStar » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:05 pm

IllMagic04 wrote:I do kinda feel bad for Jabari. I think he really wanted to be here and he thought we wanted him. He went through a long 2 hour workout and talked to the media. He went all out to impress and we picked a guy who didn't even workout. Im sure he's gonna wanna really stick it to us when we play.

Still very hyped for Paolo. He was number 1 on my board the entire time. Im still stunned we actually picked him

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Post#316 » by I Rasharted » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:05 pm

basketballRob wrote:Randle isn't a good comparison for Paolo. Randle is only 6'7.75" w/o shoes and I'm positive Banchero is 6'10" w/o shoes. Mosley is 6'8" and Paolo was much taller in the press conference.

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Post#317 » by CZ Eddie » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:18 pm

When Paolo and Jonathan are on the floor at the same time, we'll have PB&J.

Andddd I just realized PB's suit last night was the color of Jelly.
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Post#318 » by RookieStar » Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:33 pm

When are we having the official measurements? I wanna know his real height and weight.

Also.. chet's real weight now.
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Post#319 » by Landshark » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:29 pm

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Good to know that they also look at other metrics besides wingspan and defense.
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Post#320 » by Magic4champ » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:36 pm

Match up nightmare, Paolo can shred defenses in the mid post
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