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The Official Paolo Banchero Thread: 2022-2023 NBA Rookie of the Year

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Re: WELCOME PAOLO BANCHERO 

Post#341 » by D12VCMagic » Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:30 am

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nymets1 wrote:I thought we were taking Jabari Smith but the Magic seem Paolo as the best player in this draft. Changes could change during the season but it appears RIGHT NOW that Paolo is on track to be the best player in this draft. I don't want to see anymore of this is Paolo's team, He hasn't played for us yet. This is Jalen Suggs team until next year starts and is proven otherwise.

sorry, Suggs didnt play well enough for it to be his team.


Suggs didn’t play well enough to even be a backup. I get he has talent and people don’t wanna give up on the guy but I think a lot of fans have gotten delusional about Jalen Suggs. He needs to prove he’s actually a quality player before anyone talks about this being his team lmao.
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Post#342 » by fendilim » Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:31 am

nymets1 wrote:I thought we were taking Jabari Smith but the Magic seem Paolo as the best player in this draft. Changes could change during the season but it appears RIGHT NOW that Paolo is on track to be the best player in this draft. I don't want to see anymore of this is Paolo's team, He hasn't played for us yet. This is Jalen Suggs team until next year starts and is proven otherwise.

Why specifically suggs?
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Post#343 » by davey_wavy » Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:33 am

WCJ and Paolo buddy ball incoming

And this isn't Suggs or PBs team......

......it's Andrew DeClercq's team and everyone knows it
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Post#344 » by jonbob17 » Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:40 am

tiderulz wrote:i hope he slims down 10-15 lbs. add a little more quickness


He's a big dude but he's pretty quick already
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Post#345 » by yoyojw17 » Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:50 am

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tiderulz wrote:i hope he slims down 10-15 lbs. add a little more quickness


He's a big dude but he's pretty quick already

Feels like Tide and I might be thinking on the same level. lol

6'10" 235-240 lb ideal tweener type player would make things interesting.

Fultz/franz/PB/JI/WJ would be a physically imposing lineup. lol

On a sidenote... PB might not be as far off defensively as we think.

https://www.nba.com/draft/2022/prospects/paolo-banchero

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• Holding his own as an individual defender allowing 0.54 points per one-on-one possession [89th percentile] last season, Banchero’s combination of size and athleticism stood out at times when containing the ball on the perimeter and challenging shots inside.

• Showing some timing and instincts to make plays on occasion, Banchero still has room to become a more consistent contributor on the defensive end as he remains early in his development as a defensive rebounder and off-ball defender.
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Post#346 » by RookieStar » Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:55 am

If true, that PB is 6'10 1/2, barefoot with 250lbs.. he would seem like a PF/C combo.

However, if he doea loses 10lbs of sqeat after every game due to some Patrick Ewing like tendency and he loses 10lbs of fat as well, can anyone see him.plqy the wing position esp given his skillset?
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Post#347 » by jonbob17 » Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:02 am

yoyojw17 wrote:
jonbob17 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:i hope he slims down 10-15 lbs. add a little more quickness


He's a big dude but he's pretty quick already

Feels like Tide and I might be thinking on the same level. lol

6'10" 235-240 lb ideal tweener type player would make things interesting.

Fultz/franz/PB/JI/WJ would be a physically imposing lineup. lol

On a sidenote... PB might not be as far off defensively as we think.

https://www.nba.com/draft/2022/prospects/paolo-banchero

Defensive Analysis

• Holding his own as an individual defender allowing 0.54 points per one-on-one possession [89th percentile] last season, Banchero’s combination of size and athleticism stood out at times when containing the ball on the perimeter and challenging shots inside.

• Showing some timing and instincts to make plays on occasion, Banchero still has room to become a more consistent contributor on the defensive end as he remains early in his development as a defensive rebounder and off-ball defender.


I mean Paolo will probably add more muscle if anything so the weight might bump up a little. He's more of AD or Blake griffin type frame than a Tatum. I could see him playing next to JI and WCJ...but I'd rather JI guarding the opposing 3..assuming he is still capable. Who cares what position you call JI on offense...put him in the corner if you have to.
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Post#348 » by IllMagic04 » Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:11 am

yoyojw17 wrote:
jonbob17 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:i hope he slims down 10-15 lbs. add a little more quickness


He's a big dude but he's pretty quick already

Feels like Tide and I might be thinking on the same level. lol

6'10" 235-240 lb ideal tweener type player would make things interesting.

Fultz/franz/PB/JI/WJ would be a physically imposing lineup. lol

On a sidenote... PB might not be as far off defensively as we think.

https://www.nba.com/draft/2022/prospects/paolo-banchero

Defensive Analysis

• Holding his own as an individual defender allowing 0.54 points per one-on-one possession [89th percentile] last season, Banchero’s combination of size and athleticism stood out at times when containing the ball on the perimeter and challenging shots inside.

• Showing some timing and instincts to make plays on occasion, Banchero still has room to become a more consistent contributor on the defensive end as he remains early in his development as a defensive rebounder and off-ball defender.
He's not a bad on ball defender at all. He's solid. Off ball is the issue. It will probably be an issue most of his rookie year. I expect teams to run alot of screen and rolls his way too. He'll learn though.

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Post#349 » by basketballRob » Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:19 am

jonbob17 wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:
jonbob17 wrote:
He's a big dude but he's pretty quick already

Feels like Tide and I might be thinking on the same level. lol

6'10" 235-240 lb ideal tweener type player would make things interesting.

Fultz/franz/PB/JI/WJ would be a physically imposing lineup. lol

On a sidenote... PB might not be as far off defensively as we think.

https://www.nba.com/draft/2022/prospects/paolo-banchero

Defensive Analysis

• Holding his own as an individual defender allowing 0.54 points per one-on-one possession [89th percentile] last season, Banchero’s combination of size and athleticism stood out at times when containing the ball on the perimeter and challenging shots inside.

• Showing some timing and instincts to make plays on occasion, Banchero still has room to become a more consistent contributor on the defensive end as he remains early in his development as a defensive rebounder and off-ball defender.


I mean Paolo will probably add more muscle if anything so the weight might bump up a little. He's more of AD or Blake griffin type frame than a Tatum. I could see him playing next to JI and WCJ...but I'd rather JI guarding the opposing 3..assuming he is still capable. Who cares what position you call JI on offense...put him in the corner if you have to.
If he's more of a big we'll eventually have to find a bigger SG to guard big wings. Suggs and Wagner aren't going to be able to guard Tatum and Brown.

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Post#350 » by PrimeThyme » Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:25 am

I've given it 24 hours. I'm still not warmed up to the pick yet.

There's no question that he's a skilled offensive player. The highlights jump out at you, but more times than not, at least for me, the full game leaves an unsatisfied taste in my mouth. Jabari catches a lot of flack for his shot selection, but Paolo has a tendency to take ill-advised shots as well. Especially in late-game situations.

Then there's the defensive side of things, where I worry that a hot/cold motor on that end combined with questionable foot speed will lead to him being a negative defender. I think he and Franz have some overlapping skill sets as well and I think his lack of shooting will put even more pressure on our young guards.

If I had more trust in this front office, I think I'd be fully bought in already but I just don"t. Weltman made a fool of himself in my eyes last night. While other rebuilding teams like Houston/OKC were running clinics, Weltman was giving press conferences ten minutes after the pick was made while the draft was still ongoing. Which I'm sure was news to him. He's more concerned about proving his basketball genius and appearing to run a stealth operation (despite having no serious incentive to) than anything.

Paolo could be great. I certainly think he and his statline will look it at times. But I worry about what type of impact he will actually make at the next level. Time will tell, but now that he's on the team I'm a full supporter.
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Post#351 » by Def Swami » Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:27 am

I think this was the right pick. We needed a 3-level scorer, and that's really hard to find. He's 6'10" with a handle and ability to make plays for himself and others. He has a lot of the qualities that made me like Wagner last year. Having two guys with this kind of size being able to handle and pass is going to be an advantage for us.

I was out on Banchero when the college basketball season ended. But, this article by Dean on the Draft really sold me and made me want to rewatch some of his old games. When I went back, his shot making in March and playmaking really stood out. I encourage anyone on edge to give it a read.
https://deanondraft.com/2022/03/24/where-does-paolo-banchero-fit-in-the-modern-nba-and-2022-draft/

Something about picking Smith #1 never sat right with me. I feel like we were doing too many mental gymnastics trying to imagine him as some Jayson Tatum-like figure, when in reality the closest thing to a wing scorer was actually Banchero. Smith is going to be really good. I have no doubts about it. And as much as he shot the ball from 3 really well, I felt like settling for jumpers was the extent of his ability on offense. There's so much more to being a good offensive player than just shooting. Ball handling, passing, vision, finishing at the rim are important attributes. You can be a knock down shooter, but if you can't do anything else, it's going to get exposed at some point, especially in the playoffs. Maybe Smith develops that at some point, but Banchero does a lot of things at his size that is far harder to find right now.

I do think think the fit on this roster is awkward, but I'm not dodging a player who I think is the best player because they don't fit with my guards who might not even be starting on 90% of the teams in the league. Either two of Fultz, Suggs, Anthony, Hampton get much better at shooting, or Weltman and Hammond are going to have to make some changes. Regardless of who we picked, our back court sucked and needs improvement. I wouldn't be married to any of those young guards until they prove they can play good offensive basketball for a full season.

In terms of how Weltman and Hammond conducted the draft and keeping it a secret, you have to hand it to them. They did an amazing job of holding their cards to their chest. I imagine they tried to drive the Smith message home to punk Houston or OKC into trading up for Smith, and the Magic taking their Banchero at #3 or #2 while picking up another asset. Neither team bit, and the Magic just took their guy at #1. Excellent gamesmanship.
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Post#352 » by CZ Eddie » Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:29 am

FYI, this is nobodies team yet.
It's up for grabs until someone takes the reigns.
The hope is that Paolo will come in and make it his team.
If he does and he deserves it, then the number 1 pick will be a success.
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Post#353 » by CZ Eddie » Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:33 am

I didn't like the secrecy at all.
Not for a number one pick.

But even though it didn't get us any cool trades last night, you can be sure that GM's will feel "safer" coming to us with trade proposals going forward.
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Post#354 » by Nyce_1 » Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:39 am

1. This is Markelle's team. When you see how everyone responds to his presence, you know the truth.
2. WCj took some steps towards ownership of this team last season. 1 more healthy, productive season and it'll be his with Kell.
3. When he takes it, it'll be Paolo's team. Could be year 1, or year 3/4.

4. Paolo's listed weight at Duke was 250lbs. You could see the weight on him. NOW, you can tell he lost a noticeable amount of it. I wouldn't be surprised if his official weight is closer to 235.
5. Since 6'10 250lbs sounds massive, they'll never update his official measurements; leaving the duke weight enact.
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Post#355 » by fateis007 » Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:58 am

Nyce_1 wrote:1. This is Markelle's team. When you see how everyone responds to his presence, you know the truth.
2. WCj took some steps towards ownership of this team last season. 1 more healthy, productive season and it'll be his with Kell.
3. When he takes it, it'll be Paolo's team. Could be year 1, or year 3/4.

4. Paolo's listed weight at Duke was 250lbs. You could see the weight on him. NOW, you can tell he lost a noticeable amount of it. I wouldn't be surprised if his official weight is closer to 235.
5. Since 6'10 250lbs sounds massive, they'll never update his official measurements; leaving the duke weight enact.


Not sure I get the point of 4-5. You're reaching hard now. When you have the genetics and a full time chef, putting on 10-15 lb of muscle for someone like him is a few weeks thing. He is not Chet. And even if he did slim down, isn't that a better problem then what is happening with zion right now?

Frankly I don't see it. He does not look like he lost 15-20 lbs, he still looks huge. Not sure what you're seeing. Look at his legs in any recent photo, they are like tree trunks




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Post#356 » by MagicStarwipe » Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:29 am

The "who's team is this" debate is pretty amusing.
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Post#357 » by fateis007 » Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:32 am

MagicStarwipe wrote:The "who's team is this" debate is pretty amusing.


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Post#358 » by fendilim » Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:33 am

I honestly dont see him playing center lol

Wcj had that job last year, and I expect him to do it again this yeae
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Post#359 » by nicnac215 » Sat Jun 25, 2022 5:04 am

I think we play with no true center. WCJ, JI and Bamba are perfect fit for Paolo.

WCJ is developing into a 4 but he can set picks and bang with big guys like Embiid on defense. JI is a 4. He can guard the perimeter very well, and while he doesn’t bang down low he is one of the best help defenders in the league. He can shut anyone down for a possession. Bamba plays like a 4 too. He has insane rim protection skills but don’t ask him to set any picks.

Paolo will best fit with WCJ. Pick and roll with those two will be a difficult cover. Bamba and JI fit well because they can just sit in the corner and shoot 3s.

Overall 60% of our roster is set and looks like it can develop into championship aspirations. Lets see if our guard play won’t hold us back.
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Post#360 » by RookieStar » Sat Jun 25, 2022 5:17 am

Well, if the NBA still has that rule which all teams are required to submit an accurate height and weight measurements ( like how we fpund outnthat cade is really just 6'6) then we will.know soon.

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