Offseason Plan

[80sballboy]

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[Wiz99]

Off-season plan?

Can we pool our bucks to buy a really high quality hit man to knock off Ted in some completely untraceable way?

[pcbothwel]

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Kris Dunn is REALLY interesting as a defensive specialist in the mold of GPII
Same draft year, height, length, Scoring efficiency, AST:TOV ratio, STL/100, BLK/100, and foul rate as GPII coming into this year.

I think Dunn was drafted too high and put into a playmaking/PG role when he should of been Tony Allen or GPII. His best year a couple years ago with the Bulls was his lowest usage and AST% year of his career and just played D.

If you can get a guy like that on the Vet Min as a deep bench defensive specialist, you do it in heartbeat.

[ChettheJet]

The draft is over and the Wizards still need a point guard. I see several options:

1. Sign Tyus Jones. We can offer the MLE and a starting job. Can Memphis convince him to stay?

2. Trade Kuzma and filler for Lonzo Ball. This is currently my favorite trade scenario. Chicago has Ball, Caruso, Coby White, Ayo Dosunmu and Dalen Terry in their backcourt. And Derozan already does a lot of ball handling. Do they really want Ball at $20M a year when they have to pay Lavine near max money this summer? Wouldn't they prefer more frontcourt depth in Kuzma at a much lower salary? (The filler would just be a small contract, probably Todd.) The main drawback is Ball's salary. But that's only a drawback because the team is foolishly willing to make Beal the 7th highest paid player in the NBA.

3. Trade Rui + KCP for Brodgon. I think this is the price that both sides might agree too. I'm not in love with adding a 30-year old, and I also question whether Ted will part with Rui. But the trade would definitely improve the team in the short term.

4. Sign a lower tier free agent. If Jones is unavailable, the next tier of guys include Rubio, Delon Wright and Eric Bledsoe.

I was looking around to see what people thought the Wiz depth chart was going to look like and who was considered expendable. You certainly have an abundance of front court players, with sizeable or long contracts, positions of need for the Bulls. And you've got the Beal issue.


So you know, the Bulls could use Kuzma to cover the 3 ad 4 behind DeRozan and Williams, any combination looks good. Borderline insanity to think they would trade Lonzo for him. The Bulls aren't desperate to cut salary they'll go to the tax in signing Zach. At the break last season with Ball and Caruso healthy but Patrick Williams out all year the Bulls had the best record in the east. Ball was their second leading rebounder,hit his highest 3pt% of his career 42%. After he got hurt and Caruso missed 27 games after his Grayson Allen cheap shot they dropped to 6th in the east.

White started the 20-21 season as a 2nd yer player at PG. He proved he might be a combo guard. Dosunmu played PG at Illinois but he needs decision making work. Caruso just isn't the 32 minute a game guy on the offensive end. Ball was the first FA they signed last year because he was the PG piece they were desperate to get. Lonzo brings the team together on both ends of the floor, he takes the other team's best scorer so Lavine doesn't have to, at 6-7 he can switch onto forwards if it goes that way.

The thing about Kuzma is that you guys were in the lottery and he put up good numbers. When he was with the Lakers and they had lousy records he put of his best numbers, When they got the big stars his stats and playing time went way down. It's kind of an unknown what he can do as a contributing part of a winning team when he can't freelance because losing works out better in the lottery.

So yeah the Bulls would like to take Kuzma off your hands and thin out your glut but come on

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[Godymas]

I like Tyus Jones a lot, he was really underrated for Memphis, played crucial minutes.

However it really is annoying how we are trying to make backup guys into starters. Not saying Tyus Jones can't do it, but basically this is what happened with Dinwiddie and it completely fell flat.

Now I don't mind if we get Tyus Jones if we also get a guy like Schroeder too. That way the load is split with some depth and we have basically two guys that will have something to prove. The market for Guards this off season doesn't seem too good though so then it becomes a question of who could possibly be traded for.

Terry Rozier is into trade rumors but I don't know if we have anything Charlotte wants other than maybe some guys that could be a potential back-up center.

Malcolm Brogdon I know has been discussed, he'd be ok but his injury concerns are a problem.

Another interesting one would be if Minnesota wants to give up on DLo and trade his expiring. It would require KCP + Kuzma + Ish Smith probably to make the money work.

[nate33]

I like Tyus Jones a lot, he was really underrated for Memphis, played crucial minutes.

However it really is annoying how we are trying to make backup guys into starters. Not saying Tyus Jones can't do it, but basically this is what happened with Dinwiddie and it completely fell flat.

Now I don't mind if we get Tyus Jones if we also get a guy like Schroeder too. That way the load is split with some depth and we have basically two guys that will have something to prove. The market for Guards this off season doesn't seem too good though so then it becomes a question of who could possibly be traded for.

Terry Rozier is into trade rumors but I don't know if we have anything Charlotte wants other than maybe some guys that could be a potential back-up center.

Malcolm Brogdon I know has been discussed, he'd be ok but his injury concerns are a problem.

Another interesting one would be if Minnesota wants to give up on DLo and trade his expiring. It would require KCP + Kuzma + Ish Smith probably to make the money work.

Tyus Jones played 23 games as a starter last year. He averaged 15.1 points, 7.9 assist, 3.8 rebounds and an unbelievable 1.2 turnovers per 36 minutes during that stretch. His TS% was a mediocre .540, but his ORtg was an outstanding 124 thanks to the insanely low turnover rate. His team went 19-4 in those 23 games.

This is way better than anything Schroeder posted anytime during his career. Schroeder is an inefficient gunner (career TS% of .528) who doesn't take care of the ball nearly well enough to play PG (A/TO ratio of just 2.0). And Schroeder is a sieve defensively.

You have to appreciate the value of an extremely low turnover rate. It's why Phoenix wins so many games with Chris Paul at the helm and why Memphis won with Tyus Jones. Limiting turnovers not only improves your offensive efficiency, but it takes away high efficiency fast break opportunities from the opposition.

[Godymas]

I like Tyus Jones a lot, he was really underrated for Memphis, played crucial minutes.

However it really is annoying how we are trying to make backup guys into starters. Not saying Tyus Jones can't do it, but basically this is what happened with Dinwiddie and it completely fell flat.

Now I don't mind if we get Tyus Jones if we also get a guy like Schroeder too. That way the load is split with some depth and we have basically two guys that will have something to prove. The market for Guards this off season doesn't seem too good though so then it becomes a question of who could possibly be traded for.

Terry Rozier is into trade rumors but I don't know if we have anything Charlotte wants other than maybe some guys that could be a potential back-up center.

Malcolm Brogdon I know has been discussed, he'd be ok but his injury concerns are a problem.

Another interesting one would be if Minnesota wants to give up on DLo and trade his expiring. It would require KCP + Kuzma + Ish Smith probably to make the money work.

Tyus Jones played 23 games as a starter last year. He averaged 15.1 points, 7.9 assist, 3.8 rebounds and an unbelievable 1.2 turnovers per 36 minutes during that stretch. His TS% was a mediocre .540, but his ORtg was an outstanding 124 thanks to the insanely low turnover rate. His team went 19-4 in those 23 games.

This is way better than anything Schroeder posted anytime during his career. Schroeder is an inefficient gunner (career TS% of .528) who doesn't take care of the ball nearly well enough to play PG (A/TO ratio of just 2.0). And Schroeder is a sieve defensively.

You have to appreciate the value of an extremely low turnover rate. It's why Phoenix wins so many games with Chris Paul at the helm and why Memphis won with Tyus Jones. Limiting turnovers not only improves your offensive efficiency, but it takes away high efficiency fast break opportunities from the opposition.

You bring up some fair points, but obviously Tyus Jones is also working with a unique sample size. That was also a period where Memphis was playing exceptional basketball when Ja Morant was injured and they went on that big run. It's the kind of outlier stat that flipped the narrative on Ja Morant even though basically everyone knew Ja was good and a big reason for why Memphis was good last year. There are alarming things and you do mention it. The big one is the poor efficiency Tyus has. Dinwiddie was the same way for Brooklyn (although he had much more inefficient seasons). The difference is Dinwiddie was scoring on volume, Tyus has never been that big volume guy outside of a small sample size.

It seems like a bigger leap for Jones to make compared to Dinwiddie who had spent years playing significant minutes for Brooklyn, had been put under a heavier load, etc. Jones has always had a smaller role. Now the point you mention about his assists is a great plus, Jones is a better playmaker than Dinwiddie was, but that's why I mention also bringing on Schroeder. Schroeder has been more of a score first PG will help carry the load on offense where Jones will be more likely to fall flat. Basically you have Jones to play with Beal and be a playmaker for the team, but if the offense falls flat Jones is less likely to be able to deliver compared to what Dinwiddie did briefly and what Schroeder could provide.

Really you shouldn't buy too much into per 36 stats though and use them as a basis because they don't always reflect reality. It's been proven that players perform differently with higher volume. Like, for example, Tobias Harris was almost 50-40-90 in 2021 with Philly. That doesn't mean Tobias Harris can ever do what Curry does, he could never consistently shoot above 40% from 3 on the same volume. Volume really matters in the league and if the numbers aren't eye popping at low volume there is no indication of consistency at a higher volume.

Also having a 2 assists to 1 TO ratio is not a bad ratio at all, once again Schroeder has proven to be able to play significant minutes and have larger roles for an extended season. Jones has never been put into a big role for a full season once in his career. Jones could very well suffer from scalability issues or he could turn into a stud, but it's definitely better to have Jones and another guy with a different skillset to slot at the one and Schroeder sticks out as that kind of yin to the yang. Both of them would be better options than moving forward with guys like Ish Smith/Neto/Sato though.

[nate33]

Per 36 numbers are very useful as a comparative metric. Most guys post the same per minute numbers at 20 minutes as they do at 30 minutes. Fatigue only becomes a factor above 32 or so, but nobody except superstars play anywhere close to 36 minutes anyhow.

And I fail to see why Jones' starter's numbers should be considered an outlier when they are consistent with his numbers as a backup.

And a 2:1 A/TO ratio is terrible for a PG - particularly when you are not talking about a high-scoring combo guard like Ja or Lillard. Any "game manager" type of PG better have an A:TO ratio in the neighborhood of 3:1. Tyus Jones A:TO ratio's over the past few seasons are literally some of the best numbers of all time.

[payitforward]

Schroeder is a terrible player. He's never had a season in which he posted anywhere near average numbers for a PG. It's senseless to compare him to Tyus Jones or, really, anyone else we'd be likely to consider at this point. He doesn't make it onto the list of players worth comparing with anyone.

Oh, & no he's not an upgrade over Ish Smith. What would make you think he was?

As to Tyus Jones, the problem in acquiring him is the usual Wizards problem: first you wait until a guy shows how good he is, so that he's going to get paid, & then you try to acquire him.

The best this strategy can produce is an average team. That's the upper limit. The reasons ought to be obvious: you're buying talent at market value.

[payitforward]

From all that this team has done since the season ended, I conclude that there is no offseason plan. The FO has no concrete goals, so there can be no strategy to achieve those goals.

The Washington Wizards are not an uphill path. We're not a team that is getting better, improving year by year.

Instead, we are a team that is still trying to recover from a decade+ of disastrous leadership. The guy who owns the team seems to be in the way of that recovery, & the current GM doesn't have the standing with that owner to stop him from blocking the path forward.

Both of these facts are understandable. In particular, it's easy to see why Tommy Sheppard -- having been promoted from within -- doesn't have effective power vis a vis Leonsis.

Things aren't going to get better any time soon.

[9 and 20]

From all that this team has done since the season ended, I conclude that there is no offseason plan. The FO has no concrete goals, so there can be no strategy to achieve those goals.

The Washington Wizards are not an uphill path. We're not a team that is getting better, improving year by year.

Instead, we are a team that is still trying to recover from a decade+ of disastrous leadership. The guy who owns the team seems to be in the way of that recovery, & the current GM doesn't have the standing with that owner to stop him from blocking the path forward.

Both of these facts are understandable. In particular, it's easy to see why Tommy Sheppard -- having been promoted from within -- doesn't have effective power vis a vis Leonsis.

Things aren't going to get better any time soon.

Tommy will get partial credit if he trades Kuz and KCP on the last years of their deals. Full credit if he also gets Beal out of here.

He gets a full on F if we go into the season with maxed out Beal, Johnny Davis, and an MLE point guard. Might convince me to bump that to a D-.

[closg00]

WUJR big off-season move was purchasing a $3.7M Potomac home, I guess he feels pretty-good about job Security.

[NatP4]

I would love Tyus Jones on the full MLE. I think he has another level he can get to in his prime, but if he doesn’t, still well worth MLE money.

Another high level competitor. Can play him at the 1 and Davis&Beal at the 2/3.

Jones Davis
Beal Kispert
KCP Avdija
Rui Kuzma
Porzingis Gafford

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I like Tyus Jones a lot, he was really underrated for Memphis, played crucial minutes.

However it really is annoying how we are trying to make backup guys into starters. Not saying Tyus Jones can't do it, but basically this is what happened with Dinwiddie and it completely fell flat.

Now I don't mind if we get Tyus Jones if we also get a guy like Schroeder too. That way the load is split with some depth and we have basically two guys that will have something to prove. The market for Guards this off season doesn't seem too good though so then it becomes a question of who could possibly be traded for.

Terry Rozier is into trade rumors but I don't know if we have anything Charlotte wants other than maybe some guys that could be a potential back-up center.

Malcolm Brogdon I know has been discussed, he'd be ok but his injury concerns are a problem.

Another interesting one would be if Minnesota wants to give up on DLo and trade his expiring. It would require KCP + Kuzma + Ish Smith probably to make the money work.

Tyus Jones played 23 games as a starter last year. He averaged 15.1 points, 7.9 assist, 3.8 rebounds and an unbelievable 1.2 turnovers per 36 minutes during that stretch. His TS% was a mediocre .540, but his ORtg was an outstanding 124 thanks to the insanely low turnover rate. His team went 19-4 in those 23 games.

This is way better than anything Schroeder posted anytime during his career. Schroeder is an inefficient gunner (career TS% of .528) who doesn't take care of the ball nearly well enough to play PG (A/TO ratio of just 2.0). And Schroeder is a sieve defensively.

You have to appreciate the value of an extremely low turnover rate. It's why Phoenix wins so many games with Chris Paul at the helm and why Memphis won with Tyus Jones. Limiting turnovers not only improves your offensive efficiency, but it takes away high efficiency fast break opportunities from the opposition.

I really like Tyus Jones. I've thought he should be our target this off-season all along. I think we have a chance to entice him with the full MLE plus more importantly the opportunity to start. Memphis just drafted Kennedy Chandler to replace him as Ja's backup.

I think a Tyus Jones & Johnny Davis rotation at point would be solid.

[DCZards]

I would love Tyus Jones on the full MLE. I think he has another level he can get to in his prime, but if he doesn’t, still well worth MLE money.

Another high level competitor. Can play him at the 1 and Davis&Beal at the 2/3.

Jones Davis
Beal Kispert
KCP Avdija
Rui Kuzma
Porzingis Gafford

At this point I see Davis as more of a backup SG with the ability to play some minutes at SF.

I don’t think he has the playmaking and ball handling chops (at least right now) to be the primary backup at PG.

[NatP4]

I would love Tyus Jones on the full MLE. I think he has another level he can get to in his prime, but if he doesn’t, still well worth MLE money.

Another high level competitor. Can play him at the 1 and Davis&Beal at the 2/3.

Jones Davis
Beal Kispert
KCP Avdija
Rui Kuzma
Porzingis Gafford

At this point I see Davis as more of a backup SG with the ability to play some minutes at SF.

I don’t think he has the playmaking and ball handling chops (at least right now) to be the primary backup at PG.

I don’t think it matters too much. His role will probably to come in and bring energy and play hard on defense and be a combo guard primary/secondary offensive option. He’s going to handle the ball a ton in the pick and roll.

Maybe they do sign Jones and another vet min backup PG so Davis doesn’t have to bring the ball up the court. Something like this:

Jones (Vet min PG)
Beal Davis
Kispert Avdija
Rui Kuzma
Porzingis Gafford

[nate33]

I don’t think it matters too much. His role will probably to come in and bring energy and play hard on defense and be a combo guard primary/secondary offensive option. He’s going to handle the ball a ton in the pick and roll.

Maybe they do sign Jones and another vet min backup PG so Davis doesn’t have to bring the ball up the court. Something like this:

Jones (Vet min PG)
Beal Davis
Kispert Avdija
Rui Kuzma
Porzingis Gafford

We may already have that vet min backup PG in Dunn.

[NatP4]

I don’t hate the idea of Dunn at all. In his last full season he was becoming a really good player. I haven’t followed him the last couple of years? Why hasn’t he played at all?

[NatP4]

I remember advocating for a Dunn signing after the 2019-2020 season. He averaged 10.6 points 5.3 rebounds 4.9 assists 2.9 steals with only 1.9 turnovers on 51% TS. That was while playing about 25 minutes a game and over 1200 minutes on the year. Raptor had him at a +2.5, good for the 18th ranked player in the East. I peaked at the on/off numbers for the Bulls that year and it looks like he actually ranked 1st overall on the team for guys that played atleast 1000 minutes. Everyone knows he atleast brings elite defense. Seems like the shooting eventually comes around with those guys later in their careers, and they become actual two way players. Still just turned 28.

Again, no idea what has happened in the last couple of years, haven’t followed, but before that, he was seemingly becoming a really good player. You could do a lot worse for a vet min 3rd string guard.