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Post#361 » by FrightCoward » Sat Jun 25, 2022 1:20 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:EJ Liddell is a second round pick making the following play on #1 overall pick Banchero

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What does that prove about Banchero’s potential at the next level? Lol. A player that got drafted into the NBA made a really good play, but it doesn’t change anything at all. Banchero still has sublime footwork in the post. He’s going to be a really good offensive NBA player, the only question is his defense.
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Post#362 » by Audi » Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:12 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:EJ Liddell is a second round pick making the following play on #1 overall pick Banchero

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Post#363 » by whitehops » Sat Jun 25, 2022 2:19 pm

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whitehops wrote:players like al horford are 6'9 with a 7'1 wingspan and are terrific defenders, i don't see why banchero is dismissed so quickly as potentially being a good (or better) defender given his ball IQ and court vision.

Because it's not just about measurements. Horford from the moment he stepped onto the court in college was a high-level rim protector and good rebounder. Banchero hasn't shown that at all in college. That doesn't mean he definitely cannot become a decent or even good defender in time, but let's not just look at measurements to determine upside. Very few bigs who haven't shown much defense in college end up being anything special on that end in the NBA.


he might not be the rim protector al horford is but he can still play quality positional and team defense. and al horford played beside joakim noah at florida but has been a center in the nba. paolo is essentially a big wing, he's not a big so he won't be relied on to anchor a defense.

i guess PJ tucker is a better example to show that measurables don't disqualify you from being a good defender.
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Post#364 » by Duke4life831 » Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:39 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:I had Paolo over Jabari but sorry y'all just arent making good arguments for Paolo here. Clyde brings up the defensive question marks, which are legit. And its not like Clyde said it really all that negatively either. Quoting him,

"if Paolo develops as a guy who can legitimately scale as a 5 in some matchups and in high leverage games, if that happens then the Magic are cookin with grease"

That isnt even a controversial statement in anyway. Ya if Paolo wants to become an elite player and live up to the #1 expectations, he's going to have to show some defensive growth and versatility. Here is KAT's numbers over the last 4 years.

25/11/4 on 51/40/83 shooting on 63 TS%. That is elite efficient offense from a big. The Wolves have basically not improved at all with KAT as their main guy because the issues KAT brings on the defensive end.

Its much easier to hide a bad defensive guard than it is to hide a bad defensive big. Bigs have more responsibilities on the defensive end than guards do. And even then, Luka still gets grilled constantly (especially in the playoffs) because of his defense.

To me Paolo basically has 2 question marks about him.

1. Can he tighten up the jump shot form so it doesnt become so inconsistent out beyond the arc. He has good form and good touch 18ft and in. The form just gets a little inconsistent which leads to inconsistent results from 3. I think if he tightens up the form, he will be a solid 36%+ 3pt shooter and that is plenty good enough to really become a complete offensive player.

2. Paolo was actually a good 1 on 1 defender in college, so that isnt his big question mark. Its more can he have better off ball awareness, better rotation and just overall better team defender. He needs to get that down. And if he can do that, with his size, that should mean he should be able to play minutes as a small ball 5. But if he doesnt improve his defensive awareness and rotations, there is no way you can have him playing minutes at the 5. If that is the case, that severely limits his potential.

Just saying Luka and Curry are elite players is just a bad lazy argument. They play completely different positions, Curry isnt a massive liability as a team defender (Paolo is at the moment), and Luka's defensive issues are easier to hide because he is a guard and his defensive issues still get brought up constantly when the playoffs come around. Plus those two are all time great offensive players, I wouldnt count on Paolo becoming an all time great offensive player.
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Oh ya to be clear, I think Paolo has the size and athletic ability to become at minimum a solid defender. And I think he landed in a great spot for him. I think pairing him next to WCJ is a great fit on both sides of the ball. So ya I love the fit. And if Paolo puts in the effort and wants to become a good defender, he can.
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Post#365 » by Duke4life831 » Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:42 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:EJ Liddell is a second round pick making the following play on #1 overall pick Banchero

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I don't get this. A very good college defender who most had as a 1st round pick blocked Paolo once. And??? You do know you can find a play where a "scrub" player did something good against a great player (dunk on them, block them, pick their pocket and so on). Again wow Paolo got blocked by a Big Ten all defense guy who just got drafted. Oh the embarrassment...
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Post#366 » by DroseReturnChi » Sat Jun 25, 2022 3:55 pm

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SelfishPlayer wrote:EJ Liddell is a second round pick making the following play on #1 overall pick Banchero

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What does that prove about Banchero’s potential at the next level? Lol. A player that got drafted into the NBA made a really good play, but it doesn’t change anything at all. Banchero still has sublime footwork in the post. He’s going to be a really good offensive NBA player, the only question is his defense.



banchero is closer to randle. people will think he is next bagley very soon. magic made one of the worst choice possible. a top prospect that cant play defenseand get shot blocked by a nobody? i would be wary of picking duke products that high.
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Post#367 » by FrightCoward » Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:27 pm

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FrightCoward wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:EJ Liddell is a second round pick making the following play on #1 overall pick Banchero

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What does that prove about Banchero’s potential at the next level? Lol. A player that got drafted into the NBA made a really good play, but it doesn’t change anything at all. Banchero still has sublime footwork in the post. He’s going to be a really good offensive NBA player, the only question is his defense.



banchero is closer to randle. people will think he is next bagley very soon. magic made one of the worst choice possible. a top prospect that cant play defenseand get shot blocked by a nobody? i would be wary of picking duke products that high.


LeBron James got blocked by Mario Hezonja, lol. If you made it to the NBA, you’re better than 99.9% of anyone who has ever played the game, and even scrubs can play. Banchero is going to be special offensively, of that I have no doubt. It’s just about his defense, but he has the ability to be effective on that end if he wants to be.
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Post#368 » by CZ Eddie » Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:48 pm

FrightCoward wrote:LeBron James got blocked by Mario Hezonja, lol.

Oh wow, it's true :lol:
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Post#369 » by Duke4life831 » Sat Jun 25, 2022 5:16 pm

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FrightCoward wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:EJ Liddell is a second round pick making the following play on #1 overall pick Banchero

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What does that prove about Banchero’s potential at the next level? Lol. A player that got drafted into the NBA made a really good play, but it doesn’t change anything at all. Banchero still has sublime footwork in the post. He’s going to be a really good offensive NBA player, the only question is his defense.



banchero is closer to randle. people will think he is next bagley very soon. magic made one of the worst choice possible. a top prospect that cant play defenseand get shot blocked by a nobody? i would be wary of picking duke products that high.


Honest question, was green font forgotten with this post?

Got his shot blocked by a nobody? EJ Liddell was an All American this past year, 1st team Big Ten, Big Ten All Defense team and the vast majority of mock drafts prior to the draft had him somewhere between 18-25. So ya either this was missing the green font or there is a lack of basic college basketball knowledge being shown.

Then the Duke thing is just dumb. Duke players recently taken in the top 5

Zion: 1 all star already and had a 27/7/3 season on 65 TS%
RJ: Averaged 20/6/3 last year
Tatum: 3x All Star, 2x All NBA (1 1st team), ECF MVP and he just turned 24
Ingram: All Star, can pencil him for 23/5/5 over the last 3 seasons.

So since 2016, Bagley is really the only Duke guy taken in the top 3 that has looked like a bad pick.
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Re: Paolo Banchero 

Post#370 » by CptCrunch » Sat Jun 25, 2022 6:35 pm

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DroseReturnChi wrote:
FrightCoward wrote:
What does that prove about Banchero’s potential at the next level? Lol. A player that got drafted into the NBA made a really good play, but it doesn’t change anything at all. Banchero still has sublime footwork in the post. He’s going to be a really good offensive NBA player, the only question is his defense.



banchero is closer to randle. people will think he is next bagley very soon. magic made one of the worst choice possible. a top prospect that cant play defenseand get shot blocked by a nobody? i would be wary of picking duke products that high.


Honest question, was green font forgotten with this post?

Got his shot blocked by a nobody? EJ Liddell was an All American this past year, 1st team Big Ten, Big Ten All Defense team and the vast majority of mock drafts prior to the draft had him somewhere between 18-25. So ya either this was missing the green font or there is a lack of basic college basketball knowledge being shown.

Then the Duke thing is just dumb. Duke players recently taken in the top 5

Zion: 1 all star already and had a 27/7/3 season on 65 TS%
RJ: Averaged 20/6/3 last year
Tatum: 3x All Star, 2x All NBA (1 1st team), ECF MVP and he just turned 24
Ingram: All Star, can pencil him for 23/5/5 over the last 3 seasons.

So since 2016, Bagley is really the only Duke guy taken in the top 3 that has looked like a bad pick.


Anyone who denigrates a prospect based on the college of choice is frankly incapable of judging prospects objectively and unworthy of a response.
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Re: Paolo Banchero 

Post#371 » by SelfishPlayer » Sat Jun 25, 2022 7:12 pm

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DroseReturnChi wrote:
FrightCoward wrote:
What does that prove about Banchero’s potential at the next level? Lol. A player that got drafted into the NBA made a really good play, but it doesn’t change anything at all. Banchero still has sublime footwork in the post. He’s going to be a really good offensive NBA player, the only question is his defense.



banchero is closer to randle. people will think he is next bagley very soon. magic made one of the worst choice possible. a top prospect that cant play defenseand get shot blocked by a nobody? i would be wary of picking duke products that high.


LeBron James got blocked by Mario Hezonja, lol. If you made it to the NBA, you’re better than 99.9% of anyone who has ever played the game, and even scrubs can play. Banchero is going to be special offensively, of that I have no doubt. It’s just about his defense, but he has the ability to be effective on that end if he wants to be.


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Re: Paolo Banchero 

Post#372 » by clyde21 » Sat Jun 25, 2022 7:13 pm

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clyde21 wrote:and im not comping him to Julius Randle as a dig, Randle averaged 24/10/6 two years ago and was All-NBA, so yea. it's more a question of upside and ceiling and PO scalability.
Randle is 6'7.75" w/o shoes and Banchero is reportedly 6'10.5" w/o shoes. When Paolo was side by side with Jabari he looked a good two inches bigger than him. He must've had a little growth spurt last season.

I also didn't like Randle's motor after receiving that big contract. Just based on Paolo's performance in the Tournament he seems to have a stronger will.

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i agree i like Paolo's general mentality better than Randle's, and his developmental curve is definitely faster, but the archetype projection is still there until Paolo proves he can scale defensively as a 5. not saying he can't or won't, but that's my biggest question mark.
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Re: Paolo Banchero 

Post#373 » by SelfishPlayer » Sat Jun 25, 2022 7:17 pm

Audi wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:EJ Liddell is a second round pick making the following play on #1 overall pick Banchero

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#5th overall pick on an NBA stage vs #1 overall pick.

#1 overall pick on a college stage vs a second rounder. Two totally different levels of basketball and expectations. Liddell is also at a huge overall size/length disadvantage while Hezonja isn't.
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Post#374 » by Audi » Sat Jun 25, 2022 7:34 pm

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Audi wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:EJ Liddell is a second round pick making the following play on #1 overall pick Banchero

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“Lebron is trash, breh.”
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#5th overall pick on an NBA stage vs #1 overall pick.

#1 overall pick on a college stage vs a second rounder. Two totally different levels of basketball and expectations. Liddell is also at a huge overall size/length disadvantage while Hezonja isn't.


Hezonja busted out of the league and could never adapt (I know because my team drafted him) and Lebron is an all time great who will play till he falls apart. Two totally different levels of basketball. Point being, mediocre players can make good plays on even great players - it doesn’t actually mean a thing. What point were you even trying to make?
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Post#375 » by NO-KG-AI » Sat Jun 25, 2022 7:49 pm

Y’all are arguing with two trolls who are just trying to get a rise lol.
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Post#376 » by RookieStar » Sat Jun 25, 2022 8:25 pm

You know, I once saw 5'9 Nate Robinson block that 7'6 #1 dude Yao Ming... what a scrub eh? I mean that's like totally out of proportion measurable.
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Post#377 » by Big J » Sat Jun 25, 2022 8:29 pm

If there’s no reason to think Paolo won’t progress defensively then we need to normalize thinking that will be the likely outcome.
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Post#378 » by SOUL » Sat Jun 25, 2022 8:50 pm

DroseReturnChi would be all first-team troll in the NBA. How he can never get banned is a testament to his skill. :lol:
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Post#379 » by clyde21 » Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:08 pm

SOUL wrote:DroseReturnChi would be all first-team troll in the NBA. How he can never get banned is a testament to his skill. :lol:


i have been banned 12 times, how that dude is still allowed anywhere is absolutely incredible. i need to take notes.
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Post#380 » by SelfishPlayer » Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:29 pm

Audi wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
Audi wrote:
“Lebron is trash, breh.”
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#5th overall pick on an NBA stage vs #1 overall pick.

#1 overall pick on a college stage vs a second rounder. Two totally different levels of basketball and expectations. Liddell is also at a huge overall size/length disadvantage while Hezonja isn't.


Hezonja busted out of the league and could never adapt (I know because my team drafted him) and Lebron is an all time great who will play till he falls apart. Two totally different levels of basketball. Point being, mediocre players can make good plays on even great players - it doesn’t actually mean a thing. What point were you even trying to make?


He was drafted #5 overall for a reason, because he has the talent to make that play.
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