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2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV 

Post#101 » by NavLDO » Thu Feb 6, 2025 5:13 pm

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That Booker trade is the worst trade i have ever seen in my life...in any capacity. Both on NBA forums and in NFL forums as well. Worst in my life...and I'm over 40 years old.

Worst.


Sooooo congratulations by you I guess.....

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Yeah, it looks bad it looks on paper for that singular trade (and BTW, I did mention we should get some picks back...I just didn't specify them, is all), but when combined with the Durant trade, it would still leave us with some flexibility toward the future, with still having plenty of offense, and oh...some size and rebounding, as well, so...and still leaves us with

Jones (back to playing pg the way he was meant to play it)
Beal (21ppg)
Mathurin (16ppg)
Siakam (20ppg/7reb)
Turner (15ppg/7reb)

and still having the threat of Allen with some scoring from 3, and Royce/Toppin coming in relief, and some development ahead for Mathurin, Jarace Walker, Dunn, and Oso...

So yeah, if you look at that trade in a vacuum, it looks bad, but again, your not looking at the accompanying trade, which gets us back to having our oldest players being Beal and Royce (after dumping Lee) at 31YO, some actual draft picks in the future, and some decent talent to develop already on the roster. And oh yeah, having all of of eggs in the basket of whether BOTH Booker and Durant have a decent game, deciding whether we win or not.


Pacers don't have any 1sts they can trade till 2027. Only seconds. So that's done.

You traded Booker for 3 PFs and 2Cs so none of them can play together at the same time. Then turned around and traded Durant for Siakam. You didn't even manage to get Haliburton for either!! Lol what a disaster.

Forget the fact that we essentially traded rosters with the Pacers-who are barely 4 seeds in the weaker East. You also didn't make them take Nurk who is our worst contract.

Congrats again. If we did this then Dallas and their GM is off the hook for the Luka trade. This would be an even worst monstrosity.


We can only trade 1 player per trade...there aren't enough Pacer players to conduct 3 trades. This would assume a separate trade with a different team to dump Nurkic. The point of this post, was to how to drop Booker and Durant, while bringing in young talent at positions we are consistently bereft in.

And yeah, sure, I could have offered Booker for Haliburton, and another player, but that's not likely a move they would make. But if we want to live in 'pretend world', then sure, let's switch the Booker trade to Haliburton and Jarace Walker. There you go...fixed...

But back to the original trade I listed, we'd dump Jackson, and Jarace is a hybrid 3/4, so it's a bit different than what you are portraying of that trade.

We didn't trade rosters; we traded 2 players for, essentially, 6 of theirs...but yes, we did trade to a team with a solid roster, built both for today, and the future. Funny how you discount the #4 team in the East, like we are some 'amazing' team, struggling at .500 fighting for maybe, a play-in. A team with a supposed 'Big 3'...we sure do look good on paper...woohoo!!
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV 

Post#102 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Feb 6, 2025 5:15 pm

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV 

Post#103 » by enigmatics » Thu Feb 6, 2025 5:17 pm

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schnakenpopanz wrote:There is no shame in admitting "it did not work, we tried and failed". It is rather disappointing to prolong the inevitable.


It's just frustrating to look back and see we had:

Paul
Booker
Bridges
Crowder
Ayton

With Cam Johnson showing some real promise, and our future picks intact...

...yet just because we took the Mavs to 7 games, and lost, everything that followed, all the decisions made, did nothing but snowball into the mess we have today...it's just depressing...

How the heck did 'we' ever think that trading our picks away, with Bridges and Johnson, for the 'honor' of bringing Durant in...

Then essentially swapping out Ayton for Nurkic, and dumping CP3...

Nothing since then has moved us forward; we've just regressed--gotten older, worse, and with less flexibility for the foreseeable
future, yet the Lakers somehow pull off a total coup by grabbing Doncic for pennies on the dollar.

Yep, I long for those day again...


Those days were nothing without a healthy CP3.

That being said it's wild to me how some easily forget how injured the entire WC was during that run thru the conference then got backdoor swept by the Bucks in the Finals.

Everyone kept babbling in media how the Suns were expected to be back - but it was so short sighted. Suns were always dancing a fine line with CP3's age and the team showed they weren't those guys when they got historically ravaged by the Mavs in that Game 7.

I don't fault the FO for trying to upgrade from that treadmill team and getting somebody with some pedigree next to Book. It just didn't work and neither would have that nucleus people like to romantically recall.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV 

Post#104 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Feb 6, 2025 5:19 pm

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV 

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV 

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV 

Post#107 » by Phnxsports » Thu Feb 6, 2025 5:39 pm

I would love a Nurkic to Pistons for Isaiah Stewart package of some kind. I get it Stewart has a lot of limitations but this team needs a thug. LOL
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV 

Post#108 » by BobbieL » Thu Feb 6, 2025 5:40 pm

RaisingArizona wrote:If what Gambo is reporting that it was Jimmy B Kuminga plus picks and he didn't do it because KD didn't want to -- he needs to go right this second. So tired of having an incompetent GM in charge


If Durant doesn't report - how would that affect the trade

Granted, I am not sure Butler, Kuminga helps the Suns - unless the picks were great

Because same issue - if you extend Butler, you are still capped out above the second apron

The Suns know what they need to do - -do they have the balls to do it
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV 

Post#109 » by Slim Charless » Thu Feb 6, 2025 5:46 pm

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Yeah, it looks bad it looks on paper for that singular trade (and BTW, I did mention we should get some picks back...I just didn't specify them, is all), but when combined with the Durant trade, it would still leave us with some flexibility toward the future, with still having plenty of offense, and oh...some size and rebounding, as well, so...and still leaves us with

Jones (back to playing pg the way he was meant to play it)
Beal (21ppg)
Mathurin (16ppg)
Siakam (20ppg/7reb)
Turner (15ppg/7reb)

and still having the threat of Allen with some scoring from 3, and Royce/Toppin coming in relief, and some development ahead for Mathurin, Jarace Walker, Dunn, and Oso...

So yeah, if you look at that trade in a vacuum, it looks bad, but again, your not looking at the accompanying trade, which gets us back to having our oldest players being Beal and Royce (after dumping Lee) at 31YO, some actual draft picks in the future, and some decent talent to develop already on the roster. And oh yeah, having all of of eggs in the basket of whether BOTH Booker and Durant have a decent game, deciding whether we win or not.


Pacers don't have any 1sts they can trade till 2027. Only seconds. So that's done.

You traded Booker for 3 PFs and 2Cs so none of them can play together at the same time. Then turned around and traded Durant for Siakam. You didn't even manage to get Haliburton for either!! Lol what a disaster.

Forget the fact that we essentially traded rosters with the Pacers-who are barely 4 seeds in the weaker East. You also didn't make them take Nurk who is our worst contract.

Congrats again. If we did this then Dallas and their GM is off the hook for the Luka trade. This would be an even worst monstrosity.


We can only trade 1 player per trade...there aren't enough Pacer players to conduct 3 trades. This would assume a separate trade with a different team to dump Nurkic. The point of this post, was to how to drop Booker and Durant, while bringing in young talent at positions we are consistently bereft in.

And yeah, sure, I could have offered Booker for Haliburton, and another player, but that's not likely a move they would make. But if we want to live in 'pretend world', then sure, let's switch the Booker trade to Haliburton and Jarace Walker. There you go...fixed...

But back to the original trade I listed, we'd dump Jackson, and Jarace is a hybrid 3/4, so it's a bit different than what you are portraying of that trade.

We didn't trade rosters; we traded 2 players for, essentially, 6 of theirs...but yes, we did trade to a team with a solid roster, built both for today, and the future. Funny how you discount the #4 team in the East, like we are some 'amazing' team, struggling at .500 fighting for maybe, a play-in. A team with a supposed 'Big 3'...we sure do look good on paper...woohoo!!


It was a bad trade and is worse than the Luka trade-by a far amount. It would never happen though and isn't worth talking about. No need to keep going back and forth. Terrible trade, try again. No worries, no stress.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV 

Post#110 » by thamadkant » Thu Feb 6, 2025 5:57 pm

Booker becoming Suns all time scoring leader is the perfect milestone for him to end his tenure as a Sun.

Westbrook, CP3, Wade, Durant, LeBron, Davis, Kawhi, Luka, Harden etc. A plethora of elite MVPs or Team MVPs left their original teams. Only some players and under certain circumstances remain on one team till retirement, I don't think that's on the cards for Booker...

He has left his Suns mark... onto the next chapter.

Ishiba cannot be this dumb, or maybe he is.
Booker knows this team is done and it cannot get any better literally because all the Suns assets were maxed out on Durant trade.


Booker should join Pistons, Rockets... help those upcoming teams while he's on his prime.

KD's value will only go down in the off season... unless Thunder or Rockets get bounced first or second round, then I can see both raising their offers for someone like KD.... but right now, KD's value to them is still enticing.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#111 » by thamadkant » Thu Feb 6, 2025 6:04 pm

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Sunsdeuce wrote:I’ve grown to really despise Booker. He makes this team unwatchable. And his attitude just makes me want not care about this team at all!


He and Durant are the problems

Not Beal


Booker should be a Sun for life. I would never trade him but Durant is definitely going to want out this summer after they fielded offers for him from Warriors and Heat. Suns are stuck with Beal.



Booker doesn't have to be Sun for life.

Nash wasn't... Amare wasn't.... Heck Barkley wasn't with 76ers not Suns... other examples of superstars leaving their original teams like Shaq left Magic, heck Durant left Sonics/Thunder, Westbrook, Harden too.

The great Michael Jordan and Wilt played for multiple teams.


Had Booker helped Suns to a dynasty like Curry or Kobe, I can see the argument... but even then MJ had two dynasties and he still retired under a different jersey.


Booker has not done more than Nash, Barkley to warrant a push for him to stay until he retires. Booker also feels that way, so Suns fans in love with him are illogical.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV 

Post#112 » by SideSwipe » Thu Feb 6, 2025 6:05 pm

Anyone interested in swinging for the fences and going after Sabas while Sacramento is retooling? Needs more vetting, but if I were PHX, I would be knocking on this door.

Basics would be as follows

PHX trades: Beal, Dunn, all available picks
PHX receives: Sabas

NOP trades: Zion
NOP received: Isaac, KCP, Dunn, 4 picks

SAC trades: Sabas
SAC receives: Zion, best pick

ORL trades: Isaac, KCP, 2025 #1 pick (lotto protected), 2025 #2
ORL Receives: Beal (waving NTC permanently)

Beal gets a rising playoff team that has a need for backcourt scoring in a warm weather family-friendly city. PHX gets Sabas to hold down the front court with Book and KD. SAC gets a thrilling ride with Levine and Zion as one of the most athletic duos in the league, Pels move on from Zion with a a boatload of picks, and a huge defensive presence between Herb Jones, Jonathan Isaac and Ryan Dunn to pair with Trey Murphy and CJ.

Let's see if we can get it done in an hour.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#113 » by Slim Charless » Thu Feb 6, 2025 6:19 pm

thamadkant wrote:
bullsaficianado wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
He and Durant are the problems

Not Beal


Booker should be a Sun for life. I would never trade him but Durant is definitely going to want out this summer after they fielded offers for him from Warriors and Heat. Suns are stuck with Beal.



Booker doesn't have to be Sun for life.

Nash wasn't... Amare wasn't.... Heck Barkley wasn't with 76ers not Suns... other examples of superstars leaving their original teams like Shaq left Magic, heck Durant left Sonics/Thunder, Westbrook, Harden too.

The great Michael Jordan and Wilt played for multiple teams.


Had Booker helped Suns to a dynasty like Curry or Kobe, I can see the argument... but even then MJ had two dynasties and he still retired under a different jersey.


Booker has not done more than Nash, Barkley to warrant a push for him to stay until he retires. Booker also feels that way, so Suns fans in love with him are illogical.


If Booker can land us Amen or Jdubb + picks in the summer then you do it. Once we trade KD then that seems like a forgone conclusion.

OKC:

Durant

Suns:

Topic
Ousmane Dieng
Hartenstein
2025 Philly 1st
2026 OKC 1st


Then move Booker to Houston for Amen and our picks back. FVV as filler.

FVV/Topic
Amen/Beal
Dunn/Grayson
Dieng
Hartensten/Richards

Plus whoever we take with Philly's pick this year-which should be top 10 minimum.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV 

Post#114 » by King4Day » Thu Feb 6, 2025 6:24 pm

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV 

Post#115 » by Dr Manute » Thu Feb 6, 2025 6:25 pm

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV 

Post#116 » by King4Day » Thu Feb 6, 2025 6:29 pm

Not as bad when looking at it this way:

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV 

Post#117 » by KdoubleDees23 » Thu Feb 6, 2025 6:29 pm

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Told you 1 asset for 2 yesterday!!!! Dang I am good.

Also the last minute rumor I heard is the Hawks called and are thinking Bogdan, Hunter, Okongwu for KD and 1st
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV 

Post#118 » by Slim Charless » Thu Feb 6, 2025 6:29 pm

If Micic can be our PG, that's a good trade. He played well when Melo missed games....
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV 

Post#119 » by Slim Charless » Thu Feb 6, 2025 6:30 pm

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Told you 1 asset for 2 yesterday!!!! Dang I am good.

Also the last minute rumor I heard is the Hawks called and are thinking Bogdan, Hunter, Okongwu for KD and 1st


Tell them to get ****. Why are we giving up 1sts and KD?
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV 

Post#120 » by King4Day » Thu Feb 6, 2025 6:37 pm

We save almost 2.3mil on the deal so it's small, but inches us a bit closer to the 2nd apron.

Both guys we acquired have one year left after this one.

Seems both players are non-guaranteed next season.
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