Official Trade Thread -- Part XL

[gambitx777]

Why? Beal is clearly the number one option russ will be two rui is becoming a solid thrid option maybe even second some day. So we could revive him he would not have a choice, it would be his role. Playing with his boy brad me might be ok with that !

I don't see the Wiz as as a destination for veteran players to suddenly become better and break bad habits.

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[DCZards]

Drummond's declining offensive numbers are a concern and putting him on the court with Westbrook seems like a bad mix, but what Andre does well--rebound and rim protect--is EXACTLY what the Zards desperately need.

If I can get Drummond for cheap on the buyout market, I'd sign him in a NY minute for the remainder of the season if only just to see how it works out.

[nate33]

If I can get Drummond for cheap on the buyout market, I'd sign him in a NY minute for the remainder of the season if only just to see how it works out.

Yeah. If nothing else, signing Drummond and cutting Len seems like a net upgrade to me.

Or better yet, sign Drummond and then see if you can trade away Lopez for a 2nd round pick.

[NatP4]

Sign Yoeli Childs, trade Lopez for a 2nd round pick.

[nate33]

Sign Yoeli Childs, trade Lopez for a 2nd round pick.

I would definitely like to see Childs play.

[payitforward]

If I can get Drummond for cheap on the buyout market, I'd sign him in a NY minute for the remainder of the season if only just to see how it works out.

Yeah. If nothing else, signing Drummond and cutting Len seems like a net upgrade to me.

Or better yet, sign Drummond and then see if you can trade away Lopez for a 2nd round pick.

The 2d option would be great.

Could we even do the first option & stay under the tax? We have to pay Len whether we cut him or not. & the veteran minimum part of what Drummond's owed is on us as well, I believe.

[nate33]

If I can get Drummond for cheap on the buyout market, I'd sign him in a NY minute for the remainder of the season if only just to see how it works out.

Yeah. If nothing else, signing Drummond and cutting Len seems like a net upgrade to me.

Or better yet, sign Drummond and then see if you can trade away Lopez for a 2nd round pick.

The 2d option would be great.

Could we even do the first option & stay under the tax? We have to pay Len whether we cut him or not. & the veteran minimum part of what Drummond's owed is on us as well, I believe.

I think we have just under $1M room under the luxtax. Signing Drummond to a vet minimum deal would cost a prorated $1.6M. For half the season, that's just $0.8M.

[gambitx777]

I really think that drummand imo is a much bigger upgrade over any active center on the team that people think he is.

If bryant was not hurt I'd say yeah not all that needed. But drummand is so much better than len, lopez and mo on D and rebounding it's nuts. Imo anyway.

If I can get Drummond for cheap on the buyout market, I'd sign him in a NY minute for the remainder of the season if only just to see how it works out.

Yeah. If nothing else, signing Drummond and cutting Len seems like a net upgrade to me.

Or better yet, sign Drummond and then see if you can trade away Lopez for a 2nd round pick.

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[Dark Faze]

If we don't land a top 4ish pick then I'm pretty certain the pick will be moved along with filler/Bertans/young asset for a "significant" win now player, maybe someone like Jerami Grant.

[pcbothwel]

If we don't land a top 4ish pick then I'm pretty certain the pick will be moved along with filler/Bertans/young asset for a "significant" win now player, maybe someone like Jerami Grant.

Esshh... Maybe you tuned out after January, but Grant has regressed back to earth after his torrid start.
His last 12 games: 22 & 5 with a TS of 52% and more turnovers than assist. Decent on ball defender with poor awareness/team defense.

Im not sure he is any better than Rui right now.

As far as trades for players with our pick, I would be eyeballing Christian Wood. We can send Bertans and then can send us the Portland 1st back to us (22), or we can get a third team to send them expiring filler and send us a pick for Bertans. Dont care.

Other than that, i dont see any teams that fit the mold of having an asset worthy of our pick that is open to tanking.
- Memphis, Chicago, GSW, Pacers, NOP, NYK, ATL, Hornets, etc. are all in the 12-20 range, but all appear to be attempting to compete.
- Magic & Kings appear to be bad, but they seem to indicate that they have their 'Young Core" they want to move forward with.
- OKC, Cavs & Detroit might be interested, but they have no one outside of SGA that I would even consider trading our pick for.

Knicks might be open to trading their two picks in the late teens to move up for plug and play type (Barnes?), but who knows.
Toronto could try full rebuild and move of OG or Siakim, but thats a tough lift financially for us.

[gambitx777]

I have my doubts about blowing a first on wood. Just have a bad feeling. I like him too but trading for him feels bad and I just think there might be some reason teams keep letting him go .

If we don't land a top 4ish pick then I'm pretty certain the pick will be moved along with filler/Bertans/young asset for a "significant" win now player, maybe someone like Jerami Grant.

Esshh... Maybe you tuned out after January, but Grant has regressed back to earth after his torrid start.
His last 12 games: 22 & 5 with a TS of 52% and more turnovers than assist. Decent on ball defender with poor awareness/team defense.

Im not sure he is any better than Rui right now.

As far as trades for players with our pick, I would be eyeballing Christian Wood. We can send Bertans and then can send us the Portland 1st back to us (22), or we can get a third team to send them expiring filler and send us a pick for Bertans. Dont care.

Other than that, i dont see any teams that fit the mold of having an asset worthy of our pick that is open to tanking.
- Memphis, Chicago, GSW, Pacers, NOP, NYK, ATL, Hornets, etc. are all in the 12-20 range, but all appear to be attempting to compete.
- Magic & Kings appear to be bad, but they seem to indicate that they have their 'Young Core" they want to move forward with.
- OKC, Cavs & Detroit might be interested, but they have no one outside of SGA that I would even consider trading our pick for.

Knicks might be open to trading their two picks in the late teens to move up for plug and play type (Barnes?), but who knows.
Toronto could try full rebuild and move of OG or Siakim, but thats a tough lift financially for us.

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[nate33]

If we don't land a top 4ish pick then I'm pretty certain the pick will be moved along with filler/Bertans/young asset for a "significant" win now player, maybe someone like Jerami Grant.

People have been saying this for 2 years and it hasn't happened. I'm not particularly worried about it.

And if they did trade a lotto pick for someone, it would absolutely be a rim-protecting center. The only real options I see are Wood and Turner, but I seriously doubt either deal would happen.

[NatP4]

If we don't land a top 4ish pick then I'm pretty certain the pick will be moved along with filler/Bertans/young asset for a "significant" win now player, maybe someone like Jerami Grant.

People have been saying this for 2 years and it hasn't happened. I'm not particularly worried about it.

And if they did trade a lotto pick for someone, it would absolutely be a rim-protecting center. The only real options I see are Wood and Turner, but I seriously doubt either deal would happen.

I expect something like the robinson/IT or Bertans trades. Maybe jumping into a 3 team deal to steal a vet or acquire a young player with some potential/2nd round pick. Nothing earth shattering. Sheppard has been pretty savvy with his trades.

No part of me expects the 1st round pick to be moved.

[Ruzious]

If we don't land a top 4ish pick then I'm pretty certain the pick will be moved along with filler/Bertans/young asset for a "significant" win now player, maybe someone like Jerami Grant.

Esshh... Maybe you tuned out after January, but Grant has regressed back to earth after his torrid start.
His last 12 games: 22 & 5 with a TS of 52% and more turnovers than assist. Decent on ball defender with poor awareness/team defense.

Im not sure he is any better than Rui right now.

As far as trades for players with our pick, I would be eyeballing Christian Wood. We can send Bertans and then can send us the Portland 1st back to us (22), or we can get a third team to send them expiring filler and send us a pick for Bertans. Dont care.

Other than that, i dont see any teams that fit the mold of having an asset worthy of our pick that is open to tanking.
- Memphis, Chicago, GSW, Pacers, NOP, NYK, ATL, Hornets, etc. are all in the 12-20 range, but all appear to be attempting to compete.
- Magic & Kings appear to be bad, but they seem to indicate that they have their 'Young Core" they want to move forward with.
- OKC, Cavs & Detroit might be interested, but they have no one outside of SGA that I would even consider trading our pick for.

Knicks might be open to trading their two picks in the late teens to move up for plug and play type (Barnes?), but who knows.
Toronto could try full rebuild and move of OG or Siakim, but thats a tough lift financially for us.

I'm expecting NY to be the team most likely to make a foolish trade to try to help their playoff chances. According to the ESPN Trade Machine, they have a hair over 15 million salary cap room, and Bertans salary is exactly $15 mil, so if we trade them Bertans for one of those picks, ESPN says it works - though RealGM's Trade Checker says it doesn't.

[nate33]

If we don't land a top 4ish pick then I'm pretty certain the pick will be moved along with filler/Bertans/young asset for a "significant" win now player, maybe someone like Jerami Grant.

Esshh... Maybe you tuned out after January, but Grant has regressed back to earth after his torrid start.
His last 12 games: 22 & 5 with a TS of 52% and more turnovers than assist. Decent on ball defender with poor awareness/team defense.

Im not sure he is any better than Rui right now.

As far as trades for players with our pick, I would be eyeballing Christian Wood. We can send Bertans and then can send us the Portland 1st back to us (22), or we can get a third team to send them expiring filler and send us a pick for Bertans. Dont care.

Other than that, i dont see any teams that fit the mold of having an asset worthy of our pick that is open to tanking.
- Memphis, Chicago, GSW, Pacers, NOP, NYK, ATL, Hornets, etc. are all in the 12-20 range, but all appear to be attempting to compete.
- Magic & Kings appear to be bad, but they seem to indicate that they have their 'Young Core" they want to move forward with.
- OKC, Cavs & Detroit might be interested, but they have no one outside of SGA that I would even consider trading our pick for.

Knicks might be open to trading their two picks in the late teens to move up for plug and play type (Barnes?), but who knows.
Toronto could try full rebuild and move of OG or Siakim, but thats a tough lift financially for us.

I'm expecting NY to be the team most likely to make a foolish trade to try to help their playoff chances. According to the ESPN Trade Machine, they have a hair over 15 million salary cap room, and Bertans salary is exactly $15 mil, so if we trade them Bertans for one of those picks, ESPN says it works - though RealGM's Trade Checker says it doesn't.

We can always take back a small vet-minimum type contract if they can't quite fit Bertans into their cap room.

[pcbothwel]

Yup. They should just go all in on picking up our bench parts.
Bertans, Brown, Moe for Frank, Rivers, Mitchell Robinson, Dallas 1st.

We end up with 9M TPE, Mitchell Robinson, pick in the 19-22 range and ~20M in savings next year.

[payitforward]

Yeah. If nothing else, signing Drummond and cutting Len seems like a net upgrade to me.

Or better yet, sign Drummond and then see if you can trade away Lopez for a 2nd round pick.

The 2d option would be great.

Could we even do the first option & stay under the tax? We have to pay Len whether we cut him or not. & the veteran minimum part of what Drummond's owed is on us as well, I believe.

I think we have just under $1M room under the luxtax. Signing Drummond to a vet minimum deal would cost a prorated $1.6M. For half the season, that's just $0.8M.

But, is that how it works? I.e. it's a matter of how much cash went out?

I thought it was the annual salary level of the players on the roster (including salaries like Len's would be, i.e. that you couldn't subtract from the calculation). No doubt I'm wrong about that.

[payitforward]

Yup. They should just go all in on picking up our bench parts.
Bertans, Brown, Moe for Frank, Rivers, Mitchell Robinson, Dallas 1st.

We end up with 9M TPE, Mitchell Robinson, pick in the 19-22 range and ~20M in savings next year.

I don't like the idea of trading Brown, but that would be hard to turn down!

[nate33]

The 2d option would be great.

Could we even do the first option & stay under the tax? We have to pay Len whether we cut him or not. & the veteran minimum part of what Drummond's owed is on us as well, I believe.

I think we have just under $1M room under the luxtax. Signing Drummond to a vet minimum deal would cost a prorated $1.6M. For half the season, that's just $0.8M.

But, is that how it works? I.e. it's a matter of how much cash went out?

I thought it was the annual salary level of the players on the roster (including salaries like Len's would be, i.e. that you couldn't subtract from the calculation). No doubt I'm wrong about that.

No. The annual salary at the end of the year is how you calculate your salary cap number. But your luxtax number is the actual amount of money you paid to your roster.

[nate33]

Yup. They should just go all in on picking up our bench parts.
Bertans, Brown, Moe for Frank, Rivers, Mitchell Robinson, Dallas 1st.

We end up with 9M TPE, Mitchell Robinson, pick in the 19-22 range and ~20M in savings next year.

A side benefit of such a deal is that it would free up room to give Garrison Mathews an NBA contract, which could then be extended. Frankly, I'd do that trade even without the Dallas pick. The Detroit 2nd round pick would be good enough.

And as I mentioned in another trade proposal, the first thing I'd do after this trade would be to try and trade away Robin Lopez for a 2nd round pick. Just roll with Robinson and Len at center to finish out the year.