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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, part 1 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1021 » by Hal14 » Fri Apr 4, 2025 8:09 pm

djFan71 wrote:Yeah, I agree with all of that. I do think you could use him in an Olynyk type role pretty easily, with upside to be a real hub down the road. I think he gives you that ability to throw him out with any other big in double big lineups. He's not going to be the lob/rim runner, and can space the floor and (eventually) run some action as the ballhandler, so playing him with Queta or Luke seems fine. He and Luke would be fun on offense

Yeah, this season at Michigan he played in a double big lineup next to Goldin, who's kind of that Queta/Kornet archetype, the really big but kind of slow guy who scores mostly near the basket, can catch lobs..they (Wolf and Goldin) were very good together on offense.

They had a really good coach who utilized those 2 bigs perfectly to maximize both of their abilities. And a double big lineup with 2 guys who are kind of slow, pretty unathletic with neither being a great shooter or perimeter defender is something that while it worked well in college, I don't know how well that would work in the NBA.

I think Wolf could probably fit pretty well next to KP, with KP's ability to shoot, catch lobs and Wolf being decent at defending out on the perimeter.KP may get traded this summer, though.

Most likely, if we did draft Wolf I figure he'd mostly be a 5, with someone like Tatum at the 4..but who knows what the rest of our roster would look like in 1-3+ yrs from now.

djFan71 wrote:The D is the obvious concern, but I think he moves so well, and is smart enough to hold his own. He's not going to necessarily be a rim deterrent, but he should be OK out there. It would actually be interesting to see the PP, Baylor, Hauser, Wolf, Luke lineup. All guys that kinda survive out there. How would they do all on their own together? The offense could be really fun with the shooting and everyone knowing how to shoot and pass.

This is a good question. The more I think about it, the more I get kind of an uneasy feeling about adding another guy to that bench unit who has suspect athleticism and suspect defense. A bench unit that has 4 or more of Pritchard, Hauser, Kornet, Baylor, Wolf could get murdered defensively. Although we have for the most part done ok with Pritchard/Hauser/Kornet on the floor together..

But to that point, Sam Vecenie was saying on that podcast that he knows Boston wants "someone who can shoot and someone who can defend". So Brad may be looking for someone who can bring more to the table defensively than Wolf does. Maybe Vecenie knows that we already have a lot of these unathletic guys who aren't great defenders on our bench so we might not want to add another.

Someone like Fleming or Yaxel bring more to the table in terms of defense/athleticism..while also bringing some shooting..
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, part 1 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#1022 » by djFan71 » Fri Apr 4, 2025 9:57 pm

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djFan71 wrote:Yeah, I agree with all of that. I do think you could use him in an Olynyk type role pretty easily, with upside to be a real hub down the road. I think he gives you that ability to throw him out with any other big in double big lineups. He's not going to be the lob/rim runner, and can space the floor and (eventually) run some action as the ballhandler, so playing him with Queta or Luke seems fine. He and Luke would be fun on offense

Yeah, this season at Michigan he played in a double big lineup next to Goldin, who's kind of that Queta/Kornet archetype, the really big but kind of slow guy who scores mostly near the basket, can catch lobs..they (Wolf and Goldin) were very good together on offense.

They had a really good coach who utilized those 2 bigs perfectly to maximize both of their abilities. And a double big lineup with 2 guys who are kind of slow, pretty unathletic with neither being a great shooter or perimeter defender is something that while it worked well in college, I don't know how well that would work in the NBA.

I think Wolf could probably fit pretty well next to KP, with KP's ability to shoot, catch lobs and Wolf being decent at defending out on the perimeter.KP may get traded this summer, though.

Most likely, if we did draft Wolf I figure he'd mostly be a 5, with someone like Tatum at the 4..but who knows what the rest of our roster would look like in 1-3+ yrs from now.

djFan71 wrote:The D is the obvious concern, but I think he moves so well, and is smart enough to hold his own. He's not going to necessarily be a rim deterrent, but he should be OK out there. It would actually be interesting to see the PP, Baylor, Hauser, Wolf, Luke lineup. All guys that kinda survive out there. How would they do all on their own together? The offense could be really fun with the shooting and everyone knowing how to shoot and pass.

This is a good question. The more I think about it, the more I get kind of an uneasy feeling about adding another guy to that bench unit who has suspect athleticism and suspect defense. A bench unit that has 4 or more of Pritchard, Hauser, Kornet, Baylor, Wolf could get murdered defensively. Although we have for the most part done ok with Pritchard/Hauser/Kornet on the floor together..

But to that point, Sam Vecenie was saying on that podcast that he knows Boston wants "someone who can shoot and someone who can defend". So Brad may be looking for someone who can bring more to the table defensively than Wolf does. Maybe Vecenie knows that we already have a lot of these unathletic guys who aren't great defenders on our bench so we might not want to add another.

Someone like Fleming or Yaxel bring more to the table in terms of defense/athleticism..while also bringing some shooting..

He's not my first choice or anything, but I was very anti at first. Now I'm al least intrigued and wouldn't hate it if Brad made the pick.

Fleming is my dream that I don't feel happens. Yaxel, Beringer are others I like.
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Post#1023 » by Bill Lumbergh » Fri Apr 4, 2025 11:38 pm

I'm guessing Wolf will be off the board by the time we pick anyway.
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Post#1024 » by 165bows » Sat Apr 5, 2025 12:46 am

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djFan71 wrote:I’m coming back around on Danny Wolf. So skilled,moves really well. Seems decent on D even. I’m probably a little late and he’ll be gone before 28, but I’d be happy with him as the pick. I could easily see him playing double big with any of our other guys.

The guys blog (ok substack) above has an interesting post on Wolf. He rates him higher than a lot of the other long form prospect write ups on the site but then the whole tone is kind of negative about him.

Kind of sums up what I was expressing above about the draft - in Wolf we finally have a guy that fits the modern nba as a versatile skilled big but then all these areas of needed development crop up. Ie he’s a skilled offensive big that is hugely turnover prone and isn’t efficient as a scorer at all as an upper class man.

Eg with Scheierman we were all hoping he could develop enough so that he could replicate his college production in the pro setting. Wolf he’s got a lot of development to do period he can’t do what he’s doing in college imo and make it work in the pros outside a Chicago bulls type team.

I think the turnovers / efficiency improve fairly easily in the right pro environment. Most of the turnovers seem to be of the trying to do to much variety. The efficiency, IDK, I think the shot looks really nice. It doesn't go in quite the rate you want. But he still hits 1/3 of them on 3 a game from a big. I think you focus him on the simple stuff and build out from there. He's not going to be the hub of the offense in the NBA - unless/until he earns it. His role / shot profile (on the Cs at least) should make him more efficient by default.

I haven't read Demir's article on him, but my avc youtube guy did one on him the other day. He's not normally a gusher, but he gushed quite a bit. https://www.youtube.com/@_AVC_/videos

Yeah..and plus there's upside. A guy who's about 6'11" who can handle the ball, drive, has some spin moves and other moves he does when driving and posting up, can shoot the 3 and pass. Cerebral player. There's upside to be like a Jokic-lite type of guy or even a Sabonis/Sengun-lite type which would basically be Olynyk.

His median outcome could be like Olynyk but I think he's got a chance to be better.

And we do have good development staff here.

I feel like he's probably gonna go higher than pick 28. But I wouldn't hate it if we took him there. I've had him in like the 18-24 range for awhile now on my board.

Yeah, I agree with all of that. I do think you could use him in an Olynyk type role pretty easily, with upside to be a real hub down the road. I think he gives you that ability to throw him out with any other big in double big lineups. He's not going to be the lob/rim runner, and can space the floor and (eventually) run some action as the ballhandler, so playing him with Queta or Luke seems fine. He and Luke would be fun on offense.

The D is the obvious concern, but I think he moves so well, and is smart enough to hold his own. He's not going to necessarily be a rim deterrent, but he should be OK out there. It would actually be interesting to see the PP, Baylor, Hauser, Wolf, Luke lineup. All guys that kinda survive out there. How would they do all on their own together? The offense could be really fun with the shooting and everyone knowing how to shoot and pass.

KO was similarly turnover prone and did stay that way somewhat as a pro but he was also in a different universe scoring efficiency wise than Wolf.

Wolf oddly or just under the radar has been way more productive on the glass.

So I’m just like ok a poor man’s Olynyk.
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Post#1025 » by djFan71 » Sat Apr 5, 2025 3:44 am

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djFan71 wrote:
165bows wrote:The guys blog (ok substack) above has an interesting post on Wolf. He rates him higher than a lot of the other long form prospect write ups on the site but then the whole tone is kind of negative about him.

Kind of sums up what I was expressing above about the draft - in Wolf we finally have a guy that fits the modern nba as a versatile skilled big but then all these areas of needed development crop up. Ie he’s a skilled offensive big that is hugely turnover prone and isn’t efficient as a scorer at all as an upper class man.

Eg with Scheierman we were all hoping he could develop enough so that he could replicate his college production in the pro setting. Wolf he’s got a lot of development to do period he can’t do what he’s doing in college imo and make it work in the pros outside a Chicago bulls type team.

I think the turnovers / efficiency improve fairly easily in the right pro environment. Most of the turnovers seem to be of the trying to do to much variety. The efficiency, IDK, I think the shot looks really nice. It doesn't go in quite the rate you want. But he still hits 1/3 of them on 3 a game from a big. I think you focus him on the simple stuff and build out from there. He's not going to be the hub of the offense in the NBA - unless/until he earns it. His role / shot profile (on the Cs at least) should make him more efficient by default.

I haven't read Demir's article on him, but my avc youtube guy did one on him the other day. He's not normally a gusher, but he gushed quite a bit. https://www.youtube.com/@_AVC_/videos

Yeah..and plus there's upside. A guy who's about 6'11" who can handle the ball, drive, has some spin moves and other moves he does when driving and posting up, can shoot the 3 and pass. Cerebral player. There's upside to be like a Jokic-lite type of guy or even a Sabonis/Sengun-lite type which would basically be Olynyk.

His median outcome could be like Olynyk but I think he's got a chance to be better.

And we do have good development staff here.

I feel like he's probably gonna go higher than pick 28. But I wouldn't hate it if we took him there. I've had him in like the 18-24 range for awhile now on my board.

Yeah, I agree with all of that. I do think you could use him in an Olynyk type role pretty easily, with upside to be a real hub down the road. I think he gives you that ability to throw him out with any other big in double big lineups. He's not going to be the lob/rim runner, and can space the floor and (eventually) run some action as the ballhandler, so playing him with Queta or Luke seems fine. He and Luke would be fun on offense.

The D is the obvious concern, but I think he moves so well, and is smart enough to hold his own. He's not going to necessarily be a rim deterrent, but he should be OK out there. It would actually be interesting to see the PP, Baylor, Hauser, Wolf, Luke lineup. All guys that kinda survive out there. How would they do all on their own together? The offense could be really fun with the shooting and everyone knowing how to shoot and pass.

KO was similarly turnover prone and did stay that way somewhat as a pro but he was also in a different universe scoring efficiency wise than Wolf.

Wolf oddly or just under the radar has been way more productive on the glass.

So I’m just like ok a poor man’s Olynyk.

I feel like upper middle class, but I’m sure not passing on Giannis for him.
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Post#1026 » by Bill Lumbergh » Sat Apr 5, 2025 11:42 pm

Clayton is really good. Entertaining game between Auburn and Florida.

I don't care if we need another PG or not. I want Clayton.
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Post#1027 » by redslastlaugh » Sun Apr 6, 2025 12:52 am

People on nba_draft reddit are like, "wait, why arent we higher on Walter Clayton?" lol ... dude raised his stock!

I'm interested to see Cooper Flagg against JoJo Tugler, whose been called the best wing defender in college bball
Bill Lumbergh wrote:Clayton is really good. Entertaining game between Auburn and Florida.

I don't care if we need another PG or not. I want Clayton.
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Post#1028 » by djFan71 » Sun Apr 6, 2025 1:09 am

redslastlaugh wrote:People on nba_draft reddit are like, "wait, why arent we higher on Walter Clayton?" lol ... dude raised his stock!

I'm interested to see Cooper Flagg against JoJo Tugler, whose been called the best wing defender in college bball
Bill Lumbergh wrote:Clayton is really good. Entertaining game between Auburn and Florida.

I don't care if we need another PG or not. I want Clayton.

I'm doing my best not to fall for JoJo, lol. That D and wingspan always gets me. (Hello, Jordan!)
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Post#1029 » by playa-hater » Sun Apr 6, 2025 2:37 am

Bill Lumbergh wrote:Clayton is really good. Entertaining game between Auburn and Florida.

I don't care if we need another PG or not. I want Clayton.


You beat me to it Clayton is an absolute perfect Celtic in my opinion I feel he is a more athletic D White Josh Hart hybrid.

And since I'm always requesting Boston to take their 2 draft picks and trade up I would easily trade up for him. He can replace Jrue in our lineup and save us a ton of money.
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Post#1030 » by brackdan70 » Sun Apr 6, 2025 3:48 am

Bill Lumbergh wrote:Clayton is really good. Entertaining game between Auburn and Florida.

I don't care if we need another PG or not. I want Clayton.

I think he is a really great college guy that won’t do much in the pros. Could be a heater if the bench maybe. Poor mans PP.
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Post#1031 » by brackdan70 » Sun Apr 6, 2025 3:49 am

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Bill Lumbergh wrote:Clayton is really good. Entertaining game between Auburn and Florida.

I don't care if we need another PG or not. I want Clayton.


You beat me to it Clayton is an absolute perfect Celtic in my opinion I feel he is a more athletic D White Josh Hart hybrid.

And since I'm always requesting Boston to take their 2 draft picks and trade up I would easily trade up for him. He can replace Jrue in our lineup and save us a ton of money.

T. rex arms though. I think he is too small.
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Post#1032 » by playa-hater » Sun Apr 6, 2025 3:55 am

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Bill Lumbergh wrote:Clayton is really good. Entertaining game between Auburn and Florida.

I don't care if we need another PG or not. I want Clayton.


You beat me to it Clayton is an absolute perfect Celtic in my opinion I feel he is a more athletic D White Josh Hart hybrid.

And since I'm always requesting Boston to take their 2 draft picks and trade up I would easily trade up for him. He can replace Jrue in our lineup and save us a ton of money.

T. rex arms though. I think he is too small.


Jalen brunson is probably five eleven and a half with very short arms.. And he went thirty first pick. Not saying clayton will be anywhere close to that level, but the size and length of a person's arms is so overrated in my opinion.
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Post#1033 » by Bill Lumbergh » Sun Apr 6, 2025 3:56 am

What an epic choke by Duke. Proctor flat out sucked. Awful loss.
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Post#1034 » by redslastlaugh » Sun Apr 6, 2025 4:00 am

Bill Lumbergh wrote:What an epic choke by Duke. Proctor flat out sucked. Awful loss.

Yea but from the Houston side, they played some tenacious D. Great comeback and just a fun, exciting finish
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Post#1035 » by brackdan70 » Sun Apr 6, 2025 4:00 am

playa-hater wrote:
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You beat me to it Clayton is an absolute perfect Celtic in my opinion I feel he is a more athletic D White Josh Hart hybrid.

And since I'm always requesting Boston to take their 2 draft picks and trade up I would easily trade up for him. He can replace Jrue in our lineup and save us a ton of money.

T. rex arms though. I think he is too small.


Jalen brunson is probably five eleven and a half with very short arms.. And he went thirty first pick. Not saying clayton will be anywhere close to that level, but the size and length of a person's arms is so overrated in my opinion.

Yeah for sure but I don’t know that he’s that good to make up for it. Bunch of other guys I’d rather draft.
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Post#1036 » by Dogen » Sun Apr 6, 2025 4:00 am

Tugler with an amazing redemption arc in the final minute.
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Post#1037 » by brackdan70 » Sun Apr 6, 2025 4:01 am

Bill Lumbergh wrote:What an epic choke by Duke. Proctor flat out sucked. Awful loss.

Flagg probably drops to 28 after missing the potential game winner though.
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Post#1038 » by threrf23 » Sun Apr 6, 2025 4:03 am

Bill Lumbergh wrote:What an epic choke by Duke. Proctor flat out sucked. Awful loss.


Proctor should have been benched.

They also had Sion inbounding the ball in clutch moments, even though he probably had a concussion.
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Post#1039 » by threrf23 » Sun Apr 6, 2025 4:08 am

I'm a fan of Clayton. Passes the eye test easy. Everything he's been doing should translate. He's got "it."

He's a senior but his overall numbers/production has been highly consistent over the past three seasons...point #1 being, he has already been doing this, point #2 being that year to year consistency can be a good indicator of professionalism.
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Post#1040 » by Bill Lumbergh » Sun Apr 6, 2025 4:18 am

redslastlaugh wrote:
Bill Lumbergh wrote:What an epic choke by Duke. Proctor flat out sucked. Awful loss.

Yea but from the Houston side, they played some tenacious D. Great comeback and just a fun, exciting finish

Yeah, Houston played with poise down the stretch, but to me, it was way more about Duke tightening up and choking it away.

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