OT - Derrick Rose's high school grades altered

[TB#1]

The only word out of his camp was a statement by attorney Daniel E. Reidy, who said Rose cooperated in an investigation by Memphis that uncovered "no wrongdoing on his part."

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/05/30/rose ... index.html

From the above article:

"He was a smart student since he's been in grammar school," Danyell Freeman said. "I don't think he needs [anybody] to take tests for him. He's been getting good grades. He's always been smart in school so why would he need somebody to take the SAT for him?"

Added Keke Shelby, who has known Rose as long as she can remember: "They want to see him back out here, doing nothing, but he was always a smart student so why try to take that away from him?"

These comments from his friends are interesting. If it is true that he got "good grades" and also true that someone took the SAT for him, whoever sat apparently wasn't sharp enough to get the 800 to 850-ish combined score needed to match his GPA on the sliding scale. (NCAA eligibility requirements linked on the bottom of the last page). Geesh, if you are going to get a ringer at least get a sharp ringer.

As to the "no wrongdoing" quote...yeah. Derrick's lawyer's public statement. THAT puts everything to rest, for sure.

I'm still waiting to hear more about the alleged illicit payoffs to Brother Reggie.

[theagent]

TB: Of course his lawyer is gonna give a lawyer answer. Plus how credible is an "investigation" by Memphis???

The comments by his friends are bs because you have to question their definition or interpretation of what is "smart"? Hate to say it but some of those CPS schools may have a top student but put that same student in a place like Payton, Northside Prep or one of the top 10 hs in Chicago and they might have some problems.

DRose's brother might want to get ready and carry all the weight for this because their gonna dig and find a bunch of stuff.

[JordansBulls]

Jesus Christ, how dumb IS this kid?

Well KG got a 15 on ACT test that is why he went pro because he couldn't get into a well known college with that score.

[BrooklynBulls]

Jesus Christ, how dumb IS this kid?

Well KG got a 15 on ACT test that is why he went pro because he couldn't get into a well known college with that score.

I already know exactly how dumb KG is. He's a smart basketball player, a stupid...everything else. Let's hope Rose is the same. Or...let's just have him be smart everywhere, and hope the grades were a result of his intelligence not being challenged in school.

[MAQ]

I wonder what took the NCAA so long to find out that he was cheating . They really can not do to him now .

well i am of the belief that the NCAA knew all along if it really did happen...and they had on intentions whatsoever of doing anything about it as long as derrick was a player of the NCAA

[lou4gehrig]

I think anyone passing judgment on Rose's level of intelligence on this board should qualify their statements with their own SAT / ACT scores, education level and job, so we can all better gauge the value of said opinion.

Anybody equating SAT / ACT scores to actual intelligence in an ignorant simpleton, IMO There are a lot of of socioeconomic criteria involved in how prepared anybody is for standardized testing. A lot of those factors (schools, teachers, parents) are out of child's control until they reach a certain age.

I think a prime example of this is Magic Johnson, whom a lot of people isn't too bright based on how he interviews and speaks. Yet, the guy is CEO of a $700M+ company.

[lou4gehrig]

Disappointing, yes. Forgivable? Of course.

During the playoffs, after a Derrick interview I would think.....'wow, he really doesn't seem that bright...at all'..

That's exactly what I think to myself when I read 99% of what's posted on RealGM honestly.

[jax98]

Disappointing, yes. Forgivable? Of course.

During the playoffs, after a Derrick interview I would think.....'wow, he really doesn't seem that bright...at all'..

That's exactly what I think to myself when I read 99% of what's posted on RealGM honestly.

So you stick around for that exclusive 1%, I assume?

[TB#1]

TB: Of course his lawyer is gonna give a lawyer answer. Plus how credible is an "investigation" by Memphis???

Seriously...was that sarcasm so subtle that it required green font? Come on, man. Get with the program.

[TB#1]

I think anyone passing judgment on Rose's level of intelligence on this board should qualify their statements with their own SAT / ACT scores, education level and job, so we can all better gauge the value of said opinion.

Not the point, even remotely. This is about Rose's inability to meet even the significantly lowered standards for NCAA college admission qualification. I went to college to get a college degree and to qualify for law school. Derrick didn't. He went to play ball. But if you are going to make a kid go to college before becoming eligible to play at the highest level professionally, there should be a point, and that point should be a requirement of an enforceable expectation of some academic success in high school and enough retention of that success to have some middling success on standardized tests. But its all smoke and mirrors.

Anybody equating SAT / ACT scores to actual intelligence in an ignorant simpleton, IMO There are a lot of of socioeconomic criteria involved in how prepared anybody is for standardized testing. A lot of those factors (schools, teachers, parents) are out of child's control until they reach a certain age.

Test scores measure what they measure. I know good test takers who never amounted to much and high school dropouts who succeeded in business. I also know many, many socioeconomic victims who rose above it, fared well in school and succeeded. Again, doesn't matter. As I mentioned above, for all the talk of Rose's close support group that kept him out of trouble and kept his focus on basketball, apparently nobody paid any attention to ensuring his academic eligibility.

I think a prime example of this is Magic Johnson, whom a lot of people isn't too bright based on how he interviews and speaks. Yet, the guy is CEO of a $700M+ company.

Magic is a smart guy, but he did come across as a dim bulb because of his lack of command of the English language. I've noticed this season that Johnson must have spent a good deal of time with speech coaches -- the kind of coaches that teach newscasters to speak with a region-neutral accent. The improvement of his speech is almost immeasurable.




NOTE: I originally posted my education, scores, licenses and jobs as requested, but deleted the same. No sense in starting an "unzip and measure the big boys" war. Again, its not the point.

[Wingy]

Disappointing, yes. Forgivable? Of course.

During the playoffs, after a Derrick interview I would think.....'wow, he really doesn't seem that bright...at all'..

That's exactly what I think to myself when I read 99% of what's posted on RealGM honestly.

So, does it make it untrue? Derrick is one of the worst interviewers I've ever seen in over 20+ years of watching the NBA. These stories about Memphis and H.S. seem to backup what everyone sees on the surface after DRose speaks publicly. We can point that out and it's not some sort of final judgment saying he's a bad human being for not excelling in academia, or some definitive statement that he doesn't have any other non-basketball related gifts.

We'll never know about the situation as a whole. I'm not going to indict the kid over his academic intelligence....as you mentioned above, there are lot of factors involved in that and you cut out the part of my original post (that appears directly after the piece you quoted) stating that the classroom is but a single measure of a person's ability. Rose has displayed plenty of other forms of intelligence by the grace and humility he handles himself with while being thrust into the spotlight at such a young age.

He is worshiped on this board. It's ok to look at his faults as well. It's ok to point out that he's not Shane Battier in the classroom. He has plenty of other good things going for himself.

[TechMansoor]

Disappointing, yes. Forgivable? Of course.

During the playoffs, after a Derrick interview I would think.....'wow, he really doesn't seem that bright...at all'..

That's exactly what I think to myself when I read 99% of what's posted on RealGM honestly.

So, does it make it untrue? Derrick is one of the worst interviewers I've ever seen in over 20+ years of watching the NBA. These stories about Memphis and H.S. seem to backup what everyone sees on the surface after DRose speaks publicly. We can point that out and it's not some sort of final judgment saying he's a bad human being for not excelling in academia, or some definitive statement that he doesn't have any other non-basketball related gifts.

We'll never know about the situation as a whole. I'm not going to indict the kid over his academic intelligence....as you mentioned above, there are lot of factors involved in that and you cut out the part of my original post (that appears directly after the piece you quoted) stating that the classroom is but a single measure of a person's ability. Rose has displayed plenty of other forms of intelligence by the grace and humility he handles himself with while being thrust into the spotlight at such a young age.

He is worshiped on this board. It's ok to look at his faults as well. It's ok to point out that he's not Shane Battier in the classroom. He has plenty of other good things going for himself.

One of the best most honest and sincere posts I've ever read....

[Angry Jimmy]

Does cheating on a test or getting bad grades automatically mean you're stupid? No, it doesn't.

However, it does reflect very poorly one's character.

To me, this is more of an integrity issue over an intelligence one.

Maybe that means more to me than others on this board though.


Let me ask this...

If the report was "Michael Beasley had his grades doctored and had someone take the SAT for him" would the responses in this thread be the same?

I highly doubt it.

[rose2tyrus]

I'm sick and tired of these morons saying he is a fraud for the Chicago Bulls and that he should be kicked out of the league.

**** is getting ridiculous

[MAQ]

I'm sick and tired of these morons saying he is a fraud for the Chicago Bulls and that he should be kicked out of the league.

**** is getting ridiculous

but, who's said that?

[TB#1]

Full Article

Derrick Rose is a hell of a basketball player.

Over the past four years he’s won two high school state championships, reached the NCAA title game and was named NBA rookie of the year.

Derrick Rose is, by all accounts, a good person.

He’s never gotten into any serious trouble and is known as a quiet, hardworking and unassuming guy. His teammates swear by him and the fans who know him best, in his hometown of Chicago, have flocked to him for the way he’s carried himself on and off the court.

Derrick Rose is the American dream.

Rising from humble South Side roots, at age 20 he’s already a self-made millionaire with the Bulls. Barring injury he should make more than $100 million by the time he’s 35. He’s building a reputation for charity back in his neighborhood.

Derrick Rose isn’t much of a student.

This is what the NCAA alleges. It claims he had someone stand in for him on his SAT because he couldn’t manage to make the relatively meager score he needed to play college ball at Memphis (his qualifying test was a “740 or 750,” according to a source with knowledge of the situation). Then, as the Chicago Sun-Times reported, one of his high school grades was changed from a “D” to a “C” in order to help his college eligibility chances.

For the record, Rose denied all of this to the NCAA although he hasn’t spoken publicly since the allegations broke last week.

The fact we know his score, the fact that Rose is dealing with embarrassing questions, the fact that the NBA has another young star wrapped in scandal and two universities are fretting about Saturday’s NCAA infractions hearing, is the latest testament to the NBA’s wrong and ridiculous 19-year-old age limit.

This isn’t to absolve the people involved, but the question shouldn’t just be did Derrick Rose cheat on his SAT?

It should be why the heck did he have to take it in the first place?

If Rose sang or danced or wrote computer code, even if he hit forehands or curveballs and not free throws, his acumen at standardized questions concerning probability, diction and critical reading wouldn’t matter.

They do in basketball because NBA commissioner David Stern wanted to control long-term labor costs and use college ball to market his young stars. In 2005, his league began requiring American players (but not Europeans) to be at least one year out of high school to be drafted.

That essentially sends them to college ball, where outdated and hypocritical amateurism and academic rules exist not because they have any moral basis, but so the NCAA can avoid billions in local and federal taxes.

As a result, young players have to play pretend before they can play ball. They have to pretend that amateurism rules can stop the wheels of capitalism. They have to pretend that an arbitrary thing like a minimum SAT score – which is never how the test was designed to be used – is a fair hurdle they need to clear to pursue their professional aspirations.

They have to pretend because the NCAA long ago figured out how to use its rule book as a tax haven.

Interestingly, if it is true that he needed a 740-750, that means his GPA was 2.675.

[MAQ]

Interestingly, if it is true that he needed a 740-750, that means his GPA was 2.675.

called it...

but is that his altered gpa?

[rose2tyrus]

I'm sick and tired of these morons saying he is a fraud for the Chicago Bulls and that he should be kicked out of the league.

**** is getting ridiculous

but, who's said that?

the clowns off the message boards and chicago sports radio...

[TB#1]

Interestingly, if it is true that he needed a 740-750, that means his GPA was 2.675.

called it...

but is that his altered gpa?

That's not really clear -- but you aren't going to get a whole lot of movement by changing one grade by one letter grade on a four year transcript, so either way, we're still pretty close in the same ballpark.

[Sever82]

I'm sick and tired of these morons saying he is a fraud for the Chicago Bulls and that he should be kicked out of the league.

**** is getting ridiculous

but, who's said that?

the clowns off the message boards and chicago sports radio...

Naw i wouldn't go that far. I mean i dont listen to 670 score cause i feel most of those guys are morons. But on ESPN 1000 on the afternoon saloon, Yurko was basically saying to give the guy a break and harry was saying the same thing. The everyone has done something dumb when they were in high school. I wouldn't say Rose is dumb or anything, just disinterested. I mean if you have a kid who's a Mathematical genius but is flunking english, would you say he's dumb or just disinterested in the subject? Rose knows and knew his calling was basketball, grant it its not an excuse since there are players that did well academically despite being physicall gifted but i'm still sure playing ball was a distraction to him, not to mention the environment he grew up in. If Rose grew up going to one of the suburban schools, i'm pretty sure his GPA would be higher and this wouldn't be an issue but the level and quality of education at some schools in chicago is very poor.

I just feel this is a non issue just like the whole OJ mayo thing. I mean oh well who cares, I'm pretty sure Rose isn't the only athlete to cheat academically.