Ben Simmons Trade Thread

[Eyeamok]

You had me until Porzingis man. Abhorrent player.

Remember that one time when he would not workout for us. The NBA is crazy one season you are up the next you are abhorrent.

[jbent87]

The most promising scenario for us is a 3 team deal for Dame:

GS out : Wiseman, picks
GS in: Simmons

PHI out: Simmons, Maxey, picks
PHI in: Lillard

POR out: Lillard
POR in: Wiseman, Maxey, multiple picks

Out best chance to get a superstar is Dame wanting out and make a 3 team deal of this nature. If Dame wants out Portland is probably rebuilding, they gonna ask for young prospects and picks.

Hate to give-up Maxey, but if thats what it takes then I’ll do it.

I like the idea of starting both Maxey and Dame. Then have Seth and Shake or some guard who’s better off the bench.

who's defending opposing teams guards on this team?

[jbent87]

You had me until Porzingis man. Abhorrent player.

Remember that one time when he would not workout for us. The NBA is crazy one season you are up the next you are abhorrent.

in Porzingis defense, Luka hated his guts. There is a highlight reel video out there of many instances of KP being wide open and Luka just dribbling into doubles or forcing shots himself instead of passing to KP Not totally exonerating him.. but a change of scenery where he can more so be the actual Robin on a team with a pass first PG would help bring his value back up a little, I think.

[eyeatoma]

Ummmm... This is better than CJ, I'd do this...

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[eyeatoma]

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[Arsenal]

No chance in hell I take Brogdon and a likely low 1st for Ben. If that's the best offer just hold onto him. We need to get either a superstar, or someone who could develop into a superstar in the deal. That's not Malcolm Brogdon.

Hopefully these rumors of being sent to NBA Siberia light a fire under his @ss to finally improve.

[zaz102]

No chance in hell I take Brogdon and a likely low 1st for Ben. If that's the best offer just hold onto him. We need to get either a superstar, or someone who could develop into a superstar in the deal. That's not Malcolm Brogdon.

Hopefully these rumors of being sent to NBA Siberia light a fire under his @ss to finally improve.

Don't count on it. Even if he wants to improve, he has like 3 months to potentially overhaul his form, unlearn bad muscle memory/habits, and build confidence in a his new shot/form. Obviously, this process should've started years ago. Next best time is now, but even if he does, it's a tall order.

That being said, definitely agree as long as they have Embiid in his prime, they should be looking to find someone to upgrade and that's not Brogdon. It's a good starting point I guess though.

Also, there's a hope that if he has a little bit of improvement at the beginning of the season, that teams could have some confidence to develop his offensive game and his trade value would probably go up a decent amount.

[Arsenal]

No chance in hell I take Brogdon and a likely low 1st for Ben. If that's the best offer just hold onto him. We need to get either a superstar, or someone who could develop into a superstar in the deal. That's not Malcolm Brogdon.

Hopefully these rumors of being sent to NBA Siberia light a fire under his @ss to finally improve.

Don't count on it. Even if he wants to improve, he has like 3 months to potentially overhaul his form, unlearn bad muscle memory/habits, and build confidence in a his new shot/form. Obviously, this process should've started years ago. Next best time is now, but even if he does, it's a tall order.

That being said, definitely agree as long as they have Embiid in his prime, they should be looking to find someone to upgrade and that's not Brogdon. It's a good starting point I guess though.

Also, there's a hope that if he has a little bit of improvement at the beginning of the season, that teams could have some confidence to develop his offensive game and his trade value would probably go up a decent amount.

Not counting on anything re: Ben. Just not willing to take back a nice player who will never sniff stardom as the return.

[76ciology]

The most promising scenario for us is a 3 team deal for Dame:

GS out : Wiseman, picks
GS in: Simmons

PHI out: Simmons, Maxey, picks
PHI in: Lillard

POR out: Lillard
POR in: Wiseman, Maxey, multiple picks

Out best chance to get a superstar is Dame wanting out and make a 3 team deal of this nature. If Dame wants out Portland is probably rebuilding, they gonna ask for young prospects and picks.

Hate to give-up Maxey, but if thats what it takes then I’ll do it.

I like the idea of starting both Maxey and Dame. Then have Seth and Shake or some guard who’s better off the bench.

who's defending opposing teams guards on this team?

Back in 2018, I told people on gen board how teams should pass up Trae because he won’t be playable in the playoffs. That was after how I witness defense attacked JJ repeatedly.

Then one guy replied something that sticks with me till now.. “the question is not how trae will defend them. The question is how will they defend trae.”

Focus on defense, you lose.

If Kyrie will attack Seth on ISO.. be my guest. Its not as bad as Kyrie running a pick and roll, wiping Ben off the screen and getting a wide open jumper in the mid range.

In 2021, you beat offense with more offense. And until we will have that mindset, we will just get kicked out from the playoffs year after year I guarantee you.

And until your center keep conserving his energy for offense and dont come out and defend the pick and roll, you won’t be able to play good defense even if you got guys like Ben or Thybulle defending

[phillynative]

Would trade tobias for brogdon not ben

[76ciology]

Pacers should offer their 13th pick, Sabonis and Brogdon for Ben and Tobi. Im not saying we’ll take it. But that should be the starting point if they’re serious.

[eyeatoma]

No chance in hell I take Brogdon and a likely low 1st for Ben. If that's the best offer just hold onto him. We need to get either a superstar, or someone who could develop into a superstar in the deal. That's not Malcolm Brogdon.

Hopefully these rumors of being sent to NBA Siberia light a fire under his @ss to finally improve.

Don't count on it. Even if he wants to improve, he has like 3 months to potentially overhaul his form, unlearn bad muscle memory/habits, and build confidence in a his new shot/form. Obviously, this process should've started years ago. Next best time is now, but even if he does, it's a tall order.

That being said, definitely agree as long as they have Embiid in his prime, they should be looking to find someone to upgrade and that's not Brogdon. It's a good starting point I guess though.

Also, there's a hope that if he has a little bit of improvement at the beginning of the season, that teams could have some confidence to develop his offensive game and his trade value would probably go up a decent amount.

On the flip side what happens on the first game when they hack him and he misses the shots, then has a horrible game? We won't even be able to get Brogdon then. He needs to go this summer for the best package, because his value can definitely decrease.

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[Mik317]

again Sabonis and Embiid is a terrible fit

why do you keep mentioning it? Sabonis and Turner also sucks but Turner is at least willing to just spot up all day....Embiid much less so.

[FireMorey]

Jason Dumas is fake news.

[eyeatoma]

Jason Dumas is fake news.

Why do you think so?

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[51X3RF4N]

No chance in hell I take Brogdon and a likely low 1st for Ben. If that's the best offer just hold onto him. We need to get either a superstar, or someone who could develop into a superstar in the deal. That's not Malcolm Brogdon.

Hopefully these rumors of being sent to NBA Siberia light a fire under his @ss to finally improve.

Although, #13 and Malcolm Brogdon as a starting point is interesting. Loop in a 3rd team where Indy sends out Sabonis and that 3rd team sends Philly a starting wing and another pick, and we are getting much closer.

I don't agree that you have to get an all star back in a trade for Simmons. You just need valuable assets that can be flipped easily for a star.

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[eyeatoma]

No chance in hell I take Brogdon and a likely low 1st for Ben. If that's the best offer just hold onto him. We need to get either a superstar, or someone who could develop into a superstar in the deal. That's not Malcolm Brogdon.

Hopefully these rumors of being sent to NBA Siberia light a fire under his @ss to finally improve.

Although, #13 and Malcolm Brogdon as a starting point is interesting. Loop in a 3rd team where Indy sends out Sabonis and that 3rd team sends Philly a starting wing and another pick, and we are getting much closer.

I don't agree that you have to get an all star back in a trade for Simmons. You just need valuable assets that can be flipped easily for a star.

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Yeah agreed there.

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[76ciology]

again Sabonis and Embiid is a terrible fit

why do you keep mentioning it? Sabonis and Turner also sucks but Turner is at least willing to just spot up all day....Embiid much less so.

Umm.. because i can trade Sabonis in a further deal?

[51X3RF4N]

No chance in hell I take Brogdon and a likely low 1st for Ben. If that's the best offer just hold onto him. We need to get either a superstar, or someone who could develop into a superstar in the deal. That's not Malcolm Brogdon.

Hopefully these rumors of being sent to NBA Siberia light a fire under his @ss to finally improve.

Although, #13 and Malcolm Brogdon as a starting point is interesting. Loop in a 3rd team where Indy sends out Sabonis and that 3rd team sends Philly a starting wing and another pick, and we are getting much closer.

I don't agree that you have to get an all star back in a trade for Simmons. You just need valuable assets that can be flipped easily for a star.

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Yeah agreed there.

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Maybe something like...

PHI in: Brodgon, #13, #12, White
PHI out: Simmons, #28

Indy in: Simmons, Poetl
Indy out: Sabonis, Brogdon, #13

SA in: Sabonis, #28
SA out: White, Poetl, #12

San Antonio builds around Murray/Walker/Vassell/Sabonis. Better overall fit.

Indy gets Simmons paired with Warren/LaVert/Turner and gets a backup C.

Philly gets 2 ball handlers who can hit 3s and defend interchangeably. Also grab 2 picks in a row to either trade, or draft guys Morey likes.

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[eyeatoma]

Although, #13 and Malcolm Brogdon as a starting point is interesting. Loop in a 3rd team where Indy sends out Sabonis and that 3rd team sends Philly a starting wing and another pick, and we are getting much closer.

I don't agree that you have to get an all star back in a trade for Simmons. You just need valuable assets that can be flipped easily for a star.

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Yeah agreed there.

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Maybe something like...

PHI in: Brodgon, #13, #12, White
PHI out: Simmons, #28

Indy in: Simmons, Poetl
Indy out: Sabonis, Brogdon, #13

SA in: Sabonis, #28
SA out: White, Poetl, #12

San Antonio builds around Murray/Walker/Vassell/Sabonis. Better overall fit.

Indy gets Simmons paired with Warren/LaVert/Turner and gets a backup C.

Philly gets 2 ball handlers who can hit 3s and defend interchangeably. Also grab 2 picks in a row to either trade, or draft guys Morey likes.

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Morey might have to get creative with something like this.

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